Subjective vs. Objective reality

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by Luciddd

What did you just quotes? Can you explain more about it?

It's from ALG's post, permalink #106.

[Luciddd]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Hypnosis is a specialised way of thinking thoughts and forming & altering beliefs. In turn, "reality" is shaped, created and changed by thoughts and beliefs.

The big difficulty of changing your thoughts and altering your beliefs is that you (or people in general) tend to cling hard to pre-existing notions of what is "real". This clinging (or attachment) makes it difficult for you (or people in general) to change their minds about the various aspects of reality.

For example, Apopohis thinks that a tree is "real". Out of this concept, he builds other concepts, such as how trees ought to behave, and what they can do, and what they can't do. These concepts are so strong that trees will generally behave in ways unsurprising to Apopohis. In other words, trees will behave in a "realistic" manner, in Apopohis's reality.

One way to release some of these limits is to bear in mind that trees aren't actually "real". In fact they are mostly empty space. Like a Zen question that stuns the conceptual mind, the notion that trees aren't "real", aren't even "there", then frees you to select other thoughts and beliefs about trees - thoughts and beliefs which you would otherwise find too bizarre, unusual or ridiculous to accept.

To the extent that you can free yourself from those mental constraints, you will be able to shape your reality as you wish, through your thoughts. Here's an example from Jesus, who decides to kill a tree with his thoughts:



Admittedly, not much value in killing a poor tree like that - I wouldn't do it, even if I could.

Is this from the apocryphal books?

I read it a long time ago, but as I remember it it was Peter, not Jesus which cursed the tree. Then when Peter complained to Jesus about it, Jesus schooled him.

Unless, it is another part which I didnt read though.

If you can kill a tree, why not simply create said fruit? Or order your body to cease being hungry.

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by Apopohis Reject

Indeed Irisha, it could well mean immortality, and what's more I think you may well have a darn good idea about what was behind my making that post, huh?

I am pretty serious about immortality. Have you heard about the latest news in science ? - they have invented the method to make an Electronic Human by gradually substituting the whole ...body... by artificial parts with electronic chips (in case something in the ...hmm... body ..... is worn out and cannot be fixed). This Electronic Human will have consciousness of the former original person, and scientists call this new breakthrough directly and openly - Immortality of the Human.

[Apopohis Reject]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

For example, Apopohis thinks that a tree is "real". Out of this concept, he builds other concepts, such as how trees ought to behave, and what they can do, and what they can't do. These concepts are so strong that trees will generally behave in ways unsurprising to Apopohis. In other words, trees will behave in a "realistic" manner, in Apopohis's reality.

One way to release some of these limits is to bear in mind that trees aren't actually "real". In fact they are mostly empty space. Like a Zen question that stuns the conceptual mind, the notion that trees aren't "real", aren't even "there", then frees you to select other thoughts and beliefs about trees - thoughts and beliefs which you would otherwise find too bizarre, unusual or ridiculous to accept.

I really can't believe you are still harping on about this, even after I've posted numerous times that I ACCEPT/ACKNOWLEDGE/AGREE/EMBRACE your assessment - as I understand it right now. What else do you need for me to do?

Would you like me to come to you and wash your feet with my tears?

It's merely the definition of the word that you can't seemingly to get your head around, but hey I'll even accept your definition, for it isn't that far from mine and there are many more worthy causes than that, to fight over. Yet it appears even that isn't going to be enough for you.

Or on the other hand perhaps you've advanced far enough to be able to walk through the empty space in a tree like an aparition, so have an entirely different reality to me??? If not, then accept we live in precisely the same universe, same reality, even if we may see it a little differently.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Luciddd

Is this from the apocryphal books?

Jesus and the Fig Tree

If you can kill a tree, why not simply create said fruit? Or order your body to cease being hungry.

I dunno, ask Jesus.

It's not as if he hasn't plucked food out of thin air before. Jesus feeding 5,000 people with fish and bread, remember.

It's a repeat of an old trick by the prophet Elisha.

[Luciddd]

Speaking of Jesus

""The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light."

Could this be a reference to the third eye?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Apopohis Reject

Or on the other hand perhaps you've advanced far enough to be able to walk through the empty space in a tree like an aparition, so have an entirely different reality to me???

