Whats the purpose of mentally retarded people?

[cheesedip1]

First, I'm not using the title of this thread as an insult or anything.

Second, I really hope this is the right place to put this thread.


Okay..what can be said about mentally retarded people? If some aren't that smart , can they learn lessons like the rest of us? Are they here to teach us or to learn lessons themselves, however big or small they may be? I'm guessing both. Now granted, everyone's IQ is different, so it varies. That being said, I'm wondering if they are here to teach us how to love (sort of).

Some people say that they grow faster if they choose to come to earth handicapped. (Although handicaps on earth aren't always planned, some people just get them by accident.)

Some people say some handicapped people have messed up souls from doing drugs in other lifetimes. (Don't really understand that. It also doesn't sound very true.)


What is the nature of mentally handicapped people?

[nothuman]

Mentally retarded people are going about the human experience as.......well......mentally retarded people. How this manifests for them as a reach into the physical universe is relevant to them alone and a source of conjecture for the rest of us. Having said that though can any of us make the claim of having a totally rational and sane mind. We are simply talking degrees of functionabilty here.

[Luciddd]

Make us more humble I guess.

[Frisky]

Could also be re-incarnates working out past lives karma. Maybe they were hugely successfull people in previous lifetime who enjoyed mocking retarded people??

I dunno, thats just one theory out there. I'm not saying I necessarily believe that

[Moriarty]

At the risk of repeating what nh posted.....

Life is one long analytical journey and the mind will keep you stuck there..no escape.

Whatever the reasons for the mind being wired quite different to its default state (which is how the rest of us 'sane' people see it), you will be eternally doomed to an essay of a million answers to your question.

It is how it is and if nothing else, it gives the rest of us opportunity to count our blessings that we are given minds that screw us up with their incessant never-ceasing, bombarding thoughts....lucky them!

[ButterflyWoman]

What's the purpose of ANY people?

Think about it.

[Frisky]

Also mentally retarded people basically have a disease (or genetic mutation). Its well reported that people with diseases who die will have their bodies instantly repaired (or restored) once they enter astral planes.

So they are no different from regular people for that matter

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

What's the purpose of ANY people?

Think about it

Aahh....that age-old question

Its up there with whats outside the universe?? And whats outside of the outside, of the universe. And so on.....and so on

[nothuman]

Cool so we are going somewhere with this. To me it is a great indicator that the mind is not the place to put ones confidence. If we are able to walk around the planet with defective minds then obviously it is an indication that we are not it. Just like if we lost a leg we would stil be I. Does that mean that an amputee has a less valid experience in the human journey? The human form is an expression and life is a dance, every player wins a prize

[BillyTheAdult]

Who says there is a purpose to anyone or anything.

Purpose comes from humans placing false meanings on things, so their purpose is whatever you say it is.

[Keiju]

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

What's the purpose of ANY people?

Think about it.

To be inline with God's desire,


Infinitely Increasing Eternal Bliss

[ButterflyWoman]

Originally Posted by nothuman

If we are able to walk around the planet with defective minds

See, I don't really like the characterisation of "defective". This isn't some kind of political correctness (trust me, of all the things I am, that's not one of them!), but a rather, it seems to me to be an arrogant assumption that the majority of "normal" people are inherently what humanity is "supposed" to look like, and anyone who deviates from that majority is somehow "less than". (I know you didn't say that. I'm just pontificating.)

Quite possibly my view comes from the fact that I have a developmentally disabled child. She's definitely not typical, and not normal in the true sense of the word, i.e., she's not like everyone else. Her existence is unique, and her own, and while she has some difficulties that the majority don't have, she also has a perspective that the majority don't have, and she brings to the majority things that typical, normal people simply cannot.

Sometimes I wonder if the "typical" and "normal" are really the ones who should be bragging about how great it is to be typical and normal, given the state of the world...

[ButterflyWoman]

Originally Posted by Keiju

To be inline with God's desire,
Infinitely Increasing Eternal Bliss

The purpose of the question is to encourage the exploration of the question, itself. It's a question meant to challenge assumptions and worldviews. Contemplation of the question is the whole point of the exercise.

[Keiju]

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

The purpose of the question is to encourage the exploration of the question, itself. It's a question meant to challenge assumptions and worldviews. Contemplation of the question is the whole point of the exercise.

Every question has an answer. If it can be asked, it can be answered.


I am result's orientated, and contemplation for me, should lead me further along on the path of Infinitely Increasing Eternal Bliss.


I have contemplated, and this is the conclusion:
The purpose of creation is the same as God's desire, that is bliss which lasts for an eternity and is always increasing in intensity.


