Subjective vs. Objective reality

[Luciddd]

Originally Posted by seeds

I think that part of the answer is in the acronym itself – NDE, “Near” Death Experience.

“Near" death means they have not yet experienced a complete and total awakening into the full consciousness of their mind and of their ultimate form, which, in turn, precludes a full awareness of the actual conditions on the “other side.”

From my perspective, they are still connected to the universe via a mental “umbilical cord” that not only keeps their spirit tethered to their physical body and to the inner dimension of the universe (God’s “spirit body”), but is also the reason for not being able to awaken “fully” into the context of the “outer” dimension.

Of course, like you, I am not familiar will the details of every NDE experience.

However, it seems that none of the returnees from the experience can give a precise and definitive answer regarding the truth of what “lies beyond.”

Nevertheless, they all appear to have a complete confidence in the fact that their life and their personal self-awareness will continue-on after death.

Remember what I suggested in a prior post, that “full disclosure” of our ultimate destiny could breach the order of God’s “reproductive system.”

Therefore, just as all humans on earth cannot be allowed to see what literally lies on the other side of the “veil”, likewise, the same goes for those who have momentarily “bungee-jumped” through the veil in a NDE.

I believe that for the sake of preserving order, their memories of what they allegedly witnessed are purposely made to be muted and hazy.


seeds

I have read your webpage and everything. And I agree with a lot of it, except again that "systems" are closed and completely unchangable.

However, I think theres a level above that of Creative Consiousness, which where all consiousness including Creators become ONE.

Your theory make me wonder, what if a baby die? Its completely unconsious, so really if after death we are "born" in the "omniverse" said baby would do nor create something since he/she had nothing as a reference "mold form".

Dude I have to ask something, WHERE did you got the image of that "eye" becuase its looks freaking similar or I would dare to say equal than an "image" I saw on my most intense spiritual experience.

It was a day I was filled suddenly with bliss and love after reading a bible passage (you will love God with all your mind, soul and spirit), after some time I decided to "leave" this state and returned to normal.

Then I was taking a bath I closed my eyes and rubbed the, suddenly I just closed my eyes (it is to note I was feeling some pressure in the forehead) and was "sucked up" by a tunnel or something (couldnt be a dream), I was sucked inside that giant eye, then I opened my eyes in the middle of the "tunnel-like travel" because it startled me but I decided to close them again to continue see where it would lead.

And again immediatly I closed my eyes, and then I was rushing in what appeared to be a void (could had been the darkness of my closed eyes rather then the "place" if could be called that we be a void) and then I saw a giant GIANT really way huge being approaching to me and extending me its hand I dont remember very well but I from what I remember the most prominent aspect of said being was its eye(s) (I cant remember if it were 2 eyes or a singular eye) but the eye from what I remember was as far as I remember (could be wrong, becuase I dont remember much) very similar if not almost equal to the ones that are in your images. Well anyway I really got freaked, I cant even fathom how I could perceive said being because it was huge I dont even think its size dimensions could be explained in 3 dimensional space, so I freaked out and came back again to normal reality as I opened my eyes immediatly.

So where did you get those images?

And from your perspective, what could my experience had been?

[seeds]

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Hi Luciddd,

I am going to respond to your last post over the next several posts. Hopefully that is okay. (And to Apopohis Reject, I believe we are still on the thread topic, just meandering a bit )

Originally Posted by Luciddd

I have read your webpage and everything. And I agree with a lot of it, except again that "systems" are closed and completely unchangable.

The “systems” are infinitely “changeable” by the owner of the system, just not by others.

I am not sure why you are questioning the idea that the contents of your own mind belong solely to you and to no one else?

One way to understand how the “systems” are closed (and "objective") relative to each other is by realizing that you cannot inter-mix the subjective mental holography of one system (of one mind) into the subjective mental holography of another mind.

For example, you cannot take a piece of God’s mental holography, say an apple, and literally insert it into the field of your mental holography.

The two realities are incompatible.

You can, of course, create a dim replica of that apple out of your own mental essence, even to the point of it possessing similar sensory attributes (apple taste, apple smell, apple color, etc.), but by no means can that “outer” apple be incorporated into the informational matrix of your “inner” apple.

Both apples exist in two separate dimensions of “subjective” reality, and both are underpinned by their own unique system of holographic-like patterns of structural information.

And the only reason we can directly experience the apples created in God’s subjective reality right now is because our own “subjective realities” (our own individual minds) are momentarily encapsulated within God’s mental holography (in bodies made out of His personal mental essence) through-which we were literally awakened into life.

And once we exit our bodies through death, we will never again come in direct contact with (or have access to) our physical bodies.

Indeed, they stay within God’s subjective reality and carry on in conjunction with the order He has created within Himself (meaning our bodies are buried or cremated by those left behind) while our ultimate form awakens into a realm that is literally outside of this universe (outside of God’s mind).

Our bodies (or God's apples, planets, suns, etc.) literally cannot leave the inner dimension of God’s mind (see illustration...)





Our bodies have no reality outside of the "closed" dimension of God's mind, but our own minds (spirits, souls, consciousnesses) do.


seeds

[seeds]

Originally Posted by Luciddd

...I think theres a level above that of Creative Consiousness, which where all consiousness including Creators become ONE.

Either we continue on as sovereign and independent individualizations of personal, self-aware consciousness (or) our personal being dissolves into eternal oblivion in the only logical interpretation of what “oneness” would truly mean.

It cannot be both ways.

Therefore, pick one or the other and decide which one makes the most sense.


seeds

[seeds]

Originally Posted by Luciddd

Your theory make me wonder, what if a baby die? Its completely unconsious, so really if after death we are "born" in the "omniverse" said baby would do nor create something since he/she had nothing as a reference "mold form".