This is going to surprise you, but I've had the experience of walking through a wall. Actually this is a standard component of one lesson of a well-known course known as the Silva Method which you could also sign up for, if you were interested.

Ex-forummer Tom Booth has also related how he helped his brother's car to pass through a electric pole, ummm, yes, in apparition-style. Kinda saved his brother's life, in a car accident. Read his account here.

Having everything you've ever dreamed in the next ten seconds.

My wife also walked through solid glass doors before, although not quite in the way you might expect. And there were certain unintended consequences. (I just tried to do a search, but my old post didn't come up) ...

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

My wife also walked through solid glass doors before, although not quite in the way you might expect. And there were certain unintended consequences. (I just tried to do a search, but my old post didn't come up) ...

Oh, here it is - this thread:

controlling other people

You need to read Post No. 20 and No. 36 - you only get the full story, if you read both.

[Acting Like Godot]

Oh yeah, Milarepa did a related sort of trick, with big solid rock. He pressed his hand on it and made an imprint.

That was 800 years ago, the rock is still around. Here's a modern account from someone who went to see the rock recently:

The Science of Miracles - Gregg Braden - Heal Your Life

Bold italics below are mine.

I’d first heard about Milarepa from a Sikh mystic who became my yoga teacher in the 1980s. For years, I’d studied the mystery surrounding the yogi’s journey throughout the remote mountains of China’s Western plateau and the secrets that his devotion had revealed. In 1998, I led a group pilgrimage into Tibet following a route that would take us directly to Milarepa’s cave. Nineteen days after the trip began, I found myself in the thin air of a cave hidden 16,000 feet above sea level, standing precisely where the great yogi had stood nearly 800 years before. With my face only inches away from the wall of the cave, I was staring squarely into the mystery that he had left behind.

To demonstrate his mastery of the physical world, Milarepa had placed his open hand against the cave’s wall at shoulder level, and then continued to push his hand deep into the rock in front of him, as if the wall did not exist! When he did so, the rock beneath his palm became soft and malleable as he left the imprint of his hand embedded in the stone for all to see.

As I opened my palm and placed it into the impression of Milarepa’s hand, I could feel my fingertips cradled in the precise position that the yogi’s fingers had assumed eight centuries earlier—a feeling that was both humbling and inspiring at the same time. The fit was so perfect that any doubt I had about the authenticity of the handprint quickly disappeared. Immediately, my thoughts turned to the man himself. I wanted to know what was happening to him when the rock softened to his touch. What was he thinking? What was he feeling? What did he change within himself that allowed him to defy the “laws” telling us that two physical things—like human flesh and a rock—can’t be in the same place, at the same time?

In anticipation of my question, our Tibetan translator, Xjin-la (pronounced jen la) answered before I even spoke the words. “He has belief,” Xjin-la stated in a matter-of-fact voice. The geshe he said, (the Tibetan word for great teacher) believes that he and the rock are not separate. The rock cannot contain him. To him, this cave is not a wall, so he can move freely as if the rock does not exist.”

In the face of an event like Milarepa’s breach of physical laws, we must reconcile our direct experience with what our family, friends, and culture accept as the reality of our world. The qualities of a cave’s stone wall depend upon the way we think of them. Before Milarepa’s students witnessed the possibility that their teacher showed them, for example, they believed that the rock was a barrier to the human body. After their teacher’s demonstration, their beliefs changed. Both views are accurate. Each one depends upon the way we think of our world—it’s all about what we choose to believe.

So the question that we must ask ourselves is simply this: Could the same thing be happening in our lives today? As far-fetched as this question may sound in light of our scientific knowledge and technological advances, modern scientists now describe a similar irony. Using the language of quantum physics rather than yogic miracles, a growing number of leading-edge scientists suggest that the universe and everything in it—including the healing of our bodies—“is” what it “is” because of the force of consciousness itself. Interestingly, the more we understand the relationship between consciousness, our inner experiences, and our world, the less far-fetched this suggestion becomes.

