Is there a God? ...but I digress.

[Trover]

Is there a God?

1.Yes
2.No
3.?

Those who seek to “prove” there is a God, for the most part, lack my respect.
Those who seek to “prove” that there is not a God earn the Trover award for “funniest people on earth.” Why? Because that can't be proven either! The way I see it, a “prover” is nothing but an insecure seeker who wishes he knew what the truth was, and uses his debating skills to soothe his doubts and fears and bolster his sagging ego. Gee, how would I know that? ... but I digress.

I have found a new group of people. Those who simply observe that which IS, allow it to be what it IS not lay claim to or take credit for understanding what IS is. Those are the ones who then find that listening to categories #1 and #2 debate the topic is more entertaining than T.V. Of course watching a tree grow is more intellectually stimulating than 99% of television... but I digress.

I want this blog to be an invitation to all #3ers. I used to be a #1er. When my absolute “Proof” of “God” got challenged I was tempted to become a number 2er. That didn't last too long because Mr. “IS” out there wouldn't shut up. So, the most profound thing in my life happened. I stopped talking and started listening. No, I mean really listening. Actually listening to people who I used to think were crazy. Well, some of them are crazy, but that's OK now because so am I... but I digress.

So, I want this blog to entice the conversation of those who are, first of all, willing to acknowledge that SOMETHING IS. Not claim to understand it, just willing to share your observations of and experiences with IT. This is also an invitation to those who have absolute full and complete understanding that “Jesus just needs to cast the devil of confusion out of your soul...” to, politely, please, find another blog... but I digress.

I wish I had the ability to delete the know-it-alls and the gainsayers but... no, now I'm starting off digressing!

As for my own experience, it keeps changing. That's what makes it hard being so darn certain that I know so much about “God” that I can teach Him to someone else. Every time I puffed my chest out when I'd teach “the absolute immutable Truth of the Word of God” very soon I'd be getting challenged on what I just said. It seemed like everything in my world would get turned upside down and then there was this little “voice” (maybe it was “Mr. IS” ya think???) that would say, “now what do you believe Mr. smart guy?”

Oddly enough, sometimes I found out that I really did believe it. Because at the end of it I just said, “you're just gonna have to go ahead and kill me on this one, because I just can't not believe this.” Mr. IS just said, “OK.” I didn't know if that meant He was going to kill me, or just go on to my next lesson. Hm, I'm still here! No digressing there, that was actually a pretty good point!

The point being. I still believe what I believe “by faith” I don't have, or need, any proof. I just know that I'm going to believe “this” even if you kill me... I'm at peace with that... next question please? I no longer have the need to prove what IS is, because I believe that “IS” is.

It is a good thing for me to “believe.” There are many things that I do believe and will die for if pressed to that point. But here's the most beautiful thing I've learned so far. Just because I believe it, and am willing to die for it, doesn't make it True.

I now understand that there is nothing wrong with admitting that my “faith” is a growing reality. My faith, in a sense, is who “I” IS. What I believe is who I am. It doesn't take much study to look at my life and realize that I could use a little improvement. So I want to change, I want to grow... but into what? I don't know!” What? I don't know? Hm, that's a lot different than when I was all sure that I could teach everyone everything about “Jesus.” … but I digress.

That which IS is a lot smarter than I am. It knows that I don't understand everything perfectly. Yet, IT has allowed me to exist in its presence in my imperfection up to this point, and therefore I have no doubt that He/it will have no problem allowing me to continue to do so in my present level of progress on my way to... but I digress.

I love Christian people who go to “Church” looking for “God” because it is usually pretty easy to spot the truth-seekers in the middle of a “classroom” full of blowhard wannabe know-it-alls. No arrogant prideful judgementalism there! But when it comes to the guys up front... ouch! There are very few Christian preachers that I respect.

I don't think that there is a more deceived man on earth than one who thinks he has the authority to declare Truth, and then think that what he is saying is that Truth. Truth exists, men speak it all the time, even preachers, its just that Truth is its own authority. Men who think they can posess it are ... funny. ... gone way beyond digression there!

