HELL DOES EXIST!!! and thats where MICHEAL JACKSON IS!!!*mind blowing*

[The light]

Heaven and Hell do exist, for those who thought it was just a state of mind, this will blow you away! this reveals the literal truth of what really happens to people who die without accepting Jesus Christ as their lord and saviour. my friends Jesus is still and always will be the only way to heaven!!! this is an account of a believer in christ who was taken to see both heaven and hell by jesus christ so that the believer can come back and tell people that heaven and hell trully do exist. so that people can come to him and repent before its too late!!! here is a link Divine Revelations: Face to Face encounters with Jesus Christ
Documents/Prepare_to_meet_your_
God/index.htm

[RonSouther]

Sounds more like the unconscious mind vomitting....

[RonSouther]

BTW, where was Jesus from ages 12-29?

[The light]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

BTW, where was Jesus from ages 12-29?

Alive and preparing for hez purpose.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by The light

Alive and preparing for hez purpose.

How is it that a guy as important as Jesus disappears from scripture for so long? He was last heard of in the temple, challenging the high priests then he reappears, beginning his ministry.

[Wax Frog]

Have no fear, Pope the First will bust 'em out!

[taylor]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

How is it that a guy as important as Jesus disappears from scripture for so long? He was last heard of in the temple, challenging the high priests then he reappears, beginning his ministry.

There are other non-canonical gospels that account for that time. I don't remember their names, but they're out there if you're curious.

[taylor]

Originally Posted by The light

Alive and preparing for hez purpose.

More importantly why do you spell "his" like a lolcat.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by taylor

There are other non-canonical gospels that account for that time. I don't remember their names, but they're out there if you're curious.

Other accounts describe him as St. Issa in India. Wherever he was schooled wasn't acceptable to the authors of the Gospels.

[taylor]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

Other accounts describe him as St. Issa in India. Wherever he was schooled wasn't acceptable to the authors of the Gospels.

Really? I don't really care so I haven't investigated, but I remember there being a Gospel that had Jesus as a Jewish teen doing miracles and causing spectacles with them.

[RonSouther]

The scriptures of St. Issa are a really good read. He is said to be Jesus and the teachings are not "believe in me to go to heaven". They are "stop your foolishness with superstitions and idol worship".

My favorite one is this:

20 "Wherefore I say unto you, Beware of the day of judgment, for God will inflict a terrible chastisement upon all those who shall have led his children astray from the right path and have filled them with superstitions and prejudices;

[taylor]

That quote sounds like an OT prophet.

[CroMagna]

This is ridiculous. Why would a loving God send people he supposedly loves to a place of eternal suffering? And then has the nerve to cry about like a ♥♥♥♥♥ as if there's nothing he can do about it? And what kind of heaven is that where all day Jesus is crying?

I wish the Jackson family would sue for slander. How dare this stupid girl Angelica say that Mikey is in hell? Mikey loved the world and loved children. Everywhere he went he told people he loved them. He was actually much gentler than Jesus, who threw a tantrum in the marketplace. Plus he was Christian anyway!

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by taylor

That quote sounds like an OT prophet.

There's an awful lot of natural law in these scriptures. The "Father" is a metaphor, not a literal entity like in the bible.

What's hard to realize is that Jesus or St Issa or anyone that isnt contemporary wasn't speaking to us. The truth are timeless but the language isn't. He was speaking in the mentality of the people around him and we go astray when we take stuff literally instead of metaphorically or research culture of that time to better match Jesus's words to the intended meaning.

On top of that you got the issue of multiple translations by people that more than likely don't know the intended meaning.

On top of even that, its pretty much impossible to convey spiritual truths into words which is why parables and metaphors are needed.

We only need a contemporary that can point to the same truths that Jesus tried to point to. That is the true salvation, not this fear campaign that started this thread.

[The light]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

How is it that a guy as important as Jesus disappears from scripture for so long? He was last heard of in the temple, challenging the high priests then he reappears, beginning his ministry.

if every second of jesus christs life was written in the bible, then how big do u think the bible would be? Thats why only important, necessary events were written about his life in the bible.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

This is ridiculous. Why would a loving God send people he supposedly loves to a place of eternal suffering? And then has the nerve to cry about like a ♥♥♥♥♥ as if there's nothing he can do about it? And what kind of heaven is that where all day Jesus is crying?

I agree...."love" and "condemnation" cant occupy the same space.

And if God is the creator then he is responsible for his creation. If he made me capable of evil then he is responsible for the consequences of his creation.

And I can't see how the creator of the whole universe, consisting of untold zillions of stars and planets, could give a crap if his humans are stuck in an ego trip, especially when he created them to be capable of it. Is God a lost looney that needs other to be his happiness?

Ego is "satan". Ego is the anti-Christ. All of those ideas of satan and the anti-Christ can be found true of the ego also.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by The light

if every second of jesus christs life was written in the bible, then how big do u think the bible would be? Thats why only important, necessary events were written about his life in the bible.

Who cares that it would be huge....a guy that is the messiah is important enough to be documented.

Theres something seriously wrong about the existence of that gap.

And why is he complaining to God on the cross "why have you foresaken me?". What were Jesus's expectations that weren't being met? Why does Jesus need expectations at all? Isn't he God?

[The light]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

This is ridiculous. Why would a loving God send people he supposedly loves to a place of eternal suffering? And then has the nerve to cry about like a ♥♥♥♥♥ as if there's nothing he can do about it? And what kind of heaven is that where all day Jesus is crying?

