Enlightenment/Satan

[QuakerOats]

Okay, i don't know what quest i'm on in life but i'm definitley on one, everything is changing in my life for the better and i feel like i'm coming to an end of what i feel has been 24 years of suffering, everythings not perfect but i wake up everyday in a great mood and can say i'm genuinely happy for the first time in my entire life....

Meditation is what i think is getting me there, i'm not sure because some of the changes were occuring prior but close to the time i started meditating...but anyway, before i dove into all this stuff i spent a summer obsessed with illuminati and freemasons and all that, and how they are "enlightened" beings, and that the ancient secrets of the freemasons are that they teach people to be enlightened and tune into higher frequencies of consciousness, but they presented it as if it was an evil thing to be doing...

Now we've all been "enlightened" and its all about "the light" that we're all seeing and bringing into our lives and what have you, but satan is also known as "the light bearer", there's quite a few other connections i've made between whats happening with the new age stuff and the rapture in the bible, or things i learned of the illuminati, and in the back of my head i'm not 100% sure if this change that is happening is right, or if i'm following into satan's plan...

There's so much more i could say on the subject and what i think, but does anybody have any insight on this? I almost feel wrong for having everything finally fall into place in my life, i literally suffered for so long that now when things go the way i want them to so often, i feel like i'm cheating or something...

[Reefs]

Folks take the word enlightenment too literally. Has nothing to do with light.

[QuakerOats]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Folks take the word enlightenment too literally. Has nothing to do with light.

when i meditate i focus on a bright light, thats more what i was referring to, and there's a lot of talk about the light with meditation, i wasnt just using the word light from the word enlightenment.

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by QuakerOats

Okay, i don't know what quest i'm on in life but i'm definitley on one, everything is changing in my life for the better and i feel like i'm coming to an end of what i feel has been 24 years of suffering, everythings not perfect but i wake up everyday in a great mood and can say i'm genuinely happy for the first time in my entire life....

Meditation is what i think is getting me there, i'm not sure because some of the changes were occuring prior but close to the time i started meditating...but anyway, before i dove into all this stuff i spent a summer obsessed with illuminati and freemasons and all that, and how they are "enlightened" beings, and that the ancient secrets of the freemasons are that they teach people to be enlightened and tune into higher frequencies of consciousness, but they presented it as if it was an evil thing to be doing...

Now we've all been "enlightened" and its all about "the light" that we're all seeing and bringing into our lives and what have you, but satan is also known as "the light bearer", there's quite a few other connections i've made between whats happening with the new age stuff and the rapture in the bible, or things i learned of the illuminati, and in the back of my head i'm not 100% sure if this change that is happening is right, or if i'm following into satan's plan...

There's so much more i could say on the subject and what i think, but does anybody have any insight on this? I almost feel wrong for having everything finally fall into place in my life, i literally suffered for so long that now when things go the way i want them to so often, i feel like i'm cheating or something...

Meditation is providing a break from the elaborate puzzle of conflicting beliefs and ideas but there is still a desire to put the misshapen pieces together?

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by QuakerOats

when i meditate i focus on a bright light, thats more what i was referring to, and there's a lot of talk about the light with meditation, i wasnt just using the word light from the word enlightenment.

OK, you are excused.

[QuakerOats]

Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg

Meditation is providing a break from the elaborate puzzle of conflicting beliefs and ideas but there is still a desire to put the misshapen pieces together?

Nope, just wondering if there is an evil hand in providing me a break, because a part of me tells me there is....

[ButterflyWoman]

Originally Posted by QuakerOats

satan is also known as "the light bearer"

The association between "Lucifer" and "Satan" (originally different concepts) is a dubious one. I wouldn't give it too much weight until you do more research on it.

Originally Posted by QuakerOats

I almost feel wrong for having everything finally fall into place in my life

So now you're looking for ways to sabotage it? It's "satanic" or it's rooted in some sort of conspiracy theory?

Originally Posted by QuakerOats

i literally suffered for so long that now when things go the way i want them to so often, i feel like i'm cheating or something...

Well, I know that feeling, certainly, but it's something you can overcome. I can tell you that if you keep looking for or expecting disaster, it will surely come....

[Luciddd]

1) Lucifer was the name of Satan before fall, so he isnt anymore the light bearer, he is the prince of darkness.