First of all, the baby is not “unconscious.”

I believe that once the light of awareness has been ignited in its initial birth from its mother’s womb, its permanent “I AMness” has been forever established.

If it dies immediately following its initial birth, then the baby’s consciousness will awaken into its ultimate form and into the welcoming presence of its true and eternal family.

From that moment on (unless we are presented with a new “terminal barrier”) this new consciousness will be indestructible.

It will then receive all of the support and guidance it will ever need in a context where communication between us regarding every aspect of the "all-that-is" will be unfettered by the limitations we experience in our present form.

Which means that everything that this new being will need to know in order to advance and elevate itself throughout eternity, will be ascertained within the dimension where the advancing will take place – within the pristine clarity of "true reality" where nothing will be hidden from us ever again.

As tragic as the death of a baby appears to be from our human perspective, I believe that it is just the opposite from the perspective of “true reality.”

That’s because this new living entity that has just been "birthed and delivered" into the next dimension, is a being of such unblemished “purity” that, in my mind, it represents the true definition of the word “angel,” and an unparalleled source of joy for God.

Think about it. If you were God, then that new consciousness would represent the highest level your creative powers could achieve – a literal "replication" of yourself.

(That, of course, applies to all humans )


seeds

[Luciddd]

But there should be something moderating things there, I mean otherwise what would stop you from doing something like this?

[Luciddd]

BTW seeds I ask again, where did you get these "eye" images that are so similar to a the vision I had?

[seeds]

Originally Posted by Luciddd

BTW seeds I ask again, where did you get these "eye" images that are so similar to a the vision I had?

I created (drew) the image of the “eye” around two decades ago as I was trying to come up with a visual metaphor to represent the “eye of the mind.”

To me it represents the central and eternal feature of our consciousness or the “I AM” aspect of our being.

Of course I am not meaning to imply that we are going to look like “big eyes” to each other, for I honestly don't know.

It is just meant to suggest that whatever our ultimate and eternal form truly is, it will be the same form as the Creator of this universe.

As I have stated before, not knowing what we will look like to each other is a dilemma we have all confronted once before.

As we floated within the amniotic water of our mother’s womb, there was absolutely no way we could see or understand what our mother or siblings looked like on the other side of that placental barrier that encased us.

Only after we were born out of her were we able to see her as she really is.

The same thing applies to our present situation relative to God (our ultimate “mom” ).

Originally Posted by Luciddd

And from your perspective, what could my experience had been?

I am not certain what your experience could have been.

If it looked "exactly" like the eye in the illustrations (and there is absolutely no possibility of you seeing it somewhere prior to that), then perhaps it was a “premonition” to your impending encounter with it.


seeds

[Luciddd]

You have yet to address my Hitler point I made to you seeds as well as the following one: If anybody gets this exalted state upon dying regardless of their advance and of what they did, then what would stop someone from basically doing this:



because he had a bad day?

[Luciddd]

As well as Hitler, of course.

[seeds]

Originally Posted by Luciddd

You have yet to address my Hitler point I made to you seeds as well as the following one: If anybody gets this exalted state upon dying regardless of their advance and of what they did, then what would stop someone from basically doing this:



because he had a bad day?

Hi Luciddd,

Your Hitler point was made in a PM to me, so let’s bring it out into the main thread. (Hopefully, A.R. won’t mind this little digression from the main topic. )

“…you say that upon dying you get to the ultimate form right?

But it doesnt makes sense, what happen to the evil people? Then going by that standards this mean that right now Adolf Hitler has his own multiverses right now to which he inflict unbearable suffering to billions or perhaps trillions of beings…”

First of all, there is no such “thing” as evilness.

There is only “low human consciousness” and the actions resulting from it.

Many humans on earth have awakened into a higher level of consciousness, or a state of “enlightenment,” as a result of “hazy glimpses” of what lies beyond the “veil of death.”

What I mean is, even though the information they have acquired is vague and ambiguous, it is still powerful enough to transform them into peaceful and loving beings who understand the oneness and sameness of all humans.

They can see that the material universe is just an "illusion" that brings about negative consequences to those who get too caught up in its allure.

In most cases, the “enlightened ones” do everything they can to help others to see what they have seen because they know that this “higher knowledge” seems to impart an empirical understanding that love, sharing, and caring for each other is the true way for humans to conduct themselves on earth.

Now, the point is, if mere “hazy glimpses” through the “veil” can transform humans into enlightened and loving beings, then just imagine the transformation that will occur when all humans achieve “MEGA-ENLIGHTENMENT” after crossing to the other side of the veil to experience the “absolute Truth” of reality.

And the ultimate point is that through his death, the human known as “Adolf Hitler” immediately awakened into a level of consciousness and “ENLIGHTENMENT” that is so far and away above that dark and low conscious (“evil”) level he operated at while on earth, that there is no way to compare the two.

No matter how many people on this forum have convinced themselves to the contrary, there are no “evil” beings in True Reality.

(If you believe there are evil entities on the “other side” of the veil of death, then that is just your own imagination working in conjunction with your own low level of consciousness, handing you a load of nonsense. )


seeds

[raykilleen]

Originally Posted by Luciddd

Dude I have to ask something, WHERE did you got the image of that "eye" becuase its looks freaking similar or I would dare to say equal than an "image" I saw on my most intense spiritual experience.

Oh wow, just noticed this, I use to have visions (more like direct experience) associated with these images when I would meditate, actually they were quite shocking and would bring me back to worldly consciousness abruptly, hart pounding, heavy breathing, relief that I was back, it took me a while to get comfortable with them, hmm, far out, seriously.