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I would like to have a better idea of why some prayers are not answered. I know it can be a question of timing (we are on God's time) or believing that the Universe knows better what we need. I have been praying to have an income after 8 months of being without one and I'm not seeing any results. I apply for job regularly as well as tried to make an income online with no results.
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Supposedly all prayers without exception are answered as long as you have enough faith. Even the physically impossible. At least as long as it doesnt affect the Judgement Day. Under this tenet, you must pray with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind for that which you have, with absolute certainty that you have already got it. if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you." This is taken from a pure Christian perspective. From other perspective, this would mean that to manifest something in real life you need to get to a "vibration level" to make an effect. The main tenets of this, is basically that if you want or desire something you wont get it unless it is alloted or permited to you by destiny, because wanting means you dont have it. You have to BE IT. Dont say "I Maya 2066 want an interner income job" BECOME that version of Maya2066. Find it within yourself, within the vast cosmos within yourself that treasure is placed, find it. Meditate, look within yourself. But beware, the universe inside yourself it is said to be even bigger than the universe outside yourself. What does this mean? Again, feel like you have it BECOME IT, become the Maya that already has it, do not want it, if you want it you doesnt have it yet. Dont do, be. Feel with great gratefulness to God/SOURCE because you already have it, with great bliss and love feel that you are there already, and you will be. Within your heart already is, simply realize it. |
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Not trying to make a point here, just wanting to see where we are. | |
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LOA is simply a VERY dilluted version of the perfect will. While dilluted, some people may be able to manifest things, but they will experience limits. It depends on how dilluted it is. The fulfillment of right desires is within reach of everyone, but a veil of illusion obstructs the ignorant. That is why, though they desire to see their dead, their beloved, they cannot see them. Do we wish for our beloved, among the living or among the dead, or is there aught else for which we long, yet, for all our longing, do not obtain?--lo, all shall be ours if we but dive deep within, even to the lotus of the heart, where dwells the Lord. Yea, the object of every right desire is within our reach, though unseen, concealed by a veil of illusion. Thus this will get dilluted in the consiousness of a person that see itself as separate and as things being "out there". It is not really "our will" but the will of the Divine One operating through us. Last edited by Luciddd; 11-18-2011 at 05:30 PM. |
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Put yourself in the right mood, don't fear yourself and genuinely ask yourself to sort this issue out for you. It's important to be honest, no need to put up a show or act, just bring up the importance in emotion, and simply ask the question to yourself. Do this during a few days, like 3 or 4 time's over a week. It's important to be genuine, make sure you don't get disturbed, works well when you just lie down to go to sleep, focus and be honest in that which you ask. I know it might sound like anything you might not fancy, still, what can I say! Try it and please let me know when you have been answered, I would appreciate that! Thanks, | |
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Hi Maya, there is a big difference between a prayer and the Law of Attraction. Like Jesus said 'Give Ceasar what is his and God what is His'. Why don't you communicate with God when it is about your spiritual development and about helping people and use the Law of Attraction when it comes to expressing your own creativity. A book in the LoA direction that might be helpful for your career 'The Winner's Bible' by Kerry Spackman. Good luck with everything! Zeitgeist |
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Thank you for all the suggestions. I do try to apply the LOA by staying positive, feeling the great joy now of having my wish come true but it becomes harder as time passes. I've been able to attract some great things in my life but having my business take off and be successful has eluded me up to now.
