Be Love

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

Maguru,
This is such a reality bend, and I'm not even being sarcastic. I work on healing myself, and all of a sudden you and Arcanum are getting along, and my perception of his posts is completely different, too. Grr subjective reality.

I feel like this would be a great time for a group hug if we were physically present. *gives group hug anyway*

It is, isn't it? I've only just 'realized it'. I've wanted to kill him many times and man, now I'm like a love sick puppy following him around. hahahahahah I saw him as my adversary and when I saw it in myself the walls came down. Now, I just want to take him home with me and argue with him all day long.

I agree to the group hug and many more to come. Let's suck it up. with love Paula

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I feel it for you and it isn't a willy nilly feeling of 'aren't you so wonderful to me and make me feel all warm and fuzzy'. Quite the opposite. That's why I know what it is.

Good. Yes, there is tremendous Love for you here, Paula.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

Maguru,
This is such a reality bend, and I'm not even being sarcastic. I work on healing myself, and all of a sudden you and Arcanum are getting along, and my perception of his posts is completely different, too. Grr subjective reality.

I feel like this would be a great time for a group hug if we were physically present. *gives group hug anyway*

Very nice. Now we're getting a glimpse of Love in action. She never looks the way we think she should.

[Arcanum]

BTW, we're not 'getting along' at all. Heheeee. It's not about that.

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

The discussion in this thread regarding effort has inspired me to change the wording of the practice a bit in the book. I still think it is a beneficial practice, but I wanted to make it clear that we aren't trying to be something we aren't already. It is more opening to what we are already.

Yes, I understand. Just keep in mind that the belief that there needs to be a slow opening up to who you are also isn't necessary. Although I do recognize that some are not ready yet and so there is a desire to keep things at a slow pace. Note, this isn't meant in any superior type of way. Just that some are not ready to awaken at all, some are enjoying the ride and some desire truth at all costs with no delays.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Good. Yes, there is tremendous Love for you here, Paula.

Oh man, I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed, a bit frightened to believe what is happening here. I'm feeling it and not in the way I expected to either. Very new to me.

Very nice. Now we're getting a glimpse of Love in action. She never looks the way we think she should.

You can say that again and I'm happy that you gave it the feminine touch.

Arcanum BTW, we're not 'getting along' at all. Heheeee. It's not about that.

You make me cry then make me laugh. You also make me feel like S##T but it's not about that, is it? What is it about, Arcanum?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg

Yes, I understand. Just keep in mind that the belief that there needs to be a slow opening up to who you are also isn't necessary. Although I do recognize that some are not ready yet and so there is a desire to keep things at a slow pace. Note, this isn't meant in any superior type of way. Just that some are not ready to awaken at all, some are enjoying the ride and some desire truth at all costs with no delays.

Oh, maybe you are right but it says far more about you than it does others.

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Oh, maybe you are right but it says far more about you than it does others.

I'm not quite sure what you mean. What is it you see that saying about me?

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg

Yes, I understand. Just keep in mind that the belief that there needs to be a slow opening up to who you are also isn't necessary. Although I do recognize that some are not ready yet and so there is a desire to keep things at a slow pace. Note, this isn't meant in any superior type of way. Just that some are not ready to awaken at all, some are enjoying the ride and some desire truth at all costs with no delays.

Thanks. I reread what I wrote, and don't see where I said it has to be slow. I appreciate the suggestion though.

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

Thanks. I reread what I wrote, and don't see where I said it has to be slow. I appreciate the suggestion though.

Yeah, you didn't say slow. 'Opening to' at least to me gives the impression of a process that probably isn't instantaneous. Much like a flower opening up. Like I said though, there's no problem with this so long as people are not under the impression that they have to forcefully open the flower.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg

I'm not quite sure what you mean. What is it you see that saying about me?

That you are not any of these in bold ...............

Although I do recognize that some are not ready yet and so there is a desire to keep things at a slow pace. Note, this isn't meant in any superior type of way. Just that some are not ready to awaken at all, some are enjoying the ride and some desire truth at all costs with no delays..........................

or you think you are not. Only you can truly know. Where does your observations of others place yourself?

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Maguru

You make me cry then make me laugh. You also make me feel like S##T but it's not about that, is it? What is it about, Arcanum?

For you it is about self love.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

For you it is about self love.

I think you might be right.
I think the hate is sponsored by fear of actually being unlovable. I certainly felt that I wasn't loved for who I was.

[Apopohis Reject]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I think you might be right.
I think the hate is sponsored by fear of actually being unlovable. I certainly felt that I wasn't loved for who I was.

You are so right Maguru. Fear is the underlying source of all emotion, so whenever we feel anything like disdain, disgust, guilt, anguish, anger, hate, or a whole range of 'emotions', and backwards trace the stepping stones to the wellspring in the past, we find loss (and it's sadness/devestation) and the fear such loss generated - and continues to do so.

This fear subsequently needs to be placed (somewhere) in our mentality, and then re-emerges under a great many 'emotions' - such as mentioned above.

[evolutionarypathways]

In one of the star wars movies young annekin skywalker was brought before the Jedi council to be considered for training as a Jedi night. Yoda (the head of the Jedi council), after examining him and asking him a series of questions, concluded that he will not be trained.

'Why not?' asked young Annekin (who was only a boy)

Yoda: 'Much fear I sense in you.'

Annekin: 'What does fear have to do with it?'

