Hawkins level of Unconditional Love

[BillyTheAdult]

I intend to reach it.

[taylor]

Good luck.

Dr. David R. Hawkins - YouTube

Watch out for the Zen rhetoric coming in 3... 2... 1...

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by BillyTheAdult

I intend to reach it.

It's not hard. Taylor, I'm sure, is already there, he just hasn't realized it yet. Or maybe he has. *shrugs* I think there's quite a few people here on the boards who are already there. Just set and keep your mind on that goal, and you'll find it soon.

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by BillyTheAdult

I intend to reach it.

Fantabulous. What's the plan?

[BillyTheAdult]

I basically have a few sort of principles I guess you would call them, that I am slowly going to start incorporating into my life. Once I feel pretty good about those I will add a few new ones. I think if I basically instill the right beliefs/attitudes and just live them until they stick and are fully integrated that should take care of it. I'm sure it's not an overnight thing though and it's kind of a long term, high priority but low intensity goal like the slow-carb diet I'm doing. It's more about dedication and persistence than pushing really hard to try to get instant results. I'm roughly estimating 6 months give or take a month or two.

I've been doing this for about 5 days or a week before this thread and I've already felt a sort of shift in my mentality. I feel very confident that as long as I stick to my plan, maybe make a couple of minor tweaks here and there as I see fit, it will work.

Care to join me?

[BillyTheAdult]

I already have a good lists of things I will be doing, but if anyone has any suggestions I'm open to them.

Specifically right now I'm interested in what to do first thing in the morning to get myself in the right mindset right off, like before I'm even out of bed. Something I can do from the second my eyes open.

[taylor]

You can pray.

You can also use mantras to focus your mind along your intended lines.

[ChristsLight]

I wonder if coming up with all of these plans is only playing into the level of reason, only serving to keep you there. Just a thought.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

I wonder if coming up with all of these plans is only playing into the level of reason, only serving to keep you there. Just a thought.

Surface thoughts and plans don't affect your level of consciousness. Only focused mental effort can do that. A person can make all the plans they want, but whether they get done is a matter of follow through.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Surface thoughts and plans don't affect your level of consciousness. Only focused mental effort can do that. A person can make all the plans they want, but whether they get done is a matter of follow through.

Vince, what is your plan?

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Thunder

Vince, what is your plan?

For?

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by VinceG

For?

For whatever.

Did you say "Just set and keep your mind on that goal, and you'll find it soon." and "Only focused mental effort can do that. A person can make all the plans they want, but whether they get done is a matter of follow through"?

So I asked what is your plan. Of course, if your plan is personal and confidential you don't need to tell it.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Thunder

For whatever.

Did you say "Just set and keep your mind on that goal, and you'll find it soon." and "Only focused mental effort can do that. A person can make all the plans they want, but whether they get done is a matter of follow through"?

So I asked what is your plan. Of course, if your plan is personal and confidential you don't need to tell it.

One goal I have at the moment is to break into the entertainment business. To that end I plan on building my network and my skills, in that order. Once I feel like I want to start working, I'll work my network for a job.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Surface thoughts and plans don't affect your level of consciousness. Only focused mental effort can do that. A person can make all the plans they want, but whether they get done is a matter of follow through.

Using this model, Vince, I'd guess that you were at the level of reason, just from the nature of your posts. Very action-oriented.

What I'm saying is that I believe to get beyond reason, we have to see the limitations of the mind, and go beyond it. This has nothing to do with making plans, etc, no matter how surface or how deep they might be.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by VinceG

One goal I have at the moment is to break into the entertainment business. To that end I plan on building my network and my skills, in that order. Once I feel like I want to start working, I'll work my network for a job.

That sounds reasonable to me.

I am also in the process of looking for a new job.

This time, I am learning to take the matter lightly. I used to be stressed during job hunting processes. That human instinct of survival, the false belief of insecurity, the society inflence of the idea of being responsbile as the bread winner for the family, the fight or freight response of the mind, etc, was sometimes too much to take on.

But then I realised that none of those increased the chance of getting a job by the least margin. My mind really creates most of my suffering.

When I revisited my past job hunting history, I found that almost every time I looked for work and applied for jobs, I failed miserably. Almost all of the jobs I did in the past were not the ones I actively applied for. Somehow, recruitment agencies contacted me for the jobs I did not applied and I got the jobs.

I guess that the way is to follow the "flow" or "whatever IS" naturally. This does not mean I don't have a plan. But it is the sort of "plan" that comes up naturally almost without my deliberate efforts.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

Using this model, Vince, I'd guess that you were at the level of reason, just from the nature of your posts. Very action-oriented.

You should keep up this sort of reasoning. Learning to see differences between people's thoughts and trying to figure out where they're at and what they arise from is great for growth. It forces you to contemplate things in new and novel ways.

What I'm saying is that I believe to get beyond reason, we have to see the limitations of the mind, and go beyond it. This has nothing to do with making plans, etc, no matter how surface or how deep they might be.