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If you have a belief in God that is not flexible, then you're going to keep getting frustrated when that belief doesn't yield fruit. Your expectations are driving your disappointments, not "God". Let go of the fixed idea of "God" and you'll be able to make sense out of His silence. If he's not there then now you can see why your prayers aren't answered. That forces you to save yourself and not wait for a miracle. Another way to look at it...You've got a natural ability (call it God-given if you want) to learn and grow. Waiting for a savior isn't using your natural talents and capabilities. | |
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My approach to life is that I'm the guy with the job of making my dreams come true. To do that I had to wake up, and one facet of my awakening was to accept the possibility that there are no gods to hear or answer prayers. I am the one who must hear and answer my own prayers. And I better be careful about what I "pray" for, what dreams I go after, because I might just get them. I am not trying to be funny. Your question is serious and so am I. Not sure if you can open yourself to any of this, but if you can, here are a few suggestions that have worked well for me in my life. Some of them came from the I-Ching, which in itself might turn you away, but here goes anyway: If you are not familiar with the I-Ching, ask Google. Or search these forums. Basically, you try to identify a question that reflects your true state of mind. In your case, it's "Why are some prayers not answered?" and "Why can't I get a job?" My experience with the I-Ching is that those are not the right kind of questions. Like prayer, be careful of how you word your questions, and try not to ask self-indulgent ones, which, like most prayers, tend to be "Oh God, help my team win the game." Or "Please god, take this cancer away." "Should I take this job with ABC Industries?" for example, treats the I-Ching as if it were a game, a god or a guru that can answer your question for you. Instead, ask questions that challenge you to answer the question from inside yourself. If I take this job, will I get what I really want? Will it put me on or take me off a path with heart? Where would my skills best fit into the lives of other people? What job am I qualified for that would enhance my sense of inclusiveness? Pretty sure you could do a better job than I can at finding a question that gets an answer from the god in you... --Bill |
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We tend to see money as the mover of the solid reality, because it provides stability in housing, living and produce concrete results. So we see money as "more solid" or "harded to get" because of that and because we are taught to believe money is designed to be hard to get, after all why is less than 1% of world population a millionaire and 99% poor to average joe? Your mind may try to rationalize "Well, everyone can get a girlfriend, friends or feel good. But money is different, money is concrete is hard to get." Is different only in your mind, remember try to no question if manifestation "is real or not" becuase then it could affect your result, do not see having a mansion tomorrow as more difficult than getting a girl or a handsome man to date you. If you can go to the shopping mall tomorrow and have a model become interested in you, why should getting what you want be more difficult? If the youtube owners could become billionaire in 24 hours (yes they did, seriously), why cant you? | |
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I consider myself a Christian, and prayer did absolutely NOTHING for me. But LOA has gotten me everything I ever needed (well almost everything, I'm still fairly young and I'm still waiting for some manifestations to happen). So that leaves 2 options: 1. Maybe LOA is the same as prayer. 2. Praying just simply doesnt work |
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Let go of your fear, and you will find encouragement. Just pay attention. | |
