The mechanics of enlightenment

[Cheese Consumer]

Hi everyone,

I recently joined your group for a looksee because I'm working with somebody who is part way through the process to achieve enlightenment, although that is a long way from her original intention.

About me: I work as a process/industrial/mechatronics engineer and enjoy solving curly problems and developing robust control systems. I also like fiddling about with 1950s British sports cars.

So the story: I met somebody almost 12 years ago and over several years developed a little procedure for resolving childhood trauma which was messing up things a little back then. After thousand of hours intensive work just iterating this simple process over and over again we have removed the vast majority of trauma, with work ongoing every day to complete the project. A few years into the project we began discovering an internal entity that referred to itself as The Higher Mind. It would appear after major realizations and emotional releases, and I could have conversations with it often for an hour. It supplied a lot of new information that neither of us were aware of about why we are here and where this project is going. Not all of it seems entirely believable but I'm open to giving it the benefit of the doubt at this stage.

What I/we learned: Humans are presently operating at a low-functioning state and this is for a good and sound historical reason. This is because we are composed of both nature and nurture, or our actions are a combination of who we are and what we are programmed to be from a time very near conception. All of our emotions are directly caused by our nurture part and they are entirely reactive- they make us behave in predetermined patterns in response/reaction to external events. To remove all the environmental programming (in this case childhood trauma) is to remove what I now see is commonly called the Ego which will awaken the dormant functions that lead on to enlightenment. Enlightenment is not a state but a very long transition and occurs on a group scale- meaning no individual can achieve complete enlightenment by definition. The Seventh Sense is one of the dormant functions we discovered and at this stage it only identifies itself as a communication tool. I am extrapolating a little here that the next phase after completion of the reactive part is to activate the Seventh Sense and this becomes the tool to transfer enlightenment to others. I say this because it seems unnecessarily clumsy to have everyone go through this lengthy drawn out process to resolve reactive behavior. More work required here before I really understand this part.

Part of why I wanted to write this is because I'm not particularly good at expressing my thoughts and it kind of clears thing a little seeing them written down. This is of course a subject that is off limits to most people, particularly engineers so I don't really get to discuss it with anyone else.

Well that's me pretty much although I could post a mountain more info that would probably seem equally flakey to most people. Feel free to ask any questions or just lay into me for posting ramblings ;-)

CC

[raykilleen]

Experiment bringing the activity of the mind to stillness and when one experiences complete stillness perhaps silence which is beyond the mind may reveal itself, something that’s always been there…like the sun, but obstructed by clouds of the mind?

[wstein]

You sounded pretty clear to me, but then engineering is part of my nature. You and friend have uncovered a lot of ‘truth’ Compliments on actually addressing your issues in a constructive way. Be aware that a few others have been down the road you travel.

I see you are new to this forums, so a caution. Not everyone on this forum in genuine in discussion of enlightenment. Several just want to argue its definition. It should be soon apparent who they are, just ignore them.

[Cheese Consumer]

Hi again and thanks for the replies.

Originally Posted by wstein

Be aware that a few others have been down the road you travel.

I'd be very interested to hear from anyone who has taken this path. It wasn't anything I cared or knew about until the HM started describing it and now I'd like any information that might help decide that either I'm going to realize this is all a figment of the imagination or it will eventually ruin my career as a professional engineer. Specifically- I'd like to hear from anyone that has access to the 7th sense as that bit intrigues me the most.

Originally Posted by wstein

Not everyone on this forum in genuine in discussion of enlightenment. Several just want to argue its definition. It should be soon apparent who they are, just ignore them.

Actually I don't want to ignore anything right now. Part of the enlightenment process is to lose all contempt for others and know we must accept that all humans are reactively driven to some degree, particularly ourselves. Accepting this is a big part of the process but as I have done zero work towards enlightenment myself, the best I can do is accept that most of my opinions are invalid because they are contaminated by my past. It is frustrating at times to know that many/most of my actions are not actually my own.

I'd like to describe a few more things from the HM if anyone is interested. One of the big concepts is that as a species we were designed for 100% internal control. Society over the aeons has developed many external controls to compensate for individuals inability to demonstrate internal control. Governments, courts, police, prisons, lawyers and security guards are among the many systems developed to compensate for the individuals lack of internal control. As a society of higher-functioning individuals we can dispense with all these industries. A society where it is not necessary to lock anything, where anyone can walk through the darkest places in town without concern, where there is no need to acquire what isn't yours because you have the ability to have it yourself. And of course a society where people who do have difficulty determining what is right and wrong are simply repaired and returned to society rather than being condemned and incarcerated as they are today. Imagine the savings!

Further to that, in an enlightened world money is no longer necessary. Money represents a liquid form of value and value is a commodity associated with its difficulty to obtain. If I work as a cleaner I provide a value to somebody else and get paid in return. That value is very little because anyone can clean things. If I am an engineer and produce high tech electronic goods that people like then I provide a high value and get paid heaps. Wohooo yea. The reason the cleaner can't be an engineer is because they don't have the intellectual capacity to perform the tasks of being an engineer. If everyone had approximately equal intellectual capacity then there is no difference between a cleaner and an engineer. I used to be a cleaner. A little further, if it didn't take four years of hard work and stress to get a degree so that the engineer could claim to be a better person than the cleaner, then the effort required for cleaner and engineer would be similar. What I'm trying to say is that liquid value represents the difficulty of a task we perform for others (NB not considering leveraging). An enlightened society can dispense with money and all of its entrails because we can all do the things we enjoy when we want and know that we contribute each a little to society in return for nothing more than the ability to be part of it and the enjoyment of doing something that makes us happy. In some ways this is what communism tried and failed to achieve because Marx and co didn't understand how the reactive mind can and will twist up anything and everything for its own ends.

An enlightened society has no belief, no like, no dislike, no opinion, no government, no police, no hatred, no fear, no contempt and no suffering- because these are all generated by the reactive mind. I want this because it beats what we have today hands down and it is very much achievable with a little work.

CC