Yoda: 'EVERYTHING. Fear leads to anger...anger leads to hate...and hate leads to...SUFFERING.'

I think you made a very astute self observation there Paula. Just thought this might help you see it even clearer than you already are.

For those who know Star Wars like the back of their hand, please forgive the loose translation

[Beingist]

In my own experience, although real Love can sometimes bring you to your knees in gratitude, it can also be very ... tough.

I grew up with alcoholics, and in AlAnon circles, "tough love" is a recurring theme. But, this seems to apply to more than just alcoholics. It really applies to everyone who, on occasion, need to be slapped in the face (either literally or metaphorically), when they get a little crazy.

Just a thought.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Maguru
I think you might be right.
I think the hate is sponsored by fear of actually being unlovable. I certainly felt that I wasn't loved for who I was.

You are so right Maguru. Fear is the underlying source of all emotion, so whenever we feel anything like disdain, disgust, guilt, anguish, anger, hate, or a whole range of 'emotions', and backwards trace the stepping stones to the wellspring in the past, we find loss (and it's sadness/devestation) and the fear such loss generated - and continues to do so.

This fear subsequently needs to be placed (somewhere) in our mentality, and then re-emerges under a great many 'emotions' - such as mentioned above.

In one of the star wars movies young annekin skywalker was brought before the Jedi council to be considered for training as a Jedi night. Yoda (the head of the Jedi council), after examining him and asking him a series of questions, concluded that he will not be trained.

'Why not?' asked young Annekin (who was only a boy)

Yoda: 'Much fear I sense in you.'

Annekin: 'What does fear have to do with it?'

Yoda: 'EVERYTHING. Fear leads to anger...anger leads to hate...and hate leads to...SUFFERING.'

I think you made a very astute self observation there Paula. Just thought this might help you see it even clearer than you already are.

For those who know Star Wars like the back of their hand, please forgive the loose translation

Originally Posted by Beingist

In my own experience, although real Love can sometimes bring you to your knees in gratitude, it can also be very ... tough.

I grew up with alcoholics, and in AlAnon circles, "tough love" is a recurring theme. But, this seems to apply to more than just alcoholics. It really applies to everyone who, on occasion, need to be slapped in the face (either literally or metaphorically), when they get a little crazy.

Just a thought.

Thanks guys for the insights and support. It's not easy looking at your own crap and getting metaphorically slapped all over the place, but worth it.

[RonSouther]

The need to be loved and understood...a very nice read!

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Thanks guys for the insights and support. It's not easy looking at your own crap and getting metaphorically slapped all over the place, but worth it.

I don't think anyone's slapping you here, Paula. I, for one, have others around here to slap.

No, I think in your case, the Love you need is in the form of simple and pure understanding.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Beingist

I don't think anyone's slapping you here, Paula. I, for one, have others around here to slap.

No, I think in your case, the Love you need is in the form of simple and pure understanding.

ditto...nicely said....

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Beingist

I don't think anyone's slapping you here, Paula. I, for one, have others around here to slap.

No, I think in your case, the Love you need is in the form of simple and pure understanding.

I suppose the metaphorical slap is how I receive the understanding.
It seems the more I understand the less there is for me to know.

Keep up the good work.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Maguru

It seems the more I understand the less there is for me to know.

Keep up the good work.

Poifect.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by Maguru

It seems the more I understand the less there is for me to know.

Knowledge is overrated.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Knowledge is overrated.

hahahahah Certainly is and you can have too much of a good thing.

[Ishh]

Raise Your Vibrational Frequency to Higher Consciousness and Heal - YouTube

Seeing this video I remembered the day I practiced this... So I am going to do this again.....

[bodi]

Originally Posted by evolutionarypathways

Yoda: 'Much fear I sense in you.'

Annekin: 'What does fear have to do with it?'

Yoda: 'EVERYTHING. Fear leads to anger...anger leads to hate...and hate leads to...SUFFERING.'

this is one of the greatest truths, IMO, to come out of Star Wars.

It also seems to me that fear often comes from.....ignorance.

Originally Posted by Beingist

In my own experience, although real Love can sometimes bring you to your knees in gratitude, it can also be very ... tough.

I grew up with alcoholics, and in AlAnon circles, "tough love" is a recurring theme. But, this seems to apply to more than just alcoholics. It really applies to everyone who, on occasion, need to be slapped in the face (either literally or metaphorically), when they get a little crazy.

Just a thought.

I completely agree with this. I think a lot of people do others an injustice and are unloving in the name of love because they don't understand this. Nice post.

[evolutionarypathways]

Originally Posted by bodi

this is one of the greatest truths, IMO, to come out of Star Wars.

It also seems to me that fear often comes from.....ignorance.

Yes! So true...

Unfortunately it seems like a self perpetuating cycle, since fear helps keep ignorance in place. If the person is afraid of the consequences of a truth, then they will most likely refuse to see, or admit, that truth. They remain ignorant.

This is why courage, or being en-couraged, is so important.

Originally Posted by bodi

I completely agree with this. I think a lot of people do others an injustice and are unloving in the name of love because they don't understand this. Nice post.

Yeah, I agree with this too. I like the way you put it, 'are unloving in the name of love.' This happens when people think that love needs to look a certain way. Love has nothing to do with appearances. I might even go so far as to say it has nothing to do with feeling either. Love is an intention thing in my opinion.