What Is, Is

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

It must be international cryptic day. Spongebob is doing the same thing in his thread.

That's okay, you can be as cryptic as you want in this thread.

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Okay, how is Om meaningful?

Om is the primordial, underlying sound/vibration of the universe!

Also, it's actually Aum: aaaaa uuuuuuuuuuuu mmmmmmmmmmm -- the three sounds you can make without using your tongue. Neat, huh?

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Did you perceive button pushing in your subjective "what is"?

Yeah, you see all sorts of stuff once you accept what is.

Otherwise, it's almost too bad. I thought it was nice rant.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

Om is the primordial, underlying sound/vibration of the universe!

Also, it's actually Aum: aaaaa uuuuuuuuuuuu mmmmmmmmmmm -- the three sounds you can make without using your tongue. Neat, huh?

And 'what is, is' is meaningful in that way?
Hey, I just noticed I can say 'What is, is' using my tongue only.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

Om is the primordial, underlying sound/vibration of the universe!

Also, it's actually Aum: aaaaa uuuuuuuuuuuu mmmmmmmmmmm -- the three sounds you can make without using your tongue. Neat, huh?

Now, see, I never knew this! Cool.

Now, what about, "aumnomringengqiom" (or whatever that chant is)? Is that still primordial? That takes a tongue.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Yeah, you see all sorts of stuff once you accept what is.

Otherwise, it's almost too bad. I thought it was nice rant.

Sounded to me like he was just saying 'what it is'. (And of course, that it is)

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Yeah, you see all sorts of stuff once you accept what is.

Otherwise, it's almost too bad. I thought it was nice rant.

It seems like you're saying accepting what is means falling deeply into ones own projections and being OK with that.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg

It seems like you're saying accepting what is means falling deeply into ones own projections and being OK with that.

That was my conclusion too.
Is this where we get accused of maliciously ganging up?

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Truth is that which is so.
That which is not Truth, is not so.
Therefore, Truth is all there is.

It reminds me of a quote from ACIM that is quite powerful for me:

Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God.

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Now, see, I never knew this! Cool.

Now, what about, "aumnomringengqiom" (or whatever that chant is)? Is that still primordial? That takes a tongue.

I'm guessing not because tongues didn't exist at the beginning of the universe.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg

It seems like you're saying accepting what is means falling deeply into ones own projections and being OK with that.

Originally Posted by Arcanum

That was my conclusion too.
Is this where we get accused of maliciously ganging up?

What exactly do you mean by "projections?" (Before I can say any more about that, I really need to make sure I understand your terms).

Otherwise, no, I almost expected to get ganged up on in this thread, so it's okay. I have a hard time understanding what you two are even talking about most of the time, so it's okay if you don't understand me.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

It reminds me of a quote from ACIM that is quite powerful for me:

Yes! In fact, right after I hit the wall with the syllogism, I read ACIM, and that quote is one that I definitely resonated with.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

I'm guessing not because tongues didn't exist at the beginning of the universe.

Ah. Okay.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

I'm guessing not because tongues didn't exist at the beginning of the universe.

Why was the universe making 'aum' sounds?

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Beingist

What exactly do you mean by "projections?" (Before I can say any more about that, I really need to make sure I understand your terms).

Otherwise, no, I almost expected to get ganged up on in this thread, so it's okay. I have a hard time understanding what you two are even talking about most of the time, so it's okay if you don't understand me.

Do YOU understand you? (Do you understand what 'what is, is' means?)

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Why was the universe making 'aum' sounds?

I would suspect because it couldn't make any other sound (you know, without a tongue, and all).

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Why was the universe making 'aum' sounds?

It's the sound of God manifested into form, and that's what the universe is. A - Brahma, U - Vishnu, M - Shiva.

It's always making the "aum" sound. If you turn off all your electronics, and all your lights, and sit completely still, and there's no wind, and no rain, and nobody else talking, and no car noises, and no animal noises... and you are very, very quiet... you'll hear it.

Okay, I totally made up that second paragraph.

[Angela]

Om is the sound that Jesus used to soothe the velociraptors.

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by Beingist

I would suspect because it couldn't make any other sound (you know, without a tongue, and all).

That, too.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Not entirely objective facts, but also what is behind the facts. The facts, the figures, the objective, the subjective, whatever. The Truth. The Cause. The Beginning, the End. Everything conceivable.

Is what is, then, not that which is unconceivable?

[Arcanum]

Bill Clinton It Depends on what the meaning of the word is is - YouTube

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Do YOU understand you? (Do you understand what 'what is, is' means?)

Hmmm.

The first is good question. Let me process it, and I'll get back to you.

As far as whether I understand what 'what is, is' mean to me, of course. I don't think I would have started a thread about it, if not.

But seriously, I'm going to process that first question, as it is entirely reflexive.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Beingist

I would suspect because it couldn't make any other sound (you know, without a tongue, and all).

Well, at least it had vocal chords and such.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

It's the sound of God manifested into form, and that's what the universe is. A - Brahma, U - Vishnu, M - Shiva.

It's always making the "aum" sound. If you turn off all your electronics, and all your lights, and sit completely still, and there's no wind, and no rain, and nobody else talking, and no car noises, and no animal noises... and you are very, very quiet... you'll hear it.

Okay, I totally made up that second paragraph.

Who made up the first paragraph?

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Hmmm.

The first is good question. Let me process it, and I'll get back to you.

As far as whether I understand what 'what is, is' mean to me, of course. I don't think I would have started a thread about it, if not.

But seriously, I'm going to process that first question, as it is entirely reflexive.

NOW I have that quote for you:

The Caterpillar and Alice looked at each other for some time in silence: at last the Caterpillar took the hookah out of its mouth, and addressed her in a languid, sleepy voice.

`Who are YOU?' said the Caterpillar.

This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'

`What do you mean by that?' said the Caterpillar sternly. `Explain yourself!'

`I can't explain MYSELF, I'm afraid, sir' said Alice, `because I'm not myself, you see.'

`I don't see,' said the Caterpillar.

`I'm afraid I can't put it more clearly,' Alice replied very politely, `for I can't understand it myself to begin with; and being so many different sizes in a day is very confusing.'

`It isn't,' said the Caterpillar.

`Well, perhaps you haven't found it so yet,' said Alice; `but when you have to turn into a chrysalis--you will some day, you know--and then after that into a butterfly, I should think you'll feel it a little queer, won't you?'

`Not a bit,' said the Caterpillar.

`Well, perhaps your feelings may be different,' said Alice; `all I know is, it would feel very queer to ME.'

`You!' said the Caterpillar contemptuously. `Who are YOU?'

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Who made up the first paragraph?

That was all you.

Okay, Beingist, I'm sorry for my complete unseriosity. I'm going to bed now though.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

Is what is, then, not that which is unconceivable?

Actually, yes, I suppose it would include the inconceivable, also (at least to me).

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

Is what is, then, not that which is unconceivable?

Are you ganging up on him too?!!

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Are you ganging up on him too?!!

If he perceives it, then it is.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Actually, yes, I suppose it would include the inconceivable, also (at least to me).

Who is doing all of this conceiving?