The future has already happened

[zeitgeist]

The Course in Miracles claims that time can be thought of as a carpet. You just start with the end of times and roll it up like a carpet until you get to today or the morrow. In a sense you can relax now, because the future has already happened. I have to admit this concept is a little too deep for me, but I did observe something in my life that is very confirming of this notion. I observed that independent of what I may have done yesterday, whether I messed up completely or did something right, the environment I am now facing is always perfect given the circumstances of the yesterday. So it is almost as if the now (yesterday's morrow in other words) was just made perfectly for the decision I made yesterday. Weird, eh?

[Lukas]

From my perspective this quote is true, I just clarify.

Creation is already complete and ultimately there is just the NOW and we are accessing different parts of all that already exists. So the future in its inherent quality already is existent, but nevertheless the future we personally chose to experience is not set in stone in the sense it's predetermined.

[arpee]

hmm, I don't like this idea. So if someone is a bum and dies a bum, it was just meant to happen. If someone has a tough and suffering life, it was just meant to happen. You don't have to worry about what you believe because whatever you believe whether it's true or false, is what you were meant to believe.


I don't like this idea of no free-will, but I do like the idea of going with the flow to be naturally guided...

[zeitgeist]

Originally Posted by arpee

hmm, I don't like this idea. So if someone is a bum and dies a bum, it was just meant to happen. If someone has a tough and suffering life, it was just meant to happen. You don't have to worry about what you believe because whatever you believe whether it's true or false, is what you were meant to believe.


I don't like this idea of no free-will, but I do like the idea of going with the flow to be naturally guided...

I liked Lukas' response, though I have to say that the concept is still somewhat hazy to me. Well, the bum will get beaten up by the now, but it is always his choice to choose differently next time around. Some need a lot of beating before they realize that something should perhaps change.

[arpee]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

I liked Lukas' response, though I have to say that the concept is still somewhat hazy to me. Well, the bum will get beaten up by the now, but it is always his choice to choose differently next time around. Some need a lot of beating before they realize that something should perhaps change.

If the future has already happened, he has no choice. We will do what is written in the future...

[Lukas]

Some lines to clarify further, sounds a bit funny and complicated maybe, but it helps...

Everything you can imagine and more is on some (to your life possibly irrelevant) level real and exists, otherwise you couldn't imagine it. This is because your imagination is subject to existence, not that existence is subject to your imagination - you can't look outside everything that already exists, because everything outside of what exists already doesn't exist.

All that exists and doesn't exist already does or doesn't exist, there is just one moment, the NOW in all existence and no time in the realms of the absolute.

We experience time because it's a choice we made for being able to have this unique linear type of experience among other type of experiences. Everything along our timeline is just another point of view of the same NOW.

When you imagine a filmstrip, being put into a projector, you have different single snapshots that are put into a row that gives the pictures the illusion of motion and continuation. We from an earthly perspective look at it in a similar way, it's pretty linear. If you now imagine that the filmstrip passes billions of pictures per second you come closer to the model of parallel realities. You can think of each 'frozen' picture as a parallel reality.

So if you want to have the experience of being an actor, you have the intention of manifestation to get there. Now by aligning your vibratory/energetic state and thus signature you are manifesting those pictures (parallel realities) where you become an actor. The act of becoming an actor is not even necessary - theoretically you could snap into a reality where you already are an actor in a second. Our belief system just tend to need that what we call process as an means to an end to get there. Well, of course we learn in a slowed down type of reality like here a lot about the mechanism of manifestation, so its part of what we are looking for to experience, nevertheless this will be less and less relevant for the upcoming time. You can experience those timeline jumps more and more, often in the smaller things you then call synchronicity.

So though technically it's all already there on the background of infinity you have depending on yourself an infinity to chose from. I wouldn't say you have no choice, quite the contrary, that this mechanism enables choice. It's also a motivating factor if you know that thereality you desire already exists just that you have to align with it.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

The Course in Miracles claims
Weird, eh?

Yes, the CIM is more than weird; but never mind that.

Yes, The future has already happened. How so?

EVERY thing happens all at once. - The only reason
we have things as Past, Present, & Future is because we would go (more ) insane
if we were bombarded with any more experiences, than we are now.

So as to Enable us to LEARN... God gave us 16 hour days.
Then to Enable us to Process... learnings, God made 1/3 day, the night for 'sleep'.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

The Course in Miracles claims that time can be thought of as a carpet. You just start with the end of times and roll it up like a carpet until you get to today or the morrow. In a sense you can relax now, because the future has already happened. I have to admit this concept is a little too deep for me, but I did observe something in my life that is very confirming of this notion. I observed that independent of what I may have done yesterday, whether I messed up completely or did something right, the environment I am now facing is always perfect given the circumstances of the yesterday. So it is almost as if the now (yesterday's morrow in other words) was just made perfectly for the decision I made yesterday. Weird, eh?