I'm sure there are still a few who have made it through seminary and still actually seek Truth. About one out of a thousand in my own estimation. Most of the rest of them merely regurgitate the party line in the desire to secure their own income from the offering plate. Claiming to want to “add souls to the kingdom is a great cover line.... but I digress. No, wait, I want to digress just a little bit more on this one. There's one more division amongst preachers. Some of them wish they could preach truth, but have gotten in such a stinking rut they keep on preaching their heart out in hopes of finding it some day but don't let on to anyone that's what they're doing. OK, now I'm done digressing.

Its not about me judging who is and who is not genuinely seeking truth... we all are. Some are just really funny the way they do it. Its like watching a monkey hit his finger with a hammer, and then pick up the same damn hammer and do it again! I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about ME!

I believe that IS is. What do you think? Are you still hitting your finger with the same damn hammer, or have you wised up a bit and at least tried hitting another finger for a while?

[royster]

Expressing only my own observation: "God" is more a community than anything, and we are all a fractal of that community. The misconception of God being an old man in a dictator uniform is one of the corruptions of recent history, noteably the offshoot of King James' perversions.

As everything is thought, then God is the main artery of all thought.

This might not bag me the covetted Trover Award, but it allows me a chance to offer a different view.

Something, obviously, I NEVER do

[Andras]

g-d is a concept (at least to me) it is not a being in a traditional sense (it has no sex(male/female) it does not get sad/angry etc). I have published a book a while ago (not very successfully) claiming that proving g-d is not that difficult as g-d in my world view is infinity. What is infinity? It is a concept, it transcends our finite, crappy, mundane existence and even can be construed as incomprehensible with our brain that is conditioned to understand with contrasts. Does infinity exists? You betcha! Only an idiot would claim that infinity is not. Well, I have had this argument - but a lot of people are stupid sheep and their mind is very hazy..argue only for the sake of arguing...
I use g-d because it is something that cannot be named or described and utterance of it is not giving it justice - it is more complex that that! (alas the Hebrew(Cabbalistic) and Hindu lore, which I hold true). (the Jews stoned anyone who uttered the name Jehovah...)
Anyway, in my book, The Evidence of God's Existence: As Explained in the Teaching of Agni Yoga I claim that infinity definitely exist and it can be proven, you just have to draw the line between THAT and your concept of g-d....
"Ultimately the book is written to everyone who is seeking to find the Truth with special emphasis to the agnostic/atheist crowd who think the only kind of God can be denied is the western, anthropomorphic, personal god. Of course there is no proof or conclusive way to show the existence of a higher power other than attempting to show a different eastern concept of god. This book wants to share the eastern view with no uncertain terms and paint a true view of the eastern mind. Clearly, to some people, god has been "on vacation" and does not answer prayers. This book attempts to answer some of these questions, it requires an open mind and an open heart, and if this condition is met it will open your horizons and expand your consciousness."

[desertrat]

I see God as the creative life source of the cosmos , we are all little parts of God . In the begining there was only God , God was lonely , God made the entire cosmos , God was still lonely , then God divided him/her self in to many small parts to make up all living things throught the cosmos , God was no longer lonely . Jesus came to earth with a message , that got changed to meat the neads of the church . desert rat

[raykilleen]

Originally Posted by Trover

Is there a God?

GOD? I’ll get back to you when I firm up my definition of The Absolute, Brahma, Divine, Awareness, Truth, Inner Nature, etc.; but don’t hold your breath, somehow this limited mind and archaic language restricts me.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by raykilleen

GOD? I’ll get back to you when I firm up my definition of The Absolute, Brahma, Divine, Awareness, Truth, Inner Nature, etc.; but don’t hold your breath, somehow this limited mind and archaic language restricts me.

I'm pickin' up what you're layin' down, yogi!

[wstein]

Is?

We are pretty much stuck there. No point in trying to identify what is or is not ‘God’ if we can’t even nail down ‘is’.

[Reefs]

4. who gives a f***!?

[wstein]

Originally Posted by Reefs

4. who gives a f***!?

you do and often, usually with great zeal

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by wstein

you do and often, usually with great zeal

Reefs talks about God???

If God is a verb, you could be right.

[ChristsLight]

How do you have a belief about what is, and that it is?

Are you separate from that which is? Who were you speaking to when speaking to "Mr. IS"?

I wish I had the ability to delete the know-it-alls and the gainsayers

Why?

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by wstein

Is?

We are pretty much stuck there. No point in trying to identify what is or is not ‘God’ if we can’t even nail down ‘is’.

