Help needed- is enlightenment dangerous?

[Omerta]

It kills me! I don't want to die. And please don't say this freakin thing : "It is the ego that is afraid".Yes, so what? I'm dying, I'm in the middle of 2 consciousness and it sucks!!!!I wanted to know if this could be dangerous if one is not experienced. Seems like I've made a fast-track enlightenment, my head is red like a tomato and it burns. I meditated 6-7 times only and bam I'm in this matrix kind of thing, I don't have to meditate anymore, the energy is sucking my brain like a devil. The purpose of this was for my anxiety, I didn't expect that , I'm afraid.Help me. Can we kill enlightenment? Please help, I don't want to live this way and I don't want enlightenment anymore. I can't drive my car anymore because of the intense pressure.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Omerta

It kills me! I don't want to die. And please don't say this freakin thing : "It is the ego that is afraid".Yes, so what? I'm dying, I'm in the middle of 2 consciousness and it sucks!!!!I wanted to know if this could be dangerous if one is not experienced. Seems like I've made a fast-track enlightenment, my head is red like a tomato and it burns. I meditated 6-7 times only and bam I'm in this matrix kind of thing, I don't have to meditate anymore, the energy is sucking my brain like a devil. The purpose of this was for my anxiety, I didn't expect that , I'm afraid.Help me. Can we kill enlightenment? Please help, I don't want to live this way and I don't want enlightenment anymore. I can't drive my car anymore because of the intense pressure.

Enlightenment is not dangerous. But, chances are, you're not becoming enlightened. My bet is that a bunch of energy is locked up somewhere in your energy body, and you need to release it. Do this meditation repeatedly until your symptoms subside:

Sit in a quiet place, close your eyes, and clear your mind as best as you can. Remain like this until you start to get bored. Then picture a red stargate like this one:
http://www.sliceofscifi.com/wp-conte...8/stargate.jpg

As you're doing so, bring your body awareness to your root chakra. Commune with your chakra for a little bit. It's conscious just as you are. Then picture it exploding. Use this as a visualization aid:
http://brusimm.com/wp-content/upload...-review-05.jpg

While you're visualizing, try to hear the explosion, and try to feel the energetic effects, which are akin to electricity. This will train all three of your primary psychic modalities.

Let the explosion last as long as it needs to, then do the same with your other chakras, making sure to use the correct color. The colors are as follows:

Reddish-brown: Root
Orange: Sacral
Yellow: Solar Plexus
Green: Heart
Blue: Throat
Violet/Indigo: Third Eye
White/Gold: Crown

[VinceG]

A further meditation is the chakra cleanse. Do these after you finish opening all your chakras:

Go through your chakras again, one at a time, from the root working your way up. This time, imagine a stiff white rod running down your backbone to the back point of the chakra. Keep your back straight for this exercise. Imagine you have a pair of hands and grab hold of the top of the rod and twist it clockwise. When you do this, picture pulsing, black negative energy shooting from the chakra up into the air. Feel your chakra churning and squeezing, and the rod vibrating. Hear it gurgling. Continue with this exercise until the chakra stops spouting energy. Then move on to the next one.

[ChristsLight]

It's not killing you, because you never existed.

What are you afraid of?

[Omerta]

Can I push it with my consciousness?

[wstein]

I have never heard of a case of someone dying from becoming enlightened. Nor anyone dying in the process of the ego ‘dying’.

Anyway the ego is not dying either, its only being dethroned from being in charge of your life. It’s a small child having a tantrum, treat it that way.

Perhaps VinceG is right that you won’t make it all the way to enlightenment. However, the fact that you are already seeing the matrix kind of thing suggests it’s too late to go back to where you were.

I know this is a long shot, but is there a chance you are coincidently having a real medical problem? Burning is not usually reported in this kind of transition.

[Luciddd]

Originally Posted by wstein

I have never heard of a case of someone dying from becoming enlightened. Nor anyone dying in the process of the ego ‘dying’.

Anyway the ego is not dying either, its only being dethroned from being in charge of your life. It’s a small child having a tantrum, treat it that way.

Perhaps VinceG is right that you won’t make it all the way to enlightenment. However, the fact that you are already seeing the matrix kind of thing suggests it’s too late to go back to where you were.

I know this is a long shot, but is there a chance you are coincidently having a real medical problem? Burning is not usually reported in this kind of transition.

SUPPOSEDLY, there are cases of sages who become so absorbed into the Divine Union that they dont come back to earth.

[VinceG]

David Hawkins claims that at 600, approximately half of people who cross that threshold choose not to continue with earthly existence. Basically they go through ego death and lose the will to live. I've not seen this verified anywhere though.