The reasoning behind this is simple, what is the most attractive purpose for creation? The answer is as laid out above. Should you have a better answer I would like to hear it, along with its reasoning. I can expand and expand on my answer, in much the same way you would see "expansion" when looking closer and closer at molecules/atoms, this is because I am looking at something that is real. I am not conceptualising, I am looking, much the same way you would look at a physical object, I am merely telling you what is there.

[nothuman]

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

See, I don't really like the characterisation of "defective". This isn't some kind of political correctness (trust me, of all the things I am, that's not one of them!), but a rather, it seems to me to be an arrogant assumption that the majority of "normal" people are inherently what humanity is "supposed" to look like, and anyone who deviates from that majority is somehow "less than". (I know you didn't say that. I'm just pontificating.)

Quite possibly my view comes from the fact that I have a developmentally disabled child. She's definitely not typical, and not normal in the true sense of the word, i.e., she's not like everyone else. Her existence is unique, and her own, and while she has some difficulties that the majority don't have, she also has a perspective that the majority don't have, and she brings to the majority things that typical, normal people simply cannot.

Sometimes I wonder if the "typical" and "normal" are really the ones who should be bragging about how great it is to be typical and normal, given the state of the world...

BW I can only speak from my experience so defective sits about right. I don't get too precious about the mind I think humanity has been wrapped up with it for way too long. But you are most correct I am only verbalizing it differently. I don't see any disadvantage with having an alternate human experience. If a mind doesn't 'work' the same way as societies standard then quite frankly as I said we should take note and question our own relationship with our own minds. I don't know how else I can communicate it other than to say it is the crack in the veil where the light comes in.

[Moriarty]

Originally Posted by nothuman

BW I can only speak from my experience so defective sits about right. I don't get too precious about the mind I think humanity has been wrapped up with it for way too long. But you are most correct I am only verbalizing it differently. I don't see any disadvantage with having an alternate human experience. If a mind doesn't 'work' the same way as societies standard then quite frankly as I said we should take note and question our own relationship with our own minds. I don't know how else I can communicate it other than to say it is the crack in the veil where the light comes in.

Thus it comes back to the same ole with every debate...the chain-of-command system...hen-pecking order...the rung of the ladder effect.

There'll be someone else who looks out at them, while they to him, while he to the mentally slow, while they look to living life and that someone will be thinking "hmm..she or he's a bit slow" ...no climbing out of that spiral folks until such times as all perceptions are dropped leaving the mind to only contemplate flower petals.

[wstein]

There is no ‘purpose’ to any way of being. There are many ways to experience existence none any more worthwhile than another.

Western culture especially has placed intellect on a pedestal. They proclaim loudly that its important. It is but one part of the human experience and a smaller part of many animals. Most people’s lives are dominated by their emotions and egos with intelligence being a smaller factor. Being less mentally endowed is not that big a deal.

As I am intelligent, I can only guess as to the experience of someone with less intelligence. It would seem that they live life more from direct experience with far less complication. I suspect they are confused why more intelligent people spend so much time focused on stuff that is not even real.

They have a big advantage in ‘being in the now’.

[cheesedip1]

Okay, never mind. Forget the whole "purpose" thing. What I'm trying to understand is why some people choose to incarnate into a "mentally handicapped: state.

Are mental retarded people responsible for any bad things they do in this lifetime. Some of them have less awareness so can they really be held responsible for the karma they produce? (Hurting others,etc cuz of mental illnesses)

Is is their fault or is it the illness? Where does karma come into play?

[Moriarty]

Originally Posted by cheesedip1

Okay, never mind. Forget the whole "purpose" thing. What I'm trying to understand is why some people choose to incarnate into a "mentally handicapped: state.

Are mental retarded people responsible for any bad things they do in this lifetime. Some of them have less awareness so can they really be held responsible for the karma they produce. (Hurting others,etc cuz of mental illnesses)

Is is their fault or is it the illness? Where does karma come into play?

or could it be none of those and simply for the experience?

[wstein]

Originally Posted by cheesedip1

Okay, never mind. Forget the whole "purpose" thing. What I'm trying to understand is why some people choose to incarnate into a "mentally handicapped: state.

You seem to forget that many beings incarnate as animals. There are many different ways to experience reality. I believe in reincarnation. I have been countless thousands of creatures. Being a worm is a simple and uncomplicated experience. In that sort of a state you can focus on a very select part of reality without making it all complicated. Some come to experience to ‘learn’ something, there is nothing to say that lessons need to complicated or hard.

Originally Posted by cheesedip1

Are mental retarded people responsible for any bad things they do in this lifetime.