Magic carpet ride?

Reminds me of the Nietzsche idea of the "eternal recurrence".

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

EVERY thing happens all at once.

Not for you.

So as to Enable us to LEARN... God gave us 16 hour days.
Then to Enable us to Process... learnings, God made 1/3 day, the night for 'sleep'.

No mind, no time. No time, no future and no 16h days.

No mind, no God. No God, no lessons to learn.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Not for you.

No mind, no time. No time, no future and no 16h days.

No mind, no God. No God, no lessons to learn.

With all due respect,
With your "Nots, & NO's 9x", you make even less sense than the CIM.

Never mind to both.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

With all due respect,
With your "Nots, & NO's 9x", you make even less sense than the CIM.

Never mind to both.

My point is that there is no theology prior to mind.

Prior to mind things just happen. With mind arises the idea of time and future and lessons to learn and God and all that stuff. Prior to mind you just are. With mind you are this or that.

[thecommoner]

I am fascinated by the line of argument. It could be true there is no way to prove though.It makes a lot of sense.

[quiethumir]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

The Course in Miracles claims that time can be thought of as a carpet. You just start with the end of times and roll it up like a carpet until you get to today or the morrow. In a sense you can relax now, because the future has already happened. I have to admit this concept is a little too deep for me, but I did observe something in my life that is very confirming of this notion. I observed that independent of what I may have done yesterday, whether I messed up completely or did something right, the environment I am now facing is always perfect given the circumstances of the yesterday. So it is almost as if the now (yesterday's morrow in other words) was just made perfectly for the decision I made yesterday. Weird, eh?

How could me believing this possibly benefit me. What are the ramifications of this?

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by quiethumir

How could me believing this possibly benefit me.

You can pretty much toss that question in the garbage disposal if there's any real interest in what is or is not true.

[quiethumir]

Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg

You can pretty much toss that question in the garbage disposal if there's any real interest in what is or is not true.

Care to elaborate?

[Arcanum]

Mayhaps the rolled up carpet analogy is a way of saying whatever will be is not subject to any sort of volition, either God's or man's, and therefore will simply unfold as it will. It's not to say that the future is predetermined by something or that anything knows what is in that rolled up carpet. The point is simply that it is completely spontaneous from moment to moment, and the conditions of the next moment are determined by the conditions of this moment.

It doesn't help the imaginary 'you' to know that, but if it's seen clearly, it can help end the imagining.

[Albalida]

It's a little funny how attitude towards time, events, and free will changes. I remember reading a book about runes, that said something like the ancient Nordic people's attitude towards fate was that it was really very fluid. I was thinking, What? No... I mean why are the gods of that mythology subject to a fate at the end of their world where every move towards their own destruction is planned out and they still won't be able to stop it? That's quite slovenly research to say otherwise, and this is coming from someone who read about Ragnarok on the Cracked website.

The Greeks, at least, allowed for free will. Basically, if you used your free will to escape your fate, even a horrible fate like killing your father to marry your mother and spreading plague throughout the kingdom killing innocent subjects as punishment for something that you were fated to do in ignorance, then whatever you acted to avoid will still happen but three times worse because you tried to avoid it. That's harsh. Apparently Oedipus gouging his eyes out meant that he had become wise and insightful. What insights could he possibly have! He was hog-tied in puppet strings since the day he was born! Was gouging his eyes just a particularly gory que sera sera?

I personally enjoyed the idea that everything has happened in a parallel universe, or that some events are fixed points in time that have "already happened... to a time traveler" while everything else in a timeline is wibby-wobbly and only citizens of planet Gallifrey can tell the difference. But here we are, back to predestiny.

[royster]

The "rolled-up carpet" idea is very simplified. As best as we can tell, the universe is more donut shaped (Homer Simpson: huhhhhhhhhoooooo...dooooonuuuuuuut) and when pondered, makes more sense. Also, the "economy" of the universe demands a certain simplicity and sustainability, so the illustration of the donut universe makes more sense to many.



Choose a line on the donut and visually follow it in the spiral path. Many ideas can be gleaned from this, including the illusion of linear time, how time travel is possible, and how a previous life could be re-lived many times, accounting therefore for deja vu.

disclaimer:
This is just an illustration: your mileage may vary, not suitable for small children, see your dealer for details. Void in vacuum.

And I say "just an illustration" because there are just as many questions that come from it as answers. Suffice it to say that this is a lot more expressive and illustrative than a "rolled up carpet".

Note also that within this structure the DNA strands can be easily imagined. The "fractal universe" presents itself here.