Of course making plans and taking action can be a part of the process of realizing the limitations of mind. When you fail at the plan or the goal, that displays to you in sharp relief your limitation.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Surface thoughts and plans don't affect your level of consciousness. Only focused mental effort can do that. A person can make all the plans they want, but whether they get done is a matter of follow through.

Now, suppose I want 1 million dollars. According to you, if I focus my mind and follow through, I will get it.

[Apopohis Reject]

Originally Posted by Thunder

Now, suppose I want 1 million dollars. According to you, if I focus my mind and follow through, I will get it.

I guess it depends largely upon why you want this 1 million dollars, for unless it is specific enough and worthy of the effort needed to invest in the procurement as such, your mentality will tire of the effort long before the result can be realised - that is *IF* it is possible in the first instance.

And right there, it would appear to me is the first hurdle you would be required to negotiate - whether you BELIEVE enough to begin the process, and then continue as such for as long as it takes to be proven right - or wrong.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by Apopohis Reject

I guess it depends largely upon why you want this 1 million dollars, for ...

I don't buy that.

I am sure there have been a plenty of devoted Christians or others who prayed, focused and followed through, asking for money to help the poor for a good cause, etc, but ended having the prayers unanswered, etc.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by BillyTheAdult

I already have a good lists of things I will be doing,
but if anyone has any suggestions I'm open to them.

I'm interested in what to do first thing in the morning
to get myself in the right mindset right off, like before I'm even out of bed.
Something I can do from the second my eyes open.

Excellent question!
Here's my Suggestion, and Yes! I do this myself: See,
(tho I's gonna be 60 this month), I have never given up,
Starting my day...
in the Spirit of all wiffle kiddos, you know like a Toddler Ever Notice?, or
Remember when you lived from this conviction that the World is MY oyster
You could hardly wait to CARPE DIEM, you were all go!, Go!! & more go...

(Now true, I just had a Hernia-repaired, 2 weeks ago),
but in another week, once again, I will HIT the ground running, & go like this all day long!

LIVE like the Winner... God created you to serve Him as. And have FUN doing it!

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Of course making plans and taking action can be a part of the process of realizing the limitations of mind. When you fail at the plan or the goal, that displays to you in sharp relief your limitation.

Which is precisely why I was warning the OP that he might be asking the wrong question.

[BillyTheAdult]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

I wonder if coming up with all of these plans is only playing into the level of reason, only serving to keep you there. Just a thought.

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

Which is precisely why I was warning the OP that he might be asking the wrong question.

Thank you.

This was one of the very first things I thought of which is what lead to me making a list of specific bullet points to relentlessly follow. They are partially directly from directions Hawkins has publicly stated on how to reach the level of unconditional which he says is easy but hard and i think I know exactly what he means. So by Focusing on just a small concentrated list I hope to avoid the mental roller coaster of getting thrown around by new realizations and whatnot all the time. Having realizations is really like an addiction with the payoff of the emotional jolt you get from having one. I believe this must be surrendered, just as you mentioned, to move beyond the level of reason. So instead I have this list to be followed at all times and I don't have to worry about any new realizations or guidelines to follow at any point.

But as I mentioned as this project is just in it's infancy the time for minor course corrections is now and I wonder what the respondent would suggest.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by BillyTheAdult

This was one of the very first things I thought of which is what lead to me making a list of specific bullet points to relentlessly follow. They are partially directly from directions Hawkins has publicly stated on how to reach the level of unconditional which he says is easy but hard and i think I know exactly what he means.

What are his directions on it?

Originally Posted by BillyTheAdult

So by Focusing on just a small concentrated list I hope to avoid the mental roller coaster of getting thrown around by new realizations and whatnot all the time. Having realizations is really like an addiction with the payoff of the emotional jolt you get from having one. I believe this must be surrendered, just as you mentioned, to move beyond the level of reason. So instead I have this list to be followed at all times and I don't have to worry about any new realizations or guidelines to follow at any point.

But as I mentioned as this project is just in it's infancy the time for minor course corrections is now and I wonder what the respondent would suggest.

Having a specific list to follow step by step is exactly the signpost of the level of reason. Spirituality isn't a sequence of steps that lead to some goal. It may come across that way up through this level, but after this the road becomes unpredictable, much to the chagrin of the person at the level of reason. This is why it gets so frustrating and it can be hard to let go of reason and fly by inspiration/intuition alone.

I would say one of the keys is to shift from living by reason to living by intuition. I only ever live by intuition now. I say or do things that I do not know why I say or do them, but I know that I need to do so. Then I see the beauty of life as all works out perfectly for everyone.

There is a universal acceptance and Love as I see that everyone is exactly where they need to be in life, doing exactly what they need to be doing.

There is also a letting go. I see that even I am doing what I need to be doing, and am able to surrender to that greater awareness. I no longer try to control in which direction life is headed, because it is perfect. There is no more need for worry or stress because I don't need to figure out anything.

I think that from the level of love and beyond, it is much more about being and surrendering, rather than about doing.

[BillyTheAdult]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

What are his directions on it?