[VinceG]

If this is indeed enlightenment, the sudden onset would indicate to me that this is not your first lifetime where you've reached it. If that's the case, then the symptoms will subside and you'll slowly acclimate to your new state of being. The chakra exercises I gave you will help you in either case.

[BillyTheAdult]

Originally Posted by VinceG

David Hawkins claims that at 600, approximately half of people who cross that threshold choose not to continue with earthly existence. Basically they go through ego death and lose the will to live. I've not seen this verified anywhere though.

yeah i believed that for a while, and I really love Hawkins and all, but I have come to believe that this is bs. What you even die of? I mean a perfectly healthy person isn't gone to suddenly drop dead just because that have some kind of epiphany.

OH MY GOD!!!! 2+2= WHAT!!!!?? FOURR??!?!? *dies*

Which is what I would say to the OP as well as, I have seen a number of people here go semi crazy thinking about subjective reality a lot as well as having experienced my self and having learned that very deep, and I mean VERY deep, intense meditation is often followed by days or even weeks of a sort of depression/anguish/feeling that you are losing touch with reality. I am actually going through one right now after nearly a full day of near complete stillness just a few days ago.

Just don't meditate for a little while, realize it will pass, and if you can distract yourself with something. I would highly recommend either throwing yourself into work, getting out with friends, doing something where you will be around people and your mind will be occupied.

[BillyTheAdult]

...and also realize that there is every likelihood that once it passes you'll be spending your days worrying about how to get back there. That's how it usually works for me.

[ButterflyWoman]

Originally Posted by Omerta

I don't want enlightenment anymore.

Women in labour often announce that they've changed their mind and no longer want a baby, too.

Originally Posted by Omerta

I can't drive my car anymore because of the intense pressure.

Given your problems with anxiety and other related matters, and I know from some of your other posts that you have a lot of anger issues, I'm going to advise you to see a doctor. It's impossible for anyone here to know if you're undergoing a spiritual awakening or if you need medical attention (or both). It's possible that there is a physical cause for your symptoms, and if so, it's serious and you should get it looked at right away.

[VinceG]

Self-inquiry explained to me that the 50% who choose death are loaded on the historical side. These days people generally choose to remain on Earth. I think the pre-modern world didn't have much to offer those who became enlightened.

Billy, enlightenment will eventually become as natural as breathing. If you focus your mind in that direction, it will come. Just relax and let it happen.

[Luciddd]

Originally Posted by VinceG

David Hawkins claims that at 600, approximately half of people who cross that threshold choose not to continue with earthly existence. Basically they go through ego death and lose the will to live. I've not seen this verified anywhere though.

This look more to me like a depression arising of the losing of this due to having to return to earth consiousness. The cases I am talking about are SUPPOSED cases where the sage willingly expell the soul from the body or the Divne Union completely call upon the soul of the sage thus enabling it to not return to the earth realm.

This is the most "dangerous" thing I can get, but it should be noted that there is no danger since such feats would be willingly.

It is not a suicide, since suicide is suddenly damaging the physical vessel beyond repair, while this is simply abandoning the vessel with full consiousness.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Luciddd

This look more to me like a depression arising of the losing of this due to having to return to earth consiousness. The cases I am talking about are SUPPOSED cases where the sage willingly expell the soul from the body or the Divne Union completely call upon the soul of the sage thus enabling it to not return to the earth realm.

This is the most "dangerous" thing I can get, but it should be noted that there is no danger since such feats would be willingly.

It is not a suicide, since suicide is suddenly damaging the physical vessel beyond repair, while this is simply abandoning the vessel with full consiousness.

Six of one, a half dozen of the other. You could say that a person whose been through full ego death has had his spirit ascend and has left his body without one. It certainly seems that way. I don't see a conflict between the two views.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by BillyTheAdult

yeah i believed that for a while, and I really love Hawkins and all, but I have come to believe that this is bs. What you even die of? I mean a perfectly healthy person isn't gone to suddenly drop dead just because that have some kind of epiphany.

OH MY GOD!!!! 2+2= WHAT!!!!?? FOURR??!?!? *dies*

Yeah, that's the whole nonsense in a nutshell. Ego death would mean there is no personal chooser anymore.

Which is what I would say to the OP as well as, I have seen a number of people here go semi crazy thinking about subjective reality a lot as well as having experienced my self and having learned that very deep, and I mean VERY deep, intense meditation is often followed by days or even weeks of a sort of depression/anguish/feeling that you are losing touch with reality. I am actually going through one right now after nearly a full day of near complete stillness just a few days ago.

Just don't meditate for a little while, realize it will pass, and if you can distract yourself with something. I would highly recommend either throwing yourself into work, getting out with friends, doing something where you will be around people and your mind will be occupied.