Oh, here's Milarepa's handprint:

[Apopohis Reject]

Originally Posted by Luciddd

Speaking of Jesus

""The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light."

Could this be a reference to the third eye?

Actually it's a reference to our biggest problem and a hint towards the solution for this problem. We are in fact being shown that we have an unhealthy dichotomy going on in our perception - ie. our spiritual (non-physical) imaging of our reality.

Yet it is a little easier to visualise in a physical sense, which is how it is being explained here. We (physically) see the (physical) world through two (physical) eyes, which through the normal process that takes place in the brain; between the two retinas and our interpretation of what they have picked up; being two separated images, which are then merged into the one image we recognise.

This is healthy vision and with it we receive the clarity of physical perception we desire. But now add some disruption into this process and we might end up with double-vision, which may sound like an advantage, but can be like it would be better to have none at all.

So it is with our SPIRITUAL perception. Rather than our physical eyes, this time the two sources are our Objective and Subjective perceptions. Again, unless these are merged in the optimum manner, we end up with a spiritual double-vision according perception, and as such we receive very little spiritual light (understanding of reality) - indeed into the soul; being in turn; the fullness of being that we are.

[Luciddd]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

This is going to surprise you, but I've had the experience of walking through a wall. Actually this is a standard component of one lesson of a well-known course known as the Silva Method which you could also sign up for, if you were interested.

Ex-forummer Tom Booth has also related how he helped his brother's car to pass through a electric pole, ummm, yes, in apparition-style. Kinda saved his brother's life, in a car accident. Read his account here.

Having everything you've ever dreamed in the next ten seconds.

My wife also walked through solid glass doors before, although not quite in the way you might expect. And there were certain unintended consequences. (I just tried to do a search, but my old post didn't come up) ...

How do you walk through a solid? How?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Luciddd

How do you walk through a solid? How?

LOL, I cheated a bit in my description .... It sounds more dramatic than it really is.

But sign up for the course, it will open your eyes to lots of different things, not just this.

Really, there's little practical value in walking through a wall. Just use the door instead.

There are far more practical things you can learn from the Silva Method course, such as psychic diagnosis. Here's an account of one example of my wife doing it:

She just pulled off a rather remarkable one. It’s a little embarrassing for me to write about it, but i’ve decided to do so anyway.

Sometime last year, we took a course in the Silva Method, which is basically a system that teaches an assortment of mind techniques. One of the strange things we learned was how to heal others with our own mind power (like in faith healing, or reiki). And one of the skills we learned in this area was firstly, to psychically diagnose people and sense whether they had any medical problems, and if so, where was the medical problem.

The psychic diagnosis part goes like this. You go to alpha. You think of the person you want to diagnose. You imagine his personal energy field, in the shape of a body, in front of you. You stretch out your hands, and “feel” the energy field, and you will be able to feel his state of health. Note: the real person doesn’t have to be in front of you; in fact, he doesn’t have to be anywhere near you at all.

Of course this takes practice. I never really practised this one very much, so I’m not very confident at this.

Anyway, the latest story goes like this.

Sometime last week, my wife told me that she’d done a psychic scan on me. She said that she detected that there was something wrong with my anus. I laughed like crazy. I said, “NO, there is nothing wrong with my anus.” We forgot about the matter.

Three days ago, my anus started to hurt a little. Once there was even a little blood on the toilet paper, after I’d passed motion and wiped myself. I dismissed it and still didn’t connect it with what my wife had diagnosed.

Today, my anus was still hurting. I was showering just now and I touched myself there, and suddenly I realised that I could feel a kind of ball-like growth, just inside the anus. It was round and smooth and quite large.

I panicked, went to see the doctor just now, who said that it was nothing to worry about, it was just piles, a common thing. She prescribed a cream and some oral medication.

Well, this is the first time in my life that I’ve had piles.

But the thing about this whole episode is that:

(1) it proves again that all this energy healing stuff is genuine; and

(3) my wife is really very precise and accurate at it!

[Luciddd]

This make me wonder, what will happen if one who has 100% mastered this show this to a hardcore skeptic..... no not even a skeptic, a naysayer?

