Be Love

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

If I'm talking to strict Christians, I call intuition the gift of prophecy. That makes it acceptable.

It's like the theologians take something like intuition that they don't understand then personify it and worship it superstitiously. The stories they create are such a poison to us all and the ones that readily grab onto these stories are the children.

If we didn't indoctrinate the kids then there's no way that kid as an adult would accept these teachings. The kids would be too intelligent at that point to be fooled by superstitions.

Both nations and religions exploit the eager trust of children.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

No one is spiritually inferior. Why don't you start doing the practice, and see what happens?

The experiences don't matter. Nothing could seem to happen ,but if you are being Love, that is all that matters, and the expression will show itself eventually.

I'm curious to know how you know how Love is supposed to be. Does it mean feeling loving or acting loving or....?

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

It's like the theologians take something like intuition that they don't understand then personify it and worship it superstitiously. The stories they create are such a poison to us all and the ones that readily grab onto these stories are the children.

If we didn't indoctrinate the kids then there's no way that kid as an adult would accept these teachings. The kids would be too intelligent at that point to be fooled by superstitions.

Both nations and religions exploit the eager trust of children.

Do you understand it?

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

I'm curious to know how you know how Love is supposed to be. Does it mean feeling loving or acting loving or....?

yes, in that order....having an energy to share then finding a way to act it out authentically.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Do you understand it?

Yup....you?

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by Reefs

"Be love" is efforting.

That's why I said try "Love being" which could translate into "I am love just being" or "I love being". That takes all the pressure of behaving in a certain way which makes it more natural. Otherwise you have to constantly monitor your thoughts/behavior as if you were your own thought police.

Yep. All we gotta do is take a little trip up to the emotional mastery section and talk to all the folks trying to "be happiness" to know the results of such endeavors. When the opposite which may very well be some form of hate swings around there's a tendency for guilt and self punishment to arise and the whole thing just falls off the tracks.

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg

Yep. All we gotta do is take a little trip up to the emotional mastery section and talk to all the folks trying to "be happiness" to know the results of such endeavors. When the opposite which may very well be some form of hate swings around there's a tendency for guilt and self punishment to arise and the whole thing just falls off the tracks.

That may be true for some. However, as I mentioned in my post on day 2, though I failed for a time, I in no way felt guilty. I fell into that trap once, and know how unhealthy it is. However, now I have helpful tools to deal with these failures and turn them into positive events by enabling them to teach me where I am going wrong, so there is no guilt.

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

I'm curious to know how you know how Love is supposed to be. Does it mean feeling loving or acting loving or....?

If you are honestly curious, that is one thing, but I am pretty familiar with your history in other threads, and I doubt it is a sincere curiosity that drives your question. This thread is already really helping the people who read it (I've gotten several messages in that regard), and I don't want to degrade it with debate on whether we can be Love, or whether Love is a feeling, an action, just being, etc. That's not the point of this thread. It is just to experience whatever you experience, and none of it is wrong, but to see how such a practice can really be a catalyst to growth.

If you want to join in, that's great.

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

I'm curious to know how you know how Love is supposed to be. Does it mean feeling loving or acting loving or....?

In case you are sincerely interested, and for the sake of others who might have the same question, I will attempt an answer:

I'm not saying that Love will manifest in any certain way. It has manifested in different ways for Christine than it has for me, and it is readily observable. However, it is the same force of Love that is behind all of it, so the manifestations don't really matter. They are what they are.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

yes, in that order....having an energy to share then finding a way to act it out authentically.

Then maybe we could call it 'being nice'?

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

Yup....you?

Many moons ago, I used to ask questions and write down the answers I got from somewhere. It was shocking, wonderful, frightening and crystal clear. One day I thought to ask the question, 'Who am I talking to?' The answer was 'You're talking to yourself." I understood the meaning of "Ask and ye shall receive" as well as "I and the Father are one". I put the pen down but I didn't stop talking to myself.

What is intuition? I don't have a clue, but I DO know it makes no difference if I'm talking to God or Jesus or Buddha or Krishna or Einstein. I'm still talking to myself.

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Many moons ago, I used to ask questions and write down the answers I got from somewhere. It was shocking, wonderful, frightening and crystal clear. One day I thought to ask the question, 'Who am I talking to?' The answer was 'You're talking to yourself." I understood the meaning of "Ask and ye shall receive" as well as "I and the Father are one". I put the pen down but I didn't stop talking to myself.

What is intuition? I don't have a clue, but I DO know it makes no difference if I'm talking to God or Jesus or Buddha or Krishna or Einstein. I'm still talking to myself.

I love this, and I think it's absolutely true.