Nietzsche comes to mind. Allegedly lost his mind due to overexposure to his own philosophy.

@Vince
Where did Hawky calibrate Nietzsche?

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Reefs

@Vince
Where did Hawky calibrate Nietzsche?

Nietzsche? I'm not sure. A forum thread I found indicated that Hawkins never calibrated him. I can't imagine Hawkins just forgot about him. I think he's a bit too complicated for a single number to fit him. You could put a number on him, but the number wouldn't mean what you'd want it to mean. His ideas are all over the place. I found one calibration for nihilism at 160. Sri Aurobindo, who has a few ideas similar to Nietzsche, calibrates at 601.

There are many that don't have 'official' calibrations that I wish would. UG Krishnamurti for one.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Nietzsche? I'm not sure. A forum thread I found indicated that Hawkins never calibrated him. I can't imagine Hawkins just forgot about him. I think he's a bit too complicated for a single number to fit him. You could put a number on him, but the number wouldn't mean what you'd want it to mean. His ideas are all over the place. I found one calibration for nihilism at 160. Sri Aurobindo, who has a few ideas similar to Nietzsche, calibrates at 601.

There are many that don't have 'official' calibrations that I wish would. UG Krishnamurti for one.

Yeah, UG would be either at 50 or 10,000 or both or neither, hehe.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Yeah, UG would be either at 50 or 10,000 or both or neither, hehe.

My best guess puts him directly at 850, The Void. I think he's a perfect example of the intense spirituality of that place, coupled with the beautiful realization that, as lovely as that place is, it's not the ultimate, there's more of existence and Creation to see.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by VinceG

My best guess puts him directly at 850, The Void. I think he's a perfect example of the intense spirituality of that place, coupled with the beautiful realization that, as lovely as that place is, it's not the ultimate, there's more of existence and Creation to see.

If I remember correctly that would be in the vicinity of Gandhi.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Reefs

If I remember correctly that would be in the vicinity of Gandhi.

Mahatma Gandhi calibrates at 760 according to Transcending the Levels of Consciousness.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Mahatma Gandhi calibrates at 760 according to Transcending the Levels of Consciousness.

Hmm, according to this table 2travel.org/Files/DHawkins/Calibrate.pdfthat's above Niz and Ramana which means Gandhi is way beyond my pantheon!

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Hmm, according to this table 2travel.org/Files/DHawkins/Calibrate.pdfthat's above Niz and Ramana which means Gandhi is way beyond my pantheon!

From my experience, moving up in the 700s is about moving towards the world rather than away from it. Nisargadatta and Ramana managed this, but Gandhi went way further with it, daring to make actual changes in the world to bring more consciousness to it.

In the 600s, it's very difficult to do this, as your enlightenment hasn't matured yet. So most attempts to live in the world actually lower your consciousness level. but at 700, you've got enough facility with nondualism to re-engage the world.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Omerta

It kills me! I don't want to die. And please don't say this freakin thing : "It is the ego that is afraid".Yes, so what? I'm dying, I'm in the middle of 2 consciousness and it sucks!!!!I wanted to know if this could be dangerous if one is not experienced. Seems like I've made a fast-track enlightenment, my head is red like a tomato and it burns. I meditated 6-7 times only and bam I'm in this matrix kind of thing, I don't have to meditate anymore, the energy is sucking my brain like a devil. The purpose of this was for my anxiety, I didn't expect that , I'm afraid.Help me. Can we kill enlightenment? Please help, I don't want to live this way and I don't want enlightenment anymore. I can't drive my car anymore because of the intense pressure.

If you're afraid then it's not enlightenment.

How about psychosis? Maybe your repressed demons are trying to get out?

[Wombels]

Originally Posted by Omerta

It kills me! .

No one is experienced, you are not dying either,

The fact that your brain is somewhat in overdrive is part of it all, might be better to accept it, so you can catch some (little) sleep again.

If you aren't willing or simply can't face up to your deepest fears, you shouldn't worry too much about becoming enlightened, peace and purifying insights which them handle and break down the fears you carry within, somewhat require you to face up to them, other than that, there will be no progress whatsoever to get rid of them.

You are not in the middle of two consciousnesses, rather exposed, the (I know, I believe) realities you have known your entire life are being kicked around by new ones, those new realities are causing the feel of craziness and confusions which you are experiencing now.

The main issue in this is the fact that you are not willing to let go of the old in order to embrace new realities, they somewhat freak you out. Therefore your actual perception of what is going all directions like if you are or have lost control over your emotional state while your attention get's draw towards everything simultaneously.

Best not to talk to loved one's or friends about what you are experiencing now, they will think what you think about yourself now.