If the naysayer will totally reject it, will the master experience a reality where the naysayer saw it but the naysayer will experience a reality where the master failed?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Luciddd

This make me wonder, what will happen if one who has 100% mastered this show this to a hardcore skeptic..... no not even a skeptic, a naysayer?

If the naysayer will totally reject it, will the master experience a reality where the naysayer saw it but the naysayer will experience a reality where the master failed?

Well, you'll just have to imagine what the crowd would have said, when Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, or something like that.

Some members of the crowd would have said, "Ooooh! An amazing miracle!"

Others would have said, "What a fraud! Lazarus must have been faking his death all this time."

[Luciddd]

Sometimes I have wondered if those "I CANT BELIEVE IT!" dreams that seem too rea bar from the extraordinary situation, werent dreams until the point came where my mind simply couldnt accept it on any ground.

[seeds]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

This is going to surprise you, but I've had the experience of walking through a wall...

...My wife also walked through solid glass doors before...

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

To the extent that you can free yourself from those mental constraints, you will be able to shape your reality as you wish, through your thoughts. Here's an example from Jesus, who decides to kill a tree with his thoughts:

Admittedly, not much value in killing a poor tree like that - I wouldn't do it, even if I could.

"...even if I could..."

ALG, you just said that you can walk through walls and your wife can walk through glass doors. Surely, mentally causing a little tree to wither or instantly produce fruit is within your grasp, right?

In the Jesus story above, Peter was able to actually "see" the results of Jesus' "curse" that withered the fig tree. Therefore, it should be easy enough for you to video tape, or arrange for a live television broadcast of this ability that you and your wife possess.

In which case, just like Peter, the rest of us will be able to see the extent to which you and your wife have freed yourselves from "mental constraints."

So then, how 'bout it?


seeds

[Acting Like Godot]

And the purpose of this would be ...?

A few years ago, I was very interested in manifesting money. I'd write here on these forums and say, "Ok, I'm going to manifest for thousands of dollars, I have no idea from where, but I'd expect it to come really fast."

A few days would pass, then weird things would happen, and hey presto, the thousands of dollars would find some way to arrive in my reality, from some unexpected source. At that time, i'd write all the details and even scan all the relevant documents, cheques, letters, contracts etc and post them on this forum as proof.

And some people would say, "0ooh, that is amazing! I feel so inspired, thank you for sharing your story!". And others would say, "It is just by coincidence that this happened, a short time after you manifested." and yet others would say, "You're lying and faking these documents."

That is why the Buddha disliked performing miracles. Don't take it from me, look it up yourself with Google. Buddha's own teachings talk a lot about gaining enlightenment, but say nothing about miracles. The accounts given by people around him however show that he did perform quite awesome miracles but did not like attention to be drawn to them.

Principally, there were two reasons for this. Firstly, the Buddha did not like people to be distracted from the ultimate goal of enlightenment, by the spectacular pyrotechnics of miracles. Secondly, the Buddha simply did not like dealing with skeptics and accusations of fraud etc. So he kept most miracles quite private or when he felt a strong need to perform them, to deal with a given situation.

As for myself, I also do not like to explore paranormal stuff just because it's paranormal. These things can go wrong; have gone wrong on me; can lead to unpleasant consequences. If you want to know one specific example of what I mean, look up old posts on my views on channelling. I generally advise people against this, because in my experience and in my view, unpleasant entities can come through.

That is why I now restrict my LOA activities to highly practical purposes. I will manifest for a wide range of practical things - money; good health; new jobs; taxis; instant cures to headaches; quick fixes for damaged electrical appliances etc etc - but i do not go and play with the paranormal for the fun of it.

Finally, it's important to note that not all miracle-makers are alike. You make miracles (or paranormal effects) to the extent you are able to bend, stretch or flex your mind in different ways. But what Jesus could do with his mind was probably not exactly the same as what Buddha could do, or Milarepa could do, or Said Baba could do, or Matthew Manning, or Simon Magus, or Saint Francis Of Assisi, or Osho, or John Chang, or Erin Pavlina, or Daniel Dunglas Home, or Nostradamus, or Uri Geller, or that Brazilian healer nicknamed "John of God", or Moses. Etc etc, just naming a few individuals.