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I just finished a class on affirmative prayer. How are you praying? "Please God give me a job" or are you affirming the truth of your being. "Thank you God for all of the good that comes into my life. I know you are all-knowing, all-powerful, all-present, all-perfect, and most importantly all-good. And I know I am one with your power. It flows over me and through me. In this moment right employment is mine! I have a job I love! A career I love! I am earning a great income doing work that is great for me! I love my work. In fact, it's something that I enjoy so much that my work has actually become my play and that is one of my secrets to success with it. I give thanks for my amazing job and income and release it knowing this is done and so it is!" The difference between the vibe you put out between the first prayer and the second is HUGE. Here is how affirmative prayer works according to Agape Spiritual Center and the Science of Mind by Ernest Holmes. There's six main steps: 1. Gratitude - Say what you're grateful for. This sets the foundation for the prayer. 2. Recognition - Recognize one or more of God's qualities "I recognize that God is everywhere, flowing through everyone." 3. Unify - Unify with this presence. "God is flowing through everyone and God flows through me." 4. Realize - Say the opposite of whatever is bothering the person. For instance if they have money problems, "Where God is, abundance is. And God flows through us and blesses, inspires, and prospers us. We live in friendly universe that is always providing. God is all there is and we are blessed now." 5. Gratitude - "I thank God for all of our abundace." 6. Release - "And so it is!" or "Amen!" or both. And when I had a hard time finding a job, I went and volunteered for a few days and through some amazing occurences got offered a great job the next day. |
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What limiting beliefs you have about money? Write out all of your frustrations about this situation, and your limiting beliefs will be revealed. If you want help with it, then you can post it here. I also agree with Ron. Ask yourself who is the one responsible for your reality? |
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Also something to keep in mind is that the universe (or God) doesnt question what you pray for. You could literally pray for just about anything or everything. The trap many Christians fall in is they think the'yre not worthy of receiving great financial wealth. Or that God doesnt think its a good idea that you become a millionaire. This is all faulty thinking, God doesnt question why you need certain things, he just delivers (in due time). Thats his job |
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Wow... All these comments are really great. That's why I love this forum. My understanding now is that in praying is a much more self-directing activity than we usually think. That we answer our own prayers sounds partly true to me. Through working on our self-limiting beliefs and the unconscious, we grow and move toward what we want. Now I realize that it's not that my prayers are not being answered. It's just that I have to go through the process of learning my preferences, gaining in self-confidence and learning to trust my own mind. The past 8 months have been a great journey of growth with moments of frustrations and self-doubt. I like the process of affirmative prayer described by TonyToneTone. The release part is the most difficult. I am volunteering at a place where I feel great to contribute to the mission of the organization and I'm working on a business plan that has helped me feel more in control. |
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Awesome! But don't trust your mind. By "mind" I mean your logic. Trust your intelligence. When you're truly dealing with something you're experienced in, trust your intelligence. Where you KNOW that you don't know, where you don't have intelligence to trust, so realize that what your mind creates is logic and not truth. It creates an educated guess. Your mind guesses at what it thinks makes sense but don't trust it as though it's true. Instead, test it and watch the results, understanding that the process of growing your intelligence is from testing your beliefs, failing, reflecting on what was missing in your logic and learning and growing from the mistake. Let your mind do it's job, but realize that you don't know what you don't know so whenever you step into the unknown, you have to watch each step, looking for the flaws in your logic. Failure is part of success. There is no success without failure. Last edited by RonSouther; 11-19-2011 at 05:54 PM. | |
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| I've been practicing the LOA for a while (maybe 2 years |