2) There are actually ways to know if it is evil or not according to Jesus, we must test the fruit of spirit:

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control".

If you are in doubt, put it to the test, is its nature according to the fruit of Spirit?

Light is a very common spiritual element, remember God's first command "Let there be light".

[zeitgeist]

It sounds to me you are on the right track -meditation is a very scientific excercise. Everything you feel and experience is real. The fact that you can sleep better and that things are finally going your way is prove that you are on the right track. 'By the fruits ye shall recognize them', remember?


Listening to you it seems like that you are still conflicted by some old church upbringings. You shouldn't. Consider yourself as part of the wave that brings our spiritual evolution to the next level.

All the best,

Zeitgeist

[illbreaker]

QuakerOats, have you been listening to Russ Dizdar?

[ChristsLight]

In the dual world, everything is on a spectrum of alignment with Love. This is the Love of God—perfect, unconditional Love.

Darkness cannot be aligned with Love, because it is the lack of Love. It feeds on dark energy (fear, hate, anger), not light energy (love, joy, peace, happiness).

Therefore, if some dark force is really influencing your life, your life would be falling apart, not coming together. Dark forces cannot give true happiness and peace.

The real thing you might want to be focusing on is your limiting belief that things shouldn't be working out perfectly in life. This is why you are creating conflict, because you don't feel that you deserve to be so happy. This will halt your spiritual progress until you can dispel that belief.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by QuakerOats

There's so much more i could say on the subject and what i think, but does anybody have any insight on this? I almost feel wrong for having everything finally fall into place in my life, i literally suffered for so long that now when things go the way i want them to so often, i feel like i'm cheating or something...

For a couple of years after realizing Who I Am, I went through a sort of spiritual tug-of-war between self-knowledge, and the belief that I was going to go straight to hell for that self-knowledge. I went through some struggles, at times, lemme tell ya. Sometimes, it was downright painful.

That struggle is finally over and done with, now, and what finally ended it was the realization of the difference between acceptance of what is, and belief. You can believe anything you allow your ego to believe, but as you accept what is, those beliefs simply dissolve into Being.

[superfoodist]

Originally Posted by QuakerOats

in the back of my head i'm not 100% sure if this change that is happening is right, or if i'm following into satan's plan...

There's so much more i could say on the subject and what i think, but does anybody have any insight on this? I almost feel wrong for having everything finally fall into place in my life, i literally suffered for so long that now when things go the way i want them to so often, i feel like i'm cheating or something...

Wow.. If I understand this right, then I've finally found someone who's thinking the same thing as me.

In my opinion, I see the bible, and all religion, as something extremely negative, and I see a lot of this new age, world changing stuff as the positive thing, and the way the Universe should be, but all of this new age/way the universe should be stuff could be exactly what Satan wants us to believe (if he exists) so that we don't believe in the bible, which would be the greatest deception of all.

Is that kind of what you're feeling?

[QuakerOats]

Originally Posted by superfoodist

Wow.. If I understand this right, then I've finally found someone who's thinking the same thing as me.

In my opinion, I see the bible, and all religion, as something extremely negative, and I see a lot of this new age, world changing stuff as the positive thing, and the way the Universe should be, but all of this new age/way the universe should be stuff could be exactly what Satan wants us to believe (if he exists) so that we don't believe in the bible, which would be the greatest deception of all.

Is that kind of what you're feeling?

Yeah that's exactly what i'm saying, there's a lot of things with the new age movement that would correspond with the works of satan and the rapture according to the bible...

But i guess i can try and figure things out as much as i want or i could just go with the flow of things (which i've always done anyway) because i don't think a tree has the burden of thoughts that make it wonder if it's growing the right way, it just grows as it's supposed to and i need to put 100% of my faith that this is right, if i went any deeper with why i feel how i do it'd turn into a therapy session..

What are your thoughts on satan though? because in my beliefs he doesn't exist, not in the traditional sense at least, i just have the thought in the back of my head saying "what if"....Just like the saying "the smartest thing the devil ever did was convince the world he didnt exist" these are the things that make me question my path...

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by QuakerOats

Yeah that's exactly what i'm saying, there's a lot of things with the new age movement that would correspond with the works of satan and the rapture according to the bible...