They are all different people, with different personalities, different philosophies and different minds. What happened was that each of them, in their own way, understood that their minds could interact with reality, and each of them explored this phenomenon, in their own way, producing in some cases strikingly similar effects and in other cases very different ones.

And I too am exploring in my own way .... And so are plenty of other people in the world.

If you want videos and other evidence of the paranormal, go look for them yourself. There are plenty, plenty, plenty! If I added a couple more, they would not be any significant addition to the overall library. Go to Youtube, look up the videos of John Chang setting fire to objects with his mind, look up the videos of Nina Kulagina. Look up the scientific papers in Nature by Russell Targ on Uri Geller, or the one about the Tibetan monks generating body heat to dry wet sheets. Look at Erin Pavlina's photos of orbs when she went to tHat haunted place with a team of people. Google Sam Shoeman and see how he killed himself with nothing but his own mind. Alex Lenkei's entire surgery without anaesthesia was fully videotaped by the hospital authorities! Etc etc. So much evidence in the world! But because skeptics are also the powerful creators of their reality, such evidence cannot change their reality unless they are prepared to change their own minds.

Here, a small tidbit to titillate your imagination. Phenomena like this is quite well-known in China, just not well-known to the rest of the world

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Here is the same telekinetic "mind over matter" ability, applied in a different context:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

And another one, same idea:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[seeds]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

And the purpose of this would be ...?

The purpose would be to put up or shut up.

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

A few years ago, I was very interested in manifesting money. I'd write here on these forums and say, "Ok, I'm going to manifest for thousands of dollars, I have no idea from where, but I'd expect it to come really fast."

A few days would pass, then weird things would happen, and hey presto, the thousands of dollars would find some way to arrive in my reality, from some unexpected source. At that time, i'd write all the details and even scan all the relevant documents, cheques, letters, contracts etc and post them on this forum as proof.

And some people would say, "0ooh, that is amazing! I feel so inspired, thank you for sharing your story!". And others would say, "It is just by coincidence that this happened, a short time after you manifested." and yet others would say, "You're lying and faking these documents."

(IMO) there is absolutely no comparison to mentally setting the wheels of life into motion that somehow delivers an errant pizza to your front door because you happen to be thinking about pizza, and that of mentally affecting the laws of physics to the extent that you could change the quantum fabric of that pizza to present itself as a raccoon just by thinking it.

The objective reality of this universe is not connected to your personal will in the same way that the subjective reality of your own mind is connected to your will.

No matter how much you boast, just as you cannot reach into my mind or Apopohis Reject's mind to grasp and wield the substance that comprises our personal thoughts and dreams, likewise, the same applies to the substance of the universe (God's mind).

It doesn't belong to you ALG.


seeds

[Acting Like Godot]

But none of this alters the laws of physics.

More precisely, Newtonian physics are defied, but it all fits nicely with quantum physics / mechanics.

For instance, we already know from quantum physics that the principle of locality does not have to apply. Distance is irrelevant - one thing happening in one part of the universe can affect another thing in another part of the world at the speed of light.

We also know that time is also irrelevant. With quantum entanglement, the behaviour of a particle in the present can affect the behavior of a particle in the past.

If you grasp all that, you will see why apparently impossible things can be doe - such as psychics seeing the future; or sensing what happened in the past even though they were not there to witness events; or faith healing occurring over long distances.

All of these are possible, because time and distance can be quite irrelevant, counter-intuitive as it may sound.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by seeds

The objective reality of this universe is not connected to your personal will in the same way that the subjective reality of your own mind is connected to your will.

But your assertion is unscientific.

Here is a publication in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, about an experiment that shows otherwise. In this experiment, the thoughts of a group of people affect the molecular structure of substances thousands of miles away:

Radin, D., Lund, N., Emoto, M., Kizu, T. (2008). Effects of distant intention on water crystal formation: A triple-blind replication. Journal of Scientific Exploration, 22(4), 481-493.

No matter how much you boast, just as you cannot reach into my mind or Apopohis Reject's mind to grasp and wield the substance that comprises our personal thoughts and dreams, likewise, the same applies to the substance of the universe (God's mind).