Were just talking to aspects of ourselves, whether that aspect is spiritual or physical.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg

Yep. All we gotta do is take a little trip up to the emotional mastery section and talk to all the folks trying to "be happiness" to know the results of such endeavors. When the opposite which may very well be some form of hate swings around there's a tendency for guilt and self punishment to arise and the whole thing just falls off the tracks.

That train wreck is already being replicated here.
This is why I say 'come empty'. Nobody owns, controls or causes Love, which is what it means to say you ARE Love. If one IS Love, there's nothing one can do to BE Love or DO Love. One can only stop pretending to be something at all, or do what they think Love is.

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

That train wreck is already being replicated here.

You have a strange idea of a train wreck.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

If you are honestly curious, that is one thing, but I am pretty familiar with your history in other threads, and I doubt it is a sincere curiosity that drives your question. This thread is already really helping the people who read it (I've gotten several messages in that regard), and I don't want to degrade it with debate on whether we can be Love, or whether Love is a feeling, an action, just being, etc. That's not the point of this thread. It is just to experience whatever you experience, and none of it is wrong, but to see how such a practice can really be a catalyst to growth.

If you want to join in, that's great.

I AM genuinely curious about what folks are trying to be, though I do have a notion that there's some confusion going on.

I'm sorry if the discussion doesn't go the way you want it to, but it seems that if one is trying to be Love, it's actually necessary to have some idea of what that means. In the absence of that, everyone will try to be their idea of Love, and everybody's idea is likely to be different according to their understanding.

The fact that you get an enthusiastic response and emails telling you how helpful the exercise is, isn't an indication that it's actually helpful, only that it feels good to focus on something positive until the other end of the duality stick comes into view. You've heard 3 posters talk about how they've lost this focus in the past, for some unknown reason, and you're already experiencing it for yourself now, though your inclination is of course to view it as a temporary aberration that you're learning from.

What it is, is duality at work. Your focus on your idea of what Love is, only has meaning against the backdrop of your idea of what it is not. To focus on what Love is, is to also focus on what it is not, and both polarities will be experienced; both the one you want and the one you are avoiding.

Understanding this would constitute actual "growth". By all means carry on and see for yourself.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

In case you are sincerely interested, and for the sake of others who might have the same question, I will attempt an answer:

I'm not saying that Love will manifest in any certain way. It has manifested in different ways for Christine than it has for me, and it is readily observable. However, it is the same force of Love that is behind all of it, so the manifestations don't really matter. They are what they are.

It 'manifests' in different ways for different peeps because you all have a different idea about what it is. Looking for what you think love is, is no different from looking for what you think it is not, since one defines the other. If this thread were devoted to manifesting hate, the eventual result would be the experience of love for everybody. It matters little where you begin on the duality merry-go-round.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

You have a strange idea of a train wreck.

Well, at the moment it's all flashing lights and a soothing 'clip-clop', but keep your head up.

[raykilleen]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

What is intuition? I don't have a clue, but I DO know it makes no difference if I'm talking to God or Jesus or Buddha or Krishna or Einstein. I'm still talking to myself.

Awareness observing awareness, how ironically playful!

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by raykilleen

Awareness observing awareness, how ironically playful!

Indeed!

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

yes, in that order....having an energy to share then finding a way to act it out authentically.

That would also apply to anger.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Then maybe we could call it 'being nice'?

For me that is the definition of love...an unconditional gift of self...the fragrance of the true being that needs nothing of another yet enjoys the love of the other too. That two can love allows a depth or a height of love...an amazing experience!

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Many moons ago, I used to ask questions and write down the answers I got from somewhere. It was shocking, wonderful, frightening and crystal clear. One day I thought to ask the question, 'Who am I talking to?' The answer was 'You're talking to yourself." I understood the meaning of "Ask and ye shall receive" as well as "I and the Father are one". I put the pen down but I didn't stop talking to myself.

What is intuition? I don't have a clue, but I DO know it makes no difference if I'm talking to God or Jesus or Buddha or Krishna or Einstein. I'm still talking to myself.

For me it's been visions that pop into my head unexpectedly in a moment of silence. In the blink of an eye all of a sudden I can see a solution to something and then begin to articulate what I "saw". Those are some of the most amazing moments of my life.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

That train wreck is already being replicated here.
This is why I say 'come empty'. Nobody owns, controls or causes Love, which is what it means to say you ARE Love. If one IS Love, there's nothing one can do to BE Love or DO Love. One can only stop pretending to be something at all, or do what they think Love is.

I know for certain that the quality of my being is "loving creativity".