Simple Tools of Great Value | consciousnessproject.org

I'm using a couple of those, a couple other things I've heard him say, and a couple of my own.

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

Having a specific list to follow step by step is exactly the signpost of the level of reason. Spirituality isn't a sequence of steps that lead to some goal. It may come across that way up through this level, but after this the road becomes unpredictable, much to the chagrin of the person at the level of reason. This is why it gets so frustrating and it can be hard to let go of reason and fly by inspiration/intuition alone.

I would say one of the keys is to shift from living by reason to living by intuition. I only ever live by intuition now. I say or do things that I do not know why I say or do them, but I know that I need to do so. Then I see the beauty of life as all works out perfectly for everyone.

There is a universal acceptance and Love as I see that everyone is exactly where they need to be in life, doing exactly what they need to be doing.

There is also a letting go. I see that even I am doing what I need to be doing, and am able to surrender to that greater awareness. I no longer try to control in which direction life is headed, because it is perfect. There is no more need for worry or stress because I don't need to figure out anything.

I think that from the level of love and beyond, it is much more about being and surrendering, rather than about doing.

It is a finger pointing at the moon kind of thing. The finger is of value as long as you know to look to what it is pointing at. I don't expect to be there tomorrow or for the journey to be free of setbacks or pitfalls. I suspect that as time goes on, I will be able to let go of the rigidity of a list, but it is a good place to start.

[taylor]

Just because you follow a plan or specific action steps doesn't mean you are in the level of reason. Where that plan is heading is what's going to determine your future level of consciousness. I think if anyone wants to get something done no matter their level of consciousness, a step-by-step plan is very helpful.

All of the saints I can think of who accomplished big things and are now famous because of them (Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Francis, etc) had plans and rules they followed. They didn't get these through rigorous logical study, but through inspiration and prayer. Read a book by Gandhi, who according to Hawkins calibrated at 760 at the end of his life, and you'll find a lot of attention paid to rules and pragmatic plans. However, these weren't just logically deduced, they were inspired through his time spent in silence, solitude, and prayer. His intention to surrender his life to God was what determined the energy of his plans and rules, and they helped him immensely in attaining his spiritual and political goals.

Rather than rejecting plans all together, why not get in touch to that inner inspiration and let it guide your plans, perhaps removing the need for plans altogether. Ultimately plans are just a means to an end. Once the end is accomplished maybe the need for planning is over. Tune in and find out.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by BillyTheAdult

Simple Tools of Great Value | consciousnessproject.org

I'm using a couple of those, a couple other things I've heard him say, and a couple of my own.

I see these as good to do no matter what your goal is. I especially like this one:

10 Accept that by spiritual declaration, commitment, and surrender, Knowingness arises that provides support, information, and all that is needed for the entire journey.

This is my experience, and I call it inspiration, or intuition, etc. I don't need to know anything, because the knowledge I need arises from the Divine spontaneously.

Originally Posted by BillyTheAdult

It is a finger pointing at the moon kind of thing. The finger is of value as long as you know to look to what it is pointing at. I don't expect to be there tomorrow or for the journey to be free of setbacks or pitfalls. I suspect that as time goes on, I will be able to let go of the rigidity of a list, but it is a good place to start.

Yes. I think the biggest setback would be the rigidity. Like i said, I live moment-by-moment by the voice of inspiration. Those are good guidelines, though, but don't miss the forest for the trees.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by taylor

Just because you follow a plan or specific action steps doesn't mean you are in the level of reason. Where that plan is heading is what's going to determine your future level of consciousness. I think if anyone wants to get something done no matter their level of consciousness, a step-by-step plan is very helpful.

Where is that plan coming from? If from logic/reason, then it will most likely fail, and won't give great results. If from inspiration/intuition/God, then it will succeed. But the trick is not to even be attached to this plan. It could be used for a single day, then it could be changed tomorrow if you now need something else. Plans and rules generally aren't meant to be universalized, which is where religion fails.

I will never argue with the voice of God, but I would also not ignore it if it says something different tomorrow than it says today.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Thunder

Now, suppose I want 1 million dollars. According to you, if I focus my mind and follow through, I will get it.

Sure. A million isn't all that hard to make. You just have to stop with the wishful thinking and start getting practical. Once you do that, it gets much easier.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

Which is precisely why I was warning the OP that he might be asking the wrong question.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the OP didn't ask a question.

[Apopohis Reject]

Originally Posted by Thunder

I don't buy that.

I am sure there have been a plenty of devoted Christians or others who prayed, focused and followed through, asking for money to help the poor for a good cause, etc, etc.

Huh? Your question, to which I replied didn't even mention Christians or anyone who prayed for anything.

If you wish to make reference to such things, I'll simply remind you of many documented instances where amazing results have been achieved that would have, in normal circumstances been regarded impossible. Prayer was seemingly a part of some, but not all.

So your rather defeatist conclusion would appear to establish your mentality as lacking the focus as well as the 'TRUST/faith' required, so you'd best not waste your time and efforts on such a lost cause.

BTW, thank you for highlighting my point so well.