I agree....better to enjoy wondering that miss the moment analyzing

[Keiju]

Originally Posted by Trover

Is there a God?

1.Yes
2.No
3.?

Very good, you are looking to see what IS.


In doing so you first begin with yourself. Thus the inquiry into, who is I.



To answer your original question, Yes there is a God.


To put it simply:

God = The one who created the very fabric of space and time over which everything is super imposed. Brought everything from nothing. Was the one who became conscious when it should not be possible. He is living proof of the possibility of the impossible.


For existence to exist, you need consiousness and awareness right from the get go. Existence is a self confirming stamp of conscious direction from God. A part of "what is" is God.



You will begin to understand the obvious conclusion of the mandatory necessity for God in the beginning, to exist at all.
After you begin to understand that you are able to make statements with absolute certainty.

The first one of these absolutes, is that you exist. The "I" you are inquiring into, is an absolute certainty, a truth. The characteristic's of which you are trying to discern.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by Trover

Because I'm an arrognat prideful idiot who thinks he is better than those who haven't grasped the deep deep concepts that I have grasped and I can't get past my intellect and attain to that coveted status of “who gives a f***!”(quoting a soon to be friend, as soon as he reads a certain book, and learns how to talk)

Are you looking for intellectual argumentation? You're never going to find Truth that way, which might point out why you're frustrated with Reefs.

[Sekret Weapon]

The universe is designed.
Therefore there are designers.

In our limited state of consciuosness our collective wisdom has determined that a "God" engineered the Universe.

But once you get out into the universe, it becomes apparant (at least to me) that this is a design effort of many many God-entities.

Perhaps it will serve advantageous to think "Team God" vs "God".


But dont take my word for it.
It is best to see things with your own eyes.
DMT provides such a service.

Google it before you start chiming in this time

[arpee]

A #3 sounds like an "Agonstic Atheist", they don't believe in God but they're not claiming that they actually know for sure.

[DarkTears]

i dont think their is a thing called "GOD" but I do believe that there are gods.........some are powerful, some are not........

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by DarkTears

i dont think their is a thing called "GOD" but I do believe that there are gods.........some are powerful, some are not........

Like the god of hamburgers?



Just kidding. What actually leads you to conclude this?

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by DarkTears

i dont think their is a thing called "GOD" but I do believe that there are gods.........some are powerful, some are not........

You are a god, too.

Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? (John 10:34)

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Trover

Is there a God?
1.Yes
2.No
3.?
What do you think?

YES.
I invite you to Enjoy your own personal Relationship with God: #1

[Pot head]

No.

[Frisky]

Every time I sleep with a girl and she screams "OH GOD......OH GOD"!!! its clear proof that there really is a God

[Keiju]

Originally Posted by Frisky

Every time I sleep with a girl and she screams "OH GOD......OH GOD"!!! its clear proof that there really is a God

I think you are in the wrong place "frisky", did you see red lights at the entrance to this forum?

[Frisky]

Originally Posted by Keiju

I think you are in the wrong place "frisky", did you see red lights at the entrance to this forum?

Sense of humor...........get one

[Keiju]

Originally Posted by Frisky

Sense of humor...........get one

do I look like a clown to you

[abcbac]

I agree that people that go to infinite lengths to prove something and that they will come up with anything to back it up even it really makes no sense. You can see this in religion and science. I believe in a higher power but I don't believe in the "GOD" that religions try to preach. I do believe in a higher power. This higher power can be anything. It can even be a force or a law. Something that accounts for our consciousness and not just the physical realm. But then again I am not sure what it is. I feel the "GOD" concept in religions was just created by people who were very scared and had no clue to what their surroundings were. Other people wanted their life to have an objective meaning and explain for the events occurring in society. They created these religions to find a purpose and have some meaning in their lives. Not one religion is consistent and have been constantly been changing.

In the end, it doesn't matter. Just try to be the best person you can be and live a life of moral consistency without worrying about heaven or hell.

[wolfgang]

I think the question should be:

"Is the question 'Is there a god?' a valid question?"

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

I think the question should be:

"Is the question 'Is there a god?' a valid question?"

Yes, it's a very loaded question that keeps the mind nicely set going in circles.

A more useful question is to look and see who is actually asking the question. The bottom of that bunny hole can only result in laughter.