I also know for certain that THE impediment to being lovingly creative is "ego" which implies that the true self is not known, hence the false self. Ego inverts the gift of love to others into the lust of the consumption of others...greed. Creativity is still there but it's used to take instead of to give.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Reefs

That would also apply to anger.

yup, love-hate....That's the quality of the journey to self....we start in a position that is all about me, then as we evolve the journey becomes about the other but switches back to about self (love/hate) time and time again, and upon arriving to wholeness, only love is left and is nicely represented as compassion.

In the love/hate, we love so long as we are getting what we were looking for in the other, then we hate when we are not getting what we wanted.

When one realizes self, then one is no longer dependent upon another for any semblence of happiness and only love remains...compassion remains...an unconditional availability to give to others with no expectation of anything in return.

Hate is not of our being but of our mind that is greedy for a positive self image, greedy to control others out of fear of the other leaving the relationship, etc.... Realize self and the mind no longer has the job of trying to define self, which is done at the expense of others...one can't love while comparing.

[pianoperformer]

Today was a day of a lot of realizations and a lot of synchronicities.

I have realized more and more that when you are truly open to Love flowing in and through you, anything, and literally anything can happen.

I had a great confirmation this morning from someone who is reviewing my book. I won't go into detail, as I already did so in my Zero Limits thread, but it was a lot of validation for me and told me I am on the right path and doing the right thing.

I've noticed that healing is very spontaneous and effortless as well.

I've had a bit of a realization about healing though. I guess I've realized this somewhat in the past, but my understanding of it is deepening now.

In traditional healing, we try to change the thing that seems to be wrong. If you're sick, you want to no longer be sick. You are resisting your current condition.

In the context of this thread, this is certainly not loving what is. It is resisting what is and trying to change it to something we'd prefer.

My approach is beginning to be to look at why you are resisting this condition, and what it reflects within yourself. Once that is healed, then you can be more open to the condition either remaining the same, or healing — you really don't care either way. No matter what happens, you are at peace.

A great line from the book, Loving What Is is when Byron Katie says something like (paraphrased): "Until you're willing to have your car towed away and it not bother you, you aren't loving what is."

Until you're willing to love how you are right now, condition and all, it can't change. Or if it does, that resistance will manifest in another way.

This applies to everything, not only physical illness. This was reflected back to me today. I was resisting something that I thought should not be what it was, and attempted to take action to change it.

Thankfully, the person it involved was able to help me to see my resistance and overcome it. The outcome was better than I could have imagined, so there is no regret that I did react in that way. I must love even my resistance.

It makes me laugh how much reality just continuously pushes us into ourselves if we allow it to. Even when an emotion comes up that I don't like, if I accept it and love it, I am pushed back into my true Self (Love), and I can see the emotion for what it is. Then the resistance dissolves. When reality bothers me, I realize that i am in the way of Love, and in that way I am trying to be something I am not. Reality is the greatest teacher, if we are willing to take an honest look at it.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

Today was a day of a lot of realizations and a lot of synchronicities.

I have realized more and more that when you are truly open to Love flowing in and through you, anything, and literally anything can happen.

I had a great confirmation this morning from someone who is reviewing my book. I won't go into detail, as I already did so in my Zero Limits thread, but it was a lot of validation for me and told me I am on the right path and doing the right thing.

I've noticed that healing is very spontaneous and effortless as well.

I've had a bit of a realization about healing though. I guess I've realized this somewhat in the past, but my understanding of it is deepening now.

In traditional healing, we try to change the thing that seems to be wrong. If you're sick, you want to no longer be sick. You are resisting your current condition.

If you were not sick, wanting to be well wouldn't come into it. I don't think it is always resisting. I think it is knowing what is and what we desire to change the situation. LoA I believe.

[Carri C]

awesome day 3 insights pianoperformer. keep it coming. thanks for sharing.

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by Maguru

If you were not sick, wanting to be well wouldn't come into it. I don't think it is always resisting. I think it is knowing what is and what we desire to change the situation. LoA I believe.

If you desire to change something, then you are unhappy with (i.e., resisting), the way it is now. What is the reason for this resistance? This moment is perfect as it is; nothing needs to change, though it obviously will over time.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

If you desire to change something, then you are unhappy with (i.e., resisting), the way it is now. What is the reason for this resistance?

Resisting being happy about being sick?

This moment is perfect as it is; nothing needs to change, though it obviously will over time.

Maybe it is and maybe it doesn't have to change but the point is we want it to change. There is no resistance to change whatsoever.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

If you desire to change something, then you are unhappy with (i.e., resisting), the way it is now. What is the reason for this resistance? This moment is perfect as it is; nothing needs to change, though it obviously will over time.

+1

The only change needed is the continued catharsis of beliefs in order to reveal one's innate joy that is uncaused.