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Old 11-12-2011, 02:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've been noticing something recently. When it arises that I am emotionally triggered about something, I notice of course that the individual "I" is triggered, but I am beginning to clearly see something behind the emotions that is completely peaceful. It is just being, and it is bothered by nothing and triggered by nothing.

Unfortunately, I can't seem to be able to focus on that instead of on the individual who is triggered. I see the being but feel separate, though I know that I am not.

Sometimes it does make the shift, and I am not in the least upset or angry, but yet "I" still keep responding as though I am, because I can't seem to make myself stop responding in that way. Being is not upset, and I feel that, but the mind is still responding as though I am upset.

This is more an observation than anything. It is something I have never noticed in the past. Now when I am triggered, it is an interesting experiment to see if I can see being. I always can. But realizing that I am there, and not the angered/upset ego/mind, is another story.
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Old 11-13-2011, 03:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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That is the place of meditation isn't it - the place that gives us detachment.
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That is the place of meditation isn't it - the place that gives us detachment.
I do agree with Greek Dog, meditation helps.
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Old 11-13-2011, 04:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
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That is the place of meditation isn't it - the place that gives us detachment.
Yes you are right. That is our true state of witnessing, watching.

I am noticing that this is becoming more my default state. Perhaps I don't need to do anything; maybe noticing its existence is enough.

It is always there.
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Old 11-13-2011, 05:15 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Making it out to be a problem will ensure the problem continues. If you go on doing things, that separate individual will keep doing. All you can do is watch. It is not good, it is not bad. It just is. When you watch from a detached perspective, all that is unnecessary will fall away on its on. You can not do it. It will happen naturally.
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Old 11-13-2011, 06:33 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Making it out to be a problem will ensure the problem continues. If you go on doing things, that separate individual will keep doing. All you can do is watch. It is not good, it is not bad. It just is. When you watch from a detached perspective, all that is unnecessary will fall away on its on. You can not do it. It will happen naturally.
Thank you. You are right. I guess that I do nothing, ever; I can do nothing.
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I've been noticing something recently. When it arises that I am emotionally triggered about something, I notice of course that the individual "I" is triggered, but I am beginning to clearly see something behind the emotions that is completely peaceful. It is just being, and it is bothered by nothing and triggered by nothing.
Yup. Same here.
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Unfortunately, I can't seem to be able to focus on that instead of on the individual who is triggered. I see the being but feel separate, though I know that I am not.

Sometimes it does make the shift, and I am not in the least upset or angry, but yet "I" still keep responding as though I am, because I can't seem to make myself stop responding in that way. Being is not upset, and I feel that, but the mind is still responding as though I am upset.
Indeed, this has been happening with me, too, though less frequently.
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This is more an observation than anything. It is something I have never noticed in the past. Now when I am triggered, it is an interesting experiment to see if I can see being. I always can. But realizing that I am there, and not the angered/upset ego/mind, is another story.
Anymore, I try always just to keep the focus on Being. The emotions will play out as they will, but as long as I can keep the focus on Being, the emotions calm down, eventually. It's really wonderful when they do.
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:04 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Yup. Same here.
Indeed, this has been happening with me, too, though less frequently.
Anymore, I try always just to keep the focus on Being. The emotions will play out as they will, but as long as I can keep the focus on Being, the emotions calm down, eventually. It's really wonderful when they do.
Thanks Beingist.

Lately I've been pondering about how there is really no free will. That is tough for the mind, because it wants to have control and to do things. But when I realize that i can't do anything, then the emotions calm down, because they really arise as a result of trying to control something and not being able to. That's why I love your username, because this is the only thing we can do is just to be.
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I've been noticing something recently. When it arises that I am emotionally triggered about something, I notice of course that the individual "I" is triggered, but I am beginning to clearly see something behind the emotions that is completely peaceful. It is just being, and it is bothered by nothing and triggered by nothing.

Unfortunately, I can't seem to be able to focus on that instead of on the individual who is triggered. I see the being but feel separate, though I know that I am not.

Sometimes it does make the shift, and I am not in the least upset or angry, but yet "I" still keep responding as though I am, because I can't seem to make myself stop responding in that way. Being is not upset, and I feel that, but the mind is still responding as though I am upset.

This is more an observation than anything. It is something I have never noticed in the past. Now when I am triggered, it is an interesting experiment to see if I can see being. I always can. But realizing that I am there, and not the angered/upset ego/mind, is another story.
Ironically, when it comes to breaking the identification, a kind of separation is in order. Since you are clearly not upset, the objective is to not become upset about mind being upset, which will pull you into mind. If there is no upset, it's simply seen as an expression and doesn't need to be dealt with unless the circumstances are quite inconvenient for that expression to take place. Since you likely have the sense that you are not doing the expressing, there also isn't the usual censor there to prevent the expression and act 'appropriately', and so things may get blurted out that would normally have been suppressed.

If folks close to you are aware of what's going on, they can perhaps allow it to be expressed also, without reacting. They (and you) will see that, since there is no involvement with mind, the expression ends as quickly as it came with no residual volatility. It's expressed and then gone, almost as if it never happened.

These expressions are more out of habit than anything else; patterns of ingrained thought, expressing spontaneously because the guard has left the premises. Eventually, mind will follow the equanimity of your attention and a more genuine reaction will replace it, which strangely perhaps, might look more like amusement.
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Thanks arcanum. That helps.
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Lately I've been pondering about how there is really no free will. That is tough for the mind, because it wants to have control and to do things.
I suggest pondering how there is really no mind.
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I suggest pondering how there is really no mind.
How about pondering what it is you're actually doing when you're pondering?
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How about pondering what it is you're actually doing when you're pondering?
Step by step, Vince.

Mind love to mind, as wolfgang would say.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:58 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I suggest pondering how there is really no mind.
One step at a time. Kidding, but the free will one is a tough one to accept.
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One step at a time. Kidding, but the free will one is a tough one to accept.
It's actually impossible to accept. The issue is solved when interest in such mental acrobatics is lost.

Focus on your intuition instead. That's going with the impersonal flow.
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The real question is whether we accept and feel all emotions, even ones we don't like; or simply rise above them. I also can sense the peaceful watcher you speak of, but like you said it isn't always easy to ignore the triggered emotions. I'd like to hear opinions on how we deal with certain emotions that keep coming to the surface. Do we work with them or rise above them?
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