Nothing To Do?

[nothuman]

Do we really need to impose our will on anything in this life? Are we heading for our required destination with or without our efforts to navigate the journey? Do we make it harder on ourselves trying to use control in our human experience? Is dancing the same as standing still, only faster?

[Midnite]

The answer to your first question is entirely dependent on whether or not you are completely satisfied with your current life.

I also believe in fate so I have some kind of reasonable assurance that no matter what I do, my spiritual journey will still be the same.

The answer to your third question would depend on the techniques you have a adopted in order to try and control your existence. Some techniques require extensive measures of consistent positive practice or risk failure, other methods just require you to believe in your awsomeness haha.

I am pretty sure dancing is an act to enjoy your existence slightly more than what you would experience just standing still. What it comes down to is how much you need to 'feel' you are moving forward in life, whether that be physically, emotionally, socially, psychologically, etc. I will be the first to say that I do some pretty wacked-out stuff to get that feeling.

[zeitgeist]

Important questions ... To many of us, it eventually dawns what our mission in life is. This direction you face, but leave all the implementations up to the Way- the Tao- would be my advice. Are we humans, or are we dancers? Well, I hope you dance

[taylor]

Originally Posted by nothuman

Do we really need to impose our will on anything in this life? Are we heading for our required destination with or without our efforts to navigate the journey? Do we make it harder on ourselves trying to use control in our human experience? Is dancing the same as standing still, only faster?

What's a "required destination"?

[ChristsLight]

Nothing to do, nowhere to go.

The mind wants to do something; it wants to exert control. But whether or not it tries, it is still swept along the stream of being.

[nothuman]

Originally Posted by taylor

What's a "required destination"?

Exactly.....

[nothuman]

The thing wih dancing is that is has no purpose other than the dancing. You have to wonder at times about the purposes we try and plaster onto our lives in order to make life appear more meaningful to our minds.

[Midnite]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Are we humans, or are we dancers?

The Killers - Human - YouTube

Originally Posted by nothuman

The thing wih dancing is that is has no purpose other than the dancing. You have to wonder at times about the purposes we try and plaster onto our lives in order to make life appear more meaningful to our minds.

As long as we at least think we are having fun

The thing about spirituality is, the more you explore, the deeper you delve, the closer you come to the answers to your questions; the more inner-conflicts you will have had to face to such a point as to finally just exist as free-streaming consciousness without limitation or barrier. I like to think that if we want to stand still, we will stand still. If we feel the need to dance. we will dance.

[nothuman]

Originally Posted by Midnite

The Killers - Human - YouTube


As long as we at least think we are having fun

The thing about spirituality is, the more you explore, the deeper you delve, the closer you come to the answers to your questions; the more inner-conflicts you will have had to face to such a point as to finally just exist as free-streaming consciousness without limitation or barrier. I like to think that if we want to stand still, we will stand still. If we feel the need to dance. we will dance.

Mr M......yes. I look at the road travelled and all my jumping about, flailing of arms like a disco reject......I think we'll get to the same spot on the floor but maybe it's a matter of dancing the dance instead of the dance dancing you.

[Midnite]

Originally Posted by nothuman

Mr M......yes. I look at the road travelled and all my jumping about, flailing of arms like a disco reject......I think we'll get to the same spot on the floor but maybe it's a matter of dancing the dance instead of the dance dancing you.

Conscious decision to move in a particular direction where your life is not ordinarily moving, is a form of judgemental limitation on your behalf. LoA is about deciding you are not competely satisfied with the current path your life is taking. It is in essence a controlling limitation before you even started.

Let the dance take you onto the dancefloor, surrender yourself to the music, and let the swirls of opportunities present themselves when they are ready.

[nothuman]

Napoleon Dynamite Dance Scene - YouTube

[Moriarty]

Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes. Oh wait...was that too many yes's?

Start again>>>>>

No, no, yes, no, yes, yes, no, no....hmmmmm....bah! forget it!

>>>>>>>Nothing to say

[taylor]

I sort of dislike this philosophy. Think it's often misapplied as sloppiness or laziness.

[nothuman]

Originally Posted by taylor

I sort of dislike this philosophy. Think it's often misapplied as sloppiness or laziness.

You've got very sharp teeth

[nothuman]

The mind doesn't like the idea that there is nothing to do. It will view it as laziness but where have our minds got us so far?

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by nothuman

Do we really need to impose our will on anything in this life? Are we heading for our required destination with or without our efforts to navigate the journey? Do we make it harder on ourselves trying to use control in our human experience? Is dancing the same as standing still, only faster?

To me, the journey is from a life of human will to allowing life to flow through us.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by nothuman

The mind doesn't like the idea that there is nothing to do. It will view it as laziness but where have our minds got us si far?

The mind will remind you that society judges you to be lazy when you're sitting around all day meditating. Those are the voices of the social conditioning of culture in the mind. It's how we are controlled even when we are alone. Our minds are used against us.

Having good character means that while no one was looking, the proper social conditionings are controlling you. When you do your own thing, whether from your heart or from your addictions, you are said to have bad character. Wrong.

[nothuman]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

The mind will remind you that society judges you to be lazy when you're sitting around all day meditating. Those are the voices of the social conditioning of culture in the mind. It's how we are controlled even when we are alone. Our minds are used against us.

Having good character means that while no one was looking, the proper social conditionings are controlling you. When you do your own thing, whether from your heart or from your addictions, you are said to have bad character. Wrong.