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It's not a matter of "if" our prayers are answered. It's a matter of "when" we are ready to accept that which has always been ours. As stated in the 1st reference, "When one realizes that the whole problem of manifest results is more a matter of opening up the consciousness to see or include something which already exists in Fact, instead of trying to bring something that is not out into manifest form, then the matter will be much simpler." Your prayer is the seed. God is in Whom we live, move, and have our being. The prayer seed that you plant grows into the "experience of your prayer answered" because you have planted it in the only place that KNOWS HOW TO grow your request "seed" INTO experience.....God withn YOU. The soil, the seed, and God ALREADY KNOW WHAT TO DO, automatically, and with no further assistance from you whatsoever, exactly how to turn a seed or a "seed prayer" into a perfect representative of its kind. The ground doesn't need your faith to grow plants, does it? .....neither does the Creator, Who is....."The Ground of Being". You only need to understand that it is the ACT of planting it in yourself (i.e. the ground of your being) and LEAVING it there that grows your desire into experience, NOT whether you have faith in the soil's ability to grow plants. YOU DO NOT MANIFEST ANYTHING, any more than you CAUSE a plant to grow into a bloom. Your responsibility is simply to plant the seed you want. Do you see ? It is all about clarity of YOUR intent….stated IN THE PRESENT….and ACCEPTED IN THE PRESENT. By YOU ! If you've ever had the experience of wanting to buy a new car or had a desire to remember something you forgot, then you know what the law of attraction is. The mechanism of "attraction" is simply this: ACCEPTING, not wishing for, WHAT YOU WANT….NOW. It’s very much like how a Tom-Tom or Garmin GPS system works in your automobile. You recognize that the GPS acts like a single system, right ? That’s because to IT, ALL the “points of reference” (i.e. places you CAN go) exist within the system…..NOW, no matter where YOU are in relation to ANY of them. With some GPS models configured with 6 million or more “points of reference”, all YOU have to do is TELL THE GPS WHERE YOU WANT TO GO, so that the GPS can tell you HOW TO GET THERE ! Just as the GPS, in conjunction with orbiting satellites, all act as a single unit to convey your intention in this metaphor I described, SO DOES YOUR OWN MIND, but... ....with a crucial difference between the GPS metaphor and Reality. And that is......that YOUR MIND works in conjunction with an "operating system", which in Reality is.....the ENTIRETY OF CREATION, seen and unseen....operating AS ONE.....AT ONCE.....to do so. The only time you CAN state your intent (desire) IS now. And the only time you can receive your desire (or solution, or arrive at your destination, etc.) IS now, as well. So between the time you ASK and the time you RECEIVE is.......only NOW ! THERE IS NO OTHER TIME, BUT NOW ! There IS NO past. There is no FUTURE ! What we call past or future is just a different part of NOW, that is not divided at ANY point or time, whatsoever. ALL IS NOW ! because ALL IS ONE, which includes you asking AND you receiving....and all times in between.....NOW. Do you see ? We've been erroneously taught that FIRST we must ask, THEN we can receive. Why is that wrong ? Think about it. "Perfection does not come from projecting our own ideas but from awakening to the knowledge that it is already the established order of things.".....as indicated in the 1st reference. The solutions we seek PRECEDE our need.....exactly like the availability of air precedes our need to breathe it. If the answer (solution) were not ALREADY true, and truly within YOU.....you would not be ABLE to recognize (RE - cognize) the Truth of it AS the answer (solution) !! 2+2=4,....even BEFORE you compute it !! .....NOW, right ? In the same way, ALL Principles of Life are True, Perfect, and Immutable....BEFORE you are even ABLE to know them or utilize them..... When you understand that all the principles of Life are ALWAYS consistent with Truth, without variation, deviation, or attenuation for anybody, at any time, or any place, then you'll begin to see that the real test in Life, is to live KNOWING the difference....between TRUTH and belief, and that the consequences of your actions WILL occur just as certainly as 2+2=4, truthfully, invariably, perfectly......and unavoidably. You accept what you want now because you are ALREADY CONNECTED to whatever the solution is, or wherever it is......NOW. "When you pray, believe that what you have asked is yours. It is done unto you as you believe." Substitute the word "KNOW" for "believe". "When you pray, KNOW that what you have asked is yours. It is done unto you as you KNOW"......when you KNOW truly that it is so (without doubting). Why ? Because doubt is really "accepting" an ALTERNATIVE outcome, WHILE HOPING that it doesn't happen. Using the GPS metaphor, again, doubt is like telling yourself where you want to go.....BUT INPUTTING A DESTINATION INTO THE GPS OTHER THAN THE ONE YOU SAY YOU REALLY WANT. Where do YOU think the "system" will take you......perfectly ? To the ALTERNATE destination YOU inputted, right ? Not to the solution you really wanted, BUT didn't INPUT. Do you see ? No different than how your OWN mind operates, in conjunction with the