To get laid or get completely wasted, like really drunk brings relief.

If you don't fancy that, crying will help and speed up the process of getting the (negative) poison out of your system. To let go in genuine tears is nothing to be ashamed of, it will release pressure.

Don't try to get a grip over your emotions, instead track back and try to understand (accept) why you are the person that you are today.

For now, the less you talk in public, the less you will attract ridicule upon yourself.

Your biggest fear is yourself, get to know yourself and deal with it, if you don't know where to start or seek, run, everyday, force yourself, hurt yourself mentally and physically while running, push yourself beyond and you will be(come) surprised of what awaits you in the midst of that suffering.

Enlightenment, triggered would be a better expression, your brain got triggered into functioning, enjoy it instead, so you can become a master of your own destiny

[taylor]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Nietzsche? I'm not sure. A forum thread I found indicated that Hawkins never calibrated him. I can't imagine Hawkins just forgot about him. I think he's a bit too complicated for a single number to fit him. You could put a number on him, but the number wouldn't mean what you'd want it to mean. His ideas are all over the place. I found one calibration for nihilism at 160. Sri Aurobindo, who has a few ideas similar to Nietzsche, calibrates at 601.

There are many that don't have 'official' calibrations that I wish would. UG Krishnamurti for one.

Nietzsche's pretty low, one of the many very sharp sub 200 philosophers. (Chomsky, Lacan, Baudrillard, Marx, etc.)

Nietzsche uses advanced concepts but holds fundamental negative (increasing narcissism, alienation) assumptions. Like how Marx (135) used concepts of Hegel (470) but instead of a dialectical of spirit as Hegel wrote about, he turned it around to an entirely materialistic reinterpretation. From the outside they sounds similar, like maybe they're talking about similar things, but they're coming from totally different perspectives.

[bodi]

Originally Posted by Omerta

It kills me! I don't want to die. And please don't say this freakin thing : "It is the ego that is afraid".Yes, so what? I'm dying, I'm in the middle of 2 consciousness and it sucks!!!!I wanted to know if this could be dangerous if one is not experienced. Seems like I've made a fast-track enlightenment, my head is red like a tomato and it burns. I meditated 6-7 times only and bam I'm in this matrix kind of thing, I don't have to meditate anymore, the energy is sucking my brain like a devil. The purpose of this was for my anxiety, I didn't expect that , I'm afraid.Help me. Can we kill enlightenment? Please help, I don't want to live this way and I don't want enlightenment anymore. I can't drive my car anymore because of the intense pressure.

What?! Are you kidding?

To anyone who responded seriously to this:

What?! Are you kidding?

Either lay off the drugs or get on some new ones...

[taylor]

Originally Posted by bodi

What?! Are you kidding?

To anyone who responded seriously to this:

What?! Are you kidding?

Either lay off the drugs or get on some new ones...

No, I actually think he's serious. There can be energetic issues that arise and can be intense, painful and/or scary. However, he hasn't given us enough information to help. We don't know what he did exactly to get this way, if has had any experience like this before, etc. I'm guessing Vince is right on this one and he has stuck energy in his head. Kundalini syndrome isn't enlightenment though.

[ButterflyWoman]

Originally Posted by bodi

To anyone who responded seriously to this:

What?! Are you kidding?

This member has been around the boards for a while, and this post is not atypical of the way he writes and things he says. I can't say what's going on with him, which is why I urged him to seek medical attention (he relates in another thread that he did go to the hospital and get some tests done, including a scan).

Generally speaking, I find that it's a better growth experience (for me) to assume someone is serious (within reason, of course) than to immediately assume they're trolls or on drugs (as you've stated) or whatever. Even if it turns out the person IS a troll or something, there are plenty of people who read these threads and may get something positive from them, regardless of the veracity or stability of the OP.

Just as a matter of interest, there is a phenomenon known as "spiritual emergency" which is associated with awakening and transformation. In fact, it's even listed in the "bible" of psychiatry, the DSM-IV, though not that many mental health professionals actually know anything about it. You can Google the term "spiritual emergency" or "spiritual emergence" if you want to know more.

[geniegal]

I don't understand most of the replies on this thread,having only just embarked on my spiritual awakening. I came here to post about the pain I myself am feeling re reality. I suspect that for me the whole process of shifting from obj reality to the truth is like extracting a massive spiritual splinter it hurts but for me there is no other way

What has been happening for me is I go through say periods of a week of discomfort which are followed by a big epiphany that is v empowering. Then I coast for a bit then the process repeats. All I can think is I keep moving up levels in my understanding and powers

The only way I feel is stick with the pain - I think of it as training. I get a temporary respite from it through exercise and watching good quality drama. At least that knows it's not real

HTH
Harriet