But i guess i can try and figure things out as much as i want or i could just go with the flow of things (which i've always done anyway) because i don't think a tree has the burden of thoughts that make it wonder if it's growing the right way, it just grows as it's supposed to and i need to put 100% of my faith that this is right, if i went any deeper with why i feel how i do it'd turn into a therapy session..

What are your thoughts on satan though? because in my beliefs he doesn't exist, not in the traditional sense at least, i just have the thought in the back of my head saying "what if"....Just like the saying "the smartest thing the devil ever did was convince the world he didnt exist" these are the things that make me question my path...

I believe they are all just aspects of ourselves that we have put a name to. Life is a combination of light and dark which are interdependent.

[illbreaker]

Originally Posted by QuakerOats

What are your thoughts on satan though? because in my beliefs he doesn't exist, not in the traditional sense at least, i just have the thought in the back of my head saying "what if"....Just like the saying "the smartest thing the devil ever did was convince the world he didnt exist" these are the things that make me question my path...

I believe he exists. He's been described as a beautiful crystalline entity by people that have remote viewed him. I'm not sure if he's really like that or wants to appear like that. Remote viewers have described him as "cold" and have felt fear when viewing him.

[superfoodist]

Originally Posted by QuakerOats

Yeah that's exactly what i'm saying, there's a lot of things with the new age movement that would correspond with the works of satan and the rapture according to the bible...

But i guess i can try and figure things out as much as i want or i could just go with the flow of things (which i've always done anyway) because i don't think a tree has the burden of thoughts that make it wonder if it's growing the right way, it just grows as it's supposed to and i need to put 100% of my faith that this is right, if i went any deeper with why i feel how i do it'd turn into a therapy session..

What are your thoughts on satan though? because in my beliefs he doesn't exist, not in the traditional sense at least, i just have the thought in the back of my head saying "what if"....Just like the saying "the smartest thing the devil ever did was convince the world he didnt exist" these are the things that make me question my path...

Well, your the first person I've met (even if its online, lol) that is in the same thinking pattern.

Hmm.. First off, I recommend reading Zecharia Sitchin's work, specifically "The End of Days". He was an archaeologist (died last year I believe) who studied ancient Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Sumerian tablets, drawings, etc etc - and basically, all the writings from the civilizations in the pre-bible days, basically correlate with the bible .. Except there's a twist to the story.. If you look at the ancient writings, they basically point to there being an alien race that came down from the heavens (space), and acted as gods, and so the story got transformed enough to the point that the bible was made in the way it was.

There's also been a BUNCH of people, JUST like Jesus, with the same exact story .. but they were born hundreds/thousands of years before him!! Some of these people are Krishna, Mithra, Dinoysus, etc.

Most of them have the same exact qualities,
-Son of "God".
-Had 12 Apostles, or disciples, I forget which one it is.
-Died at age 33
-Resurrected 3 days later

etc etc, I might have the traits a little off, but you can check it out for yourself.


Anyways, even in this scenario, you can say that the devil deceived the people that wrote the ancient sumerian tablets, to make it seem like it was aliens in the future..

There's really no end to this OCD thought.. It's a never ending loop, which I think is why religion controls so many people. It's complete fear mongering.

I eventually came to the thought though, that the "God" in the bible, is not a "loving, omnipotent God" at all, on so many different levels. He was going to have Abraham sacrifice his child in a fire to show his faith towards God for one thing. Think about that. First, it shows that God has an "ego" (which is dangerous in a god-like figure) because he needs proof that he's revered, honored, etc. Second, if he's all-knowing, then he KNOWS that Abraham has faith in him. He wouldn't have to put him on the spot and make him kill his own CHILD!

Of course, religious people will explain that God has his reasons for doing things. But there's so many more similar stories in the bible.

So I came to my own reasoning, and decided that I wouldn't believe in a terrorist "God".

If I'm wrong, then I'll be wrong (which will suck, because that means that God DOES exist, even know he's a terrorist, lol).

If I'm right, then I'm right, and there's something better out there.

And above all else, my INSTINCTS tell me that there's something wrong with religion. I see no love in it, and I decided to trust my intuition above all else. If there is a "God", he put intuition and instincts in us for a reason.. To sense right from wrong.. I'm using my intuition how it's meant to be used, and it's telling me that religion isn't right.

I can rant about this for hours lol.. I'm going to cut myself short though. Does that help at all?