Gday Ron
Going against societies grain is never the easiest of things. Howwver you get to a point of 'surrender to the flow' where you have no other choice. I am not even sure if courage enters into it, you are simply in a corner and the only way out is straight ahead. If the gift of charactor comes with that, then so be it.

[nothuman]

PS i am probably a poster boy for laziness at the moment....but I have witnessed where reactive effort takes me and now I am trying something else..

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by nothuman

Gday Ron
Going against societies grain is never the easiest of things. Howwver you get to a point of 'surrender to the flow' where you have no other choice. I am not even sure if courage enters into it, you are simply in a corner and the only way out is straight ahead. If the gift of charactor comes with that, then so be it.

Right, the day comes where you simply can't take pretending and take self sacrifice anymore and you say "NO MORE!!"

[Moriarty]

Going with the flow doesn't necessarily mean to sit back and do nothing. One still has to forge the steps to move energy in any direction. We can then steer it, but not control its every twist and turn.

I dont believe we have a destiny map, nor do I think my life is random, so that leaves me somewhere in the middle.

As a kid, my dad used to always jokingly tell me that cars stood still and it was the earth spinning that made them move. (I believed it of course)...maybe that's what dancing is.

[nothuman]

Originally Posted by Moriarty

Going with the flow doesn't necessarily mean to sit back and do nothing. One still has to forge the steps to move energy in any direction. We can then steer it, but not control its every twist and turn.

I dont believe we have a destiny map, nor do I think my life is random, so that leaves me somewhere in the middle.

As a kid, my dad used to always jokingly tell me that cars stood still and it was the earth spinning that made them move. (I believed it of course)...maybe that's what dancing is.

Hiya M
What I am seeing now is, yes there is action required at times at other times not. But the call to arms comes from a deeper place not our minds. But it is the mind that claims to be the instigator. I don't see this as being the case. So therefore by dealing direct with the source is simply allowing it to be. As I experience at least.

[Moriarty]

Originally Posted by nothuman

Hiya M
What I am seeing now is, yes there is action required at times at other times not. But the call to arms comes from a deeper place not our minds. But it is the mind that claims to be the instigator. I don't see this as being the case. So therefore by dealing direct with the source is simply allowing it to be. As I experience at least.

Even to sit back and not take action is still a decision I make, therefore directive. One can think they know the mind and side-step it, but the mind is tricky and can still be directing you to do all this and make you believe its not directing you. Have you ever sat behind the wheel of a car, turned off your mind and allowed yourself to just drive without directing to see where you end up? I have...its an interesting exercise.

[nothuman]

Originally Posted by Moriarty

Even to sit back and not take action is still a decision I make, therefore directive. One can think they know the mind and side-step it, but the mind is tricky and can still be directing you to do all this and make you believe its not directing you. Have you ever sat behind the wheel of a car, turned off your mind and allowed yourself to just drive without directing to see where you end up? I have...its an interesting exercise.

Haha my sense of direction is bad enough as it is without doing that.
Granted the mind can be an evasive charactor and it is not cut and dried it is a learning experience. But hopefully my days of barking orders are at an end, I really can't be bothered anymore. I've done it for long enough and it never bought anything except for the need to repeat the process over and over. Stick a fork in me..... I'm done.

[Moriarty]

Originally Posted by nothuman

Haha my sense of direction is bad enough as it is without doing that.
Granted the mind can be an evasive charactor and it is not cut and dried it is a learning experience. But hopefully my days of barking orders are at an end, I really can't be bothered anymore. I've done it for long enough and it never bought anything except for the need to repeat the process over and over. Stick a fork in me..... I'm done.

What direction? just drive...I didn't say to plan a destination...the idea is to just drive and see where your subconscious takes you.

[nothuman]

Originally Posted by Moriarty

What direction? just drive...I didn't say to plan a destination...the idea is to just drive and see where your subconscious takes you.

Oh ...MY subconscious...lady you have NO idea.....you'll be peeling me off the floor of a crack den in Kings Cross

[Moriarty]

Originally Posted by nothuman

Oh ...MY subconscious...lady you have NO idea.....you'll be peeling me off the floor of a crack den in Kings Cross

Well mate, if thats where you end up without imposing your will and without effort of nagivating your journey (re OP) then thats your destination...and dont forget to add a slow dance when you get there.

[nothuman]

Originally Posted by Moriarty

Well mate, if thats where you end up without imposing your will and without effort of nagivating your journey (re OP) then thats your destination...and dont forget to add a slow dance when you get there.

In all seriousness I think we are coming at this from 2 different angles, sunshine. I am not advocating handing over to my subconscious...hell no...that would be horrible. It is becoming more a path from the heart.....I know that sounds corny but thats how it feels.

[Moriarty]

Originally Posted by nothuman

In all seriousness I think we are coming at this from 2 different angles, sunshine. I am not advocating handing over to my subconscious...hell no...that would be horrible. It is becoming more a path from the heart.....I know that sounds corny but thats how it feels.

nh and my exercise was presented in all seriousness. The idea of it is to let go of control and allow the flow to lead you. People have a lot of difficulty with letting go of wanting to control everything and its this thats usually the spanner-in-the-works of life.

So are we on the same page?

[nothuman]

Originally Posted by Moriarty

nh and my exercise was presented in all seriousness. The idea of it is to let go of control and allow the flow to lead you. People have a lot of difficulty with letting go of wanting to control everything and its this thats usually the spanner-in-the-works of life.

So are we on the same page?

I think we are possum....I just wasn't sure where the subconscious came into it as I had no intention of handing my life back to that sick puppy