I probably cannot (and wouldn't be interested - not in your kind of mind anyway). But here is a scientific paper on an experiment about two psychics who did it for an experiment. The paper was reported in one of the most respected scientific journals in the world.

Targ, R. and Puthoff, H. (1975) “Information transfer under conditions of sensory shielding.” Nature, 251, 602-607.

[seeds]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

But none of this alters the laws of physics.

More precisely, Newtonian physics are defied, but it all fits nicely with quantum physics / mechanics.

For instance, we already know from quantum physics that the principle of locality does not have to apply. Distance is irrelevant - one thing happening in one part of the universe can affect another thing in another part of the world at the speed of light.

If you are going to use quantum physics concepts in your responses, then get your facts straight.

The speed at which quantum entities affect each other across vast stretches of the universe is “instantaneous,” making something traveling at the “speed of light” appear to be standing still in comparison.

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

We also know that time is also irrelevant. With quantum entanglement, the behaviour of a particle in the present can affect the behavior of a particle in the past.

If you grasp all that, you will see why apparently impossible things can be doe - such as psychics seeing the future; or sensing what happened in the past even though they were not there to witness events; or faith healing occurring over long distances.

All of these are possible, because time and distance can be quite irrelevant, counter-intuitive as it may sound.

Everything you stated above is totally irrelevant to the point I made earlier.

I reiterate:

The quantum fabric composing the objects of the universe does not belong to you in such a way that would allow you to wield and restructure it like you can with the fabric of your own mind.

You are the literal "God" of the interior substance your own personal mind, nothing else.


seeds

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Luciddd

The pain hypnosis thing may refer that it is possible because nothing is real, if there was really an "out there" then it would be more difficult to do so.

Yes, it's more useful to see that there is no 'out there', which is not really confirmed by the proportion of empty space in an object. It's also useful to notice that experience follows thought, and hypnosis seems to point in that direction, as does the experience of manifestation and synchronicities.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Correct. I was referring to your disdain in the previous discussions.

Not sure what previous discussions you are referring to, but I'll assume you mean the focus on manifesting your heart's desire. I don't have a problem with that, but it never set anybody free. I'm more focused on the collapse of beliefs. there is a practical approach to this, but i don't think anybody is interested in that.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Hypnosis is a specialised way of thinking thoughts and forming & altering beliefs. In turn, "reality" is shaped, created and changed by thoughts and beliefs.

The big difficulty of changing your thoughts and altering your beliefs is that you (or people in general) tend to cling hard to pre-existing notions of what is "real". This clinging (or attachment) makes it difficult for you (or people in general) to change their minds about the various aspects of reality.

For example, Apopohis thinks that a tree is "real". Out of this concept, he builds other concepts, such as how trees ought to behave, and what they can do, and what they can't do. These concepts are so strong that trees will generally behave in ways unsurprising to Apopohis. In other words, trees will behave in a "realistic" manner, in Apopohis's reality.

One way to release some of these limits is to bear in mind that trees aren't actually "real". In fact they are mostly empty space. Like a Zen question that stuns the conceptual mind, the notion that trees aren't "real", aren't even "there", then frees you to select other thoughts and beliefs about trees - thoughts and beliefs which you would otherwise find too bizarre, unusual or ridiculous to accept.

To the extent that you can free yourself from those mental constraints, you will be able to shape your reality as you wish, through your thoughts. Here's an example from Jesus, who decides to kill a tree with his thoughts:



Admittedly, not much value in killing a poor tree like that - I wouldn't do it, even if I could.

Jesus sounds like somebody you didn't want to pi*s off.
Yes, I understand how the whole 99% space deally might jar one's preconceptions a bit, I just don't see it as particularly powerful in that regard. Just my perception.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Luciddd

Is this from the apocryphal books?

I read it a long time ago, but as I remember it it was Peter, not Jesus which cursed the tree. Then when Peter complained to Jesus about it, Jesus schooled him.

Unless, it is another part which I didnt read though.

If you can kill a tree, why not simply create said fruit? Or order your body to cease being hungry.

Good question. Maybe Peter killed it and somebody didn't want to give Peter that much power and did some editing.