entirety of Creation WORKING AS ONE....PERFECTLY !....to take YOU to the "alternate" destination (solution) you TOLD YOURSELF about with doubt.... instead of the outcome you wanted ! THAT'S WHY you clearly state what you WANT TO HAPPEN (clarity), not what you HOPE DOESN'T HAPPEN (doubt). THAT IS THE secret (law of attraction) ! .....ACCEPTING THAT WHAT YOU DESIRE IS ALREADY TRULY YOURS !! .....EXACTLY LIKE 2+2=4 EVEN BEFORE YOU COMPUTE IT ! or...exactly like the availability of air (prayer answered) precedes our need to breathe it (prayer request).....or we would not even be able to breath (pray) at all !! Does the secret (law of attraction) really work? YES !!!...... PERFECTLY ! as based on YOUR CLEARLY STATED and FIRMLY ACCEPTED INTENT (input) . You do NOT need to wish for the perfect solution, because it ALREADY IS TRUE ! Do NOT wish.....KNOW ! The law of attraction is really only 4 steps (again, think of the GPS): 1. CLEARLY ACCEPTING that what you want (i.e. where you want to go) already exists (RIGHT NOW !) BEFORE you experience it (i.e. “arrive”) 2. CLEARLY STATING TO YOURSELF what you want (where you want to be). 3.CLEARLY INPUTTING what you want into the very mechanism whose SOLE purpose is to RECEIVE and ACT UPON YOUR CLEAR INPUT.....your OWN MIND. 4.“LETTING” (not begging or forcing !) the system “TELL YOU HOW TO GET THERE” or “bring IT to YOU”. NOTHING ABOUT THIS PROCESS involves ANY wishing or pleading or hoping, whatsoever. IT IS ALL ABOUT KNOWING and ACCEPTING...BEFOREHAND, not about wishing or doubting ! As indicated in the 2nd reference, "In the last analysis there is but one treatment given for anything that is desired. That treatment consists in convincing the mind that the thing desired is already accomplished...." It goes on to say, "Treatment is not for the purpose of making things happen; it is to provide, within ourselves, an avenue through which they may happen. Treatment opens up the avenues of thought, expands the consciousness, and lets Reality through; it clarifies the mentality, removes the obstructions of thought and lets in the Light. We already live in a Perfect Universe, but It needs to be mentally seen before It can become a part of our experience." Creation PERFECTLY KNOWS where you are, IN RELATION to the destination, or the solution, or the job....which EXISTS RIGHT THIS MOMENT, whether you are focused on it or not. ....because CREATION is One....and YOU are inseparably one with EVERYTHING in It. There are NO gaps or separations between you and ANYTHING in Creaton. This includes all the "points of action" required to manifest you AS the solution, desire, or destination. Not "to" you....."as" you. Because….the destination, or the solution, or the desire is NOT attracted TO you. The destination, or the solution, or the desire IS YOU...EXPERIENCING IT !! YOU ARE the VERY experience OF the destination, or the solution, or the desire…..NOW !! ALL YOU NEED TO DO is accept that it's yours....NOW.....and "let" ALL OF CREATION create the experience OF you becoming your desire. Finally, as your desire is being transformed into your "experience of it", continually nurture your desire with expectant, loving thoughts of the good you will receive by LIVING YOUR THANKS...before and after you receive it....(see the excellent narrative in the 3rd source, especially the last line in Chapter 14!) Hope this helps !! Source(s): Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East Volumes 1 - 6 by Baird T. Spalding Questions and Answers on the Science of Mind by Ernest Holmes & Alberta Smith http://www.lightisreal.com/YourInvisiblePower.pdf Last edited by guthrio; 11-22-2011 at 02:24 PM. | |
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Try candles. I have treid prosperity adn oneh draw candlesm but also try the Lakshmi Candle by Coventry creations. They sell online and at candle shops. You can call them and find out where they are sold in your area, or order online. You can call them to ask about which candle is best for you. Also Luckhy Mojo or possible people in your area. Good luck!
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For you to get the most out of the law of attraction, feeling good has to be natural to you. It has to be your default state and part of your being. You can't just try to feel good, or try to apply the LoA. You should feel good and abundant almost all the time. This comes from letting go of most/all resistance and limiting beliefs. Hope that helps a bit. | |
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It sounds to me like either you're trying too hard, Maya. Or you're worrying too much about not being successfull. Both of those are negative energy. You need to just "Let go, and let God" so to speak |
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