They are just as responsible as you are for your actions. They (and you) take actions and there are effects of those actions. The judgment of ‘bad’ (outcomes) is in your own mind based on you view of what a proper way to live life is. Whether you hold them responsible for being as they are is up to you.

Originally Posted by cheesedip1

Some of them have less awareness so can they really be held responsible for the karma they produce. (Hurting others, etc cuz of mental illnesses)

Is it their fault or is it the illness? Where does karma come into play?

Karma is a thing you subscribe to. It is based on your actions, and your actions alone. As such, no one else can produce karma for another. Note that the karma game is optional. For those that do play the karma game, karma does not hold anyone responsible for anything. Karma simply holds you to your promise to balance damaging action with restoring actions before you can quit the game.

[cheesedip1]

Originally Posted by Moriarty

or could it be none of those and simply for the experience?

I'm sure it could be for many reasons, including the one you listed.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by cheesedip1

Okay, never mind. Forget the whole "purpose" thing. What I'm trying to understand is why some people choose to incarnate into a "mentally handicapped: state.

Are mental retarded people responsible for any bad things they do in this lifetime. Some of them have less awareness so can they really be held responsible for the karma they produce? (Hurting others,etc cuz of mental illnesses)

Is is their fault or is it the illness? Where does karma come into play?

You're simply rewording it. "Why" is another way of asking what the purpose is. Does there have to be a reason?

[Keiju]

Originally Posted by cheesedip1

Okay, never mind. Forget the whole "purpose" thing. What I'm trying to understand is why some people choose to incarnate into a "mentally handicapped: state.

Are mental retarded people responsible for any bad things they do in this lifetime. Some of them have less awareness so can they really be held responsible for the karma they produce? (Hurting others,etc cuz of mental illnesses)

Is is their fault or is it the illness? Where does karma come into play?

Responsibility and awareness are correlated in what I call formula's of consciousness

The less aware you are:

1. the less responsible you are for your actions.
2. the less harm you can cause.
3. the less pain you will experience.
4. the less the free will
5. the less your capacity for bliss

[cheesedip1]

She then realized that people such as the mentally retarded are special people who know much more than they are able to express." Also: "Hardships are necessary for the growth of our soul."


Souls who choose to be born mentally retarded are special souls who have retained more than a normal amount of their pre-birth memories and who know much more than they are able to express. Such hardships are necessary for soul growth.

We forget our higher knowledge so that we are able to succeed as normal human beings advancing our spirits. If we retained all our pre-birth knowledge, we would seem abnormal to the rest of society. But souls do assume bodies that are retarded or crippled because they have decided to assume some of this higher knowledge in order to teach those around them lessons in love. We forget who we are because we want to do everything humanly possible to fulfill our missions for humanity and God. We forget these things so we can make the most of the human experience for ourselves and God. We are spirits having a human experience. When we return to spirit, everyone benefits from our human experience.


Pre-birth - near-death experiences



Yet again, possibly another reason.

[cheesedip1]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

You're simply rewording it. "Why" is another way of asking what the purpose is. Does there have to be a reason?

Maybe they choose it just for the experience of it. I'm not sure. It could probably be a mixture of both.

[Moriarty]

...and this is where I pull out of the thread....

Cheers all

[cheesedip1]

Originally Posted by Keiju

Responsibility and awareness are correlated in what I call formula's of consciousness

The less aware you are:

1. the less responsible you are for your actions.
2. the less harm you can cause.
3. the less pain you will experience.
4. the less the free will
5. the less your capacity for bliss

How does such a thing relate to Hitler or people who were so mentally handicapped that they have no idea what they are doing? Does this mean people who are mentally handicapped are less responsible for their actions? What about people at low levels of consciousness?

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by cheesedip1

Maybe they choose it just for the experience of it. I'm not sure. It could probably be a mixture of both.

Who is there to choose the experience of mental retardation? Can anyone really choose it?

[TonyToneTone]

Originally Posted by nothuman

Cool so we are going somewhere with this. To me it is a great indicator that the mind is not the place to put ones confidence. If we are able to walk around the planet with defective minds then obviously it is an indication that we are not it. Just like if we lost a leg we would stil be I. Does that mean that an amputee has a less valid experience in the human journey? The human form is an expression and life is a dance, every player wins a prize

Awesome posts Nothuman.

[cheesedip1]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

Who is there to choose the experience of mental retardation? Can anyone really choose it?

When you choose your next lifetime, you could choose to be born into a mentally handicapped body. This doesn't mean it's always chosen tho.

[nothuman]

Originally Posted by TonyToneTone

Awesome posts Nothuman.

Thanks mate....... really cool name

Tony