[Placebo23]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

I'm more focused on the collapse of beliefs. there is a practical approach to this, but i don't think anybody is interested in that.

I'm interested in it, especially in collapsing the belief that I'm a person. It's such a hard one.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Placebo23

I'm interested in it, especially in collapsing the belief that I'm a person. It's such a hard one.

I'll PM when I get a second......

[Acting Like Godot]

Now I would like to elaborate on how to walk through a wall, apparition-style.

First, a little more background on where and when I did this. I did this while attending the Silva Method course, where everybody had to walk through wallls.

What is the Silva Method course? I would describe it as a course that teaches a combination of certain mind techniques - including ESP, LOA, RV, reiki, channelling and creative visualisation. What the course does is blend these different components into a single system with various specfic tools. You can easily google "Silva Method" or its founder "Jose Silva" to find out more.

The part about walking through a wall is an expanded version of remote viewing. If you do not know what is remote viewing, click some of these links - here, here and here. Essentially, RV is about mentally projecting yourself to other places, so that you can see what's going on there. For example, you could sit on a sofa in your living room, but project yourself (or try to project) to a location thousands of miles away, to see what's happening there.

(Naturally this kind of stuff has been of interest to the military and intelligence agencies, but in ordinary life, it turns out to have relatively few applications).

In the Silva Method of RV, you do not merely try to "see" a place. You will instead visualise yourself being physically there. You then walk around the place and see if you can successfully gather information.

Naturally, not everyone is going to be able to do this on their first try. It takes practice. To know whether you're succeeded, you would need independent corroboration. Without the benefit of scientifically controlled conditions, the only way you get your corroboration is if you have anecdotal evidence like this -

-- you project yourself to a familiar place (eg your uncle's home)

-- you detect something which you had not known before (eg you see that your uncle has got a new cupboard with three shelves and four drawers, on the left wall of the first bedroom on the 2nd floor.

-- you call your uncle to check, and he tells you that yes, last week he just bought a new cupboard with three shelves and four drawers, and he has placed it on the left wall of the first bedroom on the 2nd floor.

To stretch your confidence during the Silva Method, you are also asked to do a variety of things. For example, you are asked to visualise yourself walking through a wall and experiencing what the wall is like. You are also asked to try merging with a tree, or a coin. You will experience that merging with a wall feels different from merging with a tree or merging with a coin. But it is difficult to explain with words - it would be like explaining the taste of potatoes to someone who has not eaten them before.

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Personally I am not a fan of RV. It is an interesting topic but it doesn't have much practical application, at least for me. It doesn't feel easy to me either. Generally you can classify the esoteric mind tools into two broad categories - the passive/receptive (where you seek to receive information) and the active/creative (where you seek to mould and create). My wife does well with the passive/receptive; I do better with the active/creative stuff.

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Phenomena like this is quite well-known in China, just not well-known to the rest of the world

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Here is the same telekinetic "mind over matter" ability, applied in a different context:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

And another one, same idea:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Wow, I even got inspired that there may be people who would be able to cope with such a problem as MrG.
Are these telekinetic abilities so wide-spread in China?
If it could be possible to use these abilities distantly over many thousands of miles... - do you know any examples?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by seeds

The quantum fabric composing the objects of the universe does not belong to you in such a way that would allow you to wield and restructure it like you can with the fabric of your own mind.

You are the literal "God" of the interior substance your own personal mind, nothing else.

But you are wrong, you see.

Let me give you a simple example. Your skin is an object of the universe. Skin also turns out to be highly susceptible to the workings of the mind. There are many studies, for instance, that show that hypnosis can be used to heal eczema and psoriasis.

Your flesh is also an object of the universe. It also turns out to be highly susceptible to the workings of the mind. For example, here's a study from Harvard which shows that hypnosis can used to accelerate the healing of surgical wounds.

Can medical hypnosis accelerate post-surgical... [Am J Clin Hypn. 2003] - PubMed - NCBI

Actually Harvard also has research showing that thinking healing thoughts, during a hypnotic trance, helps to accelerate the healing of broken bones as well.

So that's already three examples of objects in the universe - skin, flesh and bone - which can be affected by the workings of your mind.