I wish the Jackson family would sue for slander. How dare this stupid girl Angelica say that Mikey is in hell? Mikey loved the world and loved children. Everywhere he went he told people he loved them. He was actually much gentler than Jesus, who threw a tantrum in the marketplace. Plus he was Christian anyway!

jesus doesnt send people to hell, people send themselves to hell by failing to repent from their sin, jesus died for us so that we do not go to that place. he died in our place so that whoever believes in him gets eternal life...

[CroMagna]

I just read most of Zambrano's testimony and frankly I'm disgusted with Jesus. I don't even know where to begin.

Why does God need so many middle men?? Why can't he just reveal himself to us himself. What an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[desertrat]

You do know that heaven and hell are places on the astral plane. People believe so strongly that they have created them . I am sure Jesus has his mount to give sermons from , and maby M. Jackson is playing with little kids some where in hell, on the astral plane . desert rat

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by The light

jesus doesnt send people to hell, people send themselves to hell by failing to repent from their sin, jesus died for us so that we do not go to that place. he died in our place so that whoever believes in him gets eternal life...

So nobody before Jesus's time was saved? And saved from what? And why is Jesus such an ego maniac that you have to give him mere belief before you get the cookie of slavation he's holding onto? Dude, that's a mind game and what need does God and Jesus have of mind games? Why are they so petty that they have to beg and twist our arms with fear?

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by The light

jesus doesnt send people to hell, people send themselves to hell by failing to repent from their sin, jesus died for us so that we do not go to that place. he died in our place so that whoever believes in him gets eternal life...

Who in their right mind would send him or herself to hell?

And why should we repent for "sins"? Most of us are decent human beings just trying to make it. Meanwhile God sits idly by and watches children get molested and gives babies pancreatic cancer. Yet he doesn't have to repent and he doesn't have to burn in hell, which he should.

What about devout Muslims who were raised under Islam? They're going to hell just for having a different belief system? Why does there have to be a barometer for eternal life? Why can't we just automatically go there, especially given the fact that everyone pays his or her dues through suffering here on earth. And consider that you are being blackmailed into believing in something hard to believe so you don't really have free will.

[The light]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

Who cares that it would be huge....a guy that is the messiah is important enough to be documented.

Theres something seriously wrong about the existence of that gap.

And why is he complaining to God on the cross "why have you foresaken me?". What were Jesus's expectations that weren't being met? Why does Jesus need expectations at all? Isn't he God?

If only you read your bible you would understand what was happening!!! read your bible it has wisdom that surpresses human understanding(thats why jesus talks about having faith, u believe what doesnt make sense in your mind, but you believe its possible through the power of jesus). Life with christ is fasninating!!better than anything i know...,the joy i feel can only be explained by those who know him as well. all answers you need are in the bible, get to know jesus today, he is anxiously waitin 4 u...

[taylor]

My karma meter gets a little nervous with all this blasphemous talk.

There do seem to be at least astral experiences of hell I've heard about again and again from people. Might be wise not to engage in challenging what you perceive to be God.

If it is God, then it has nothing to do with your complaints and criticisms. You're angry at your own projections and judgments. Better not accumulate nasty blasphemy karma on top of your other errors.

I don't think anger at "God" is going to help anything anyway. May as well drop it.

[The light]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

Who in their right mind would send him or herself to hell?

And why should we repent for "sins"? Most of us are decent human beings just trying to make it. Meanwhile God sits idly by and watches children get molested and gives babies pancreatic cancer. Yet he doesn't have to repent and he doesn't have to burn in hell, which he should.

What about devout Muslims who were raised under Islam? They're going to hell just for having a different belief system? Why does there have to be a barometer for eternal life? Why can't we just automatically go there, especially given the fact that everyone pays his or her dues through suffering here on earth. And consider that you are being blackmailed into believing in something hard to believe so you don't really have free will.

nomatter how decent you are (according to your standards), if you dont accept christ in your life u wont see heaven, christ says i am the only way, not one of many ways, and god doesnt give no one diseases, its the devil who does. Jesus didnt come because he needs us, he came because we need him.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by The light

If only you read your bible you would understand what was happening!!! read your bible it has wisdom that surpresses human understanding(thats why jesus talks about having faith, u believe what doesnt make sense in your mind, but you believe its possible through the power of jesus). Life with christ is fasninating!!better than anything i know...,the joy i feel can only be explained by those who know him as well. all answers you need are in the bible, get to know jesus today, he is anxiously waitin 4 u...

You're wrapped up in a mind game. The mind creates the God logic called theology.

Enjoy your infatuation!

[SethWilliams]

Maybe there is a hell.

I would just move to be honest.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by The light

nomatter how decent you are (according to your standards), if you dont accept christ in your life u wont see heaven, christ says i am the only way, not one of many ways, and god doesnt give no one diseases, its the devil who does. Jesus didnt come because he needs us, he came because we need him.

God is onmipotent and the devil is not. So apparently God allows the devil to inflict suffering on innocent babies, for what?

How fair is it for decent human beings who don't accept Jesus to burn in hell?

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

Mikey loved the world and loved children. Everywhere he went he told people he loved them.

Yes, I think this was part of the problem.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by taylor

My karma meter gets a little nervous with all this blasphemous talk.

There do seem to be at least astral experiences of hell I've heard about again and again from people. Might be wise not to engage in challenging what you perceive to be God.

If it is God, then it has nothing to do with your complaints and criticisms. You're angry at your own projections and judgments. Better not accumulate nasty blasphemy karma on top of your other errors.

I don't think anger at "God" is going to help anything anyway. May as well drop it.

Who is angry at God?