Everything Works Out Perfectly

[pianoperformer]

I mentioned this in another thread, but wanted to start a thread on this topic.

It's a phrase I encountered when studying ho ʻ oponopono, and it is apparently associated with huna.

It is something that I have been trying to live my life by as much as possible, and haven't seen any reason not to. That is, I've not seen any way in which everything does not work out perfectly.

It takes off a lot of stress when I am worrying about something. If i'm worried, I know that everything works out perfectly, even if it isn't necessarily the thing that my limited mind wants to happen. I know that it is still the best. It is so freeing, because I know I don't need to attempt to control everything, which is pointless anyway.

I'm interested to hear other people's experiences and opinions. Have you seen the truth of this statement?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

I mentioned this in another thread, but wanted to start a thread on this topic.

It's a phrase I encountered when studying ho ʻ oponopono, and it is apparently associated with huna.

It is something that I have been trying to live my life by as much as possible, and haven't seen any reason not to. That is, I've not seen any way in which everything does not work out perfectly.

It takes off a lot of stress when I am worrying about something. If i'm worried, I know that everything works out perfectly, even if it isn't necessarily the thing that my limited mind wants to happen. I know that it is still the best. It is so freeing, because I know I don't need to attempt to control everything, which is pointless anyway.

I'm interested to hear other people's experiences and opinions. Have you seen the truth of this statement?

Yes, going with the flow, knowing and trusting yourself to deal with anything that is thrown at you.

[Arz Sra]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

I mentioned this in another thread, but wanted to start a thread on this topic.

It's a phrase I encountered when studying ho ʻ oponopono, and it is apparently associated with huna.

It is something that I have been trying to live my life by as much as possible, and haven't seen any reason not to. That is, I've not seen any way in which everything does not work out perfectly.

It takes off a lot of stress when I am worrying about something. If i'm worried, I know that everything works out perfectly, even if it isn't necessarily the thing that my limited mind wants to happen. I know that it is still the best. It is so freeing, because I know I don't need to attempt to control everything, which is pointless anyway.

I'm interested to hear other people's experiences and opinions. Have you seen the truth of this statement?

For me, Perfection is a product of ones own understanding. Nothing is in order, nor in disorder. We tend to superimpose our opinions/judgement upon whatever we sense.

Concern is a subtle manifestation of fear; of holding on.

Understanding brings a sense of non-concern with perception itself. One then is not inclined to feel attracted to any particular perception. Be it prefect or non-perfect. This question does not arise at all.

Its the limitation of language that we have to use words such as perfection to describe that state. Its not perfect, nor imperfect. This issue arises only in the presence of concern. When there is no inclination towards any particular perception, which cannot happen in the presence of fear, one feels whatever there is without any need to name, judge, condemn or manipulate in any way.

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Yes, going with the flow, knowing and trusting yourself to deal with anything that is thrown at you.

Yes, but I see it even going beyond this. I am not the one who makes everything work out perfectly. I handle nothing. Sure, when something comes to me, I do what I do, whatever is natural at the moment, but I know I am not really in control of anything that happens. That is, not me as a limited mind. I have nothing to do with it. It is a surrendering—a letting go of control.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

Yes, but I see it even going beyond this. I am not the one who makes everything work out perfectly. I handle nothing. Sure, when something comes to me, I do what I do, whatever is natural at the moment, but I know I am not really in control of anything that happens. That is, not me as a limited mind. I have nothing to do with it. It is a surrendering—a letting go of control.

Are you pointing to god?

[ChrisGinsburg]

The word perfect is a bit too loaded and tends to give rise to all sorts of interesting interpretations. I guess that's why we always return to the old saying of everything just is.

[pianoperformer]

I agree that what is, is, but things really do seem to work out perfectly. That is, things seem to work out for my highest good, so I don't want to reduce it to what is, is, because that doesn't have to be for my highest good. These are two different things.

I am still saying that everything works out perfectly, and it does work in my life.

[ButterflyWoman]

Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg

The word perfect is a bit too loaded and tends to give rise to all sorts of interesting interpretations. I guess that's why we always return to the old saying of everything just is.

Yes, the word "perfect" seems to imply a certain kind of moral and ethical "rightness". I've had problems using that word, with people taking exception to it, so I try not to use it any more when talking about the perfection of the All.

But I have seen, and still see, that perfection, and by perfection, I don't mean "happy, fun, birdies singing, all is right with the world", though that's one aspect. I mean more like the way every thread in a complex tapestry is exactly where it has to be for the pattern to be represented. Move one thread, and you have a different design... *sigh* It's actually impossible to describe, even with a metaphor. Another reason I've given up trying (though I did just try, so I guess I haven't given up entirely, eh? )

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by CaterpillarWoman

Yes, the word "perfect" seems to imply a certain kind of moral and ethical "rightness". I've had problems using that word, with people taking exception to it, so I try not to use it any more when talking about the perfection of the All.

But I have seen, and still see, that perfection, and by perfection, I don't mean "happy, fun, birdies singing, all is right with the world", though that's one aspect. I mean more like the way every thread in a complex tapestry is exactly where it has to be for the pattern to be represented. Move one thread, and you have a different design... *sigh* It's actually impossible to describe, even with a metaphor. Another reason I've given up trying (though I did just try, so I guess I haven't given up entirely, eh? )

I get it. When you stand back you can see a bigger picture. If you did change one thread though it would still be 'perfect' but different. The tapestry of life.

[TuningIn]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

I mentioned this in another thread, but wanted to start a thread on this topic.

It's a phrase I encountered when studying ho ʻ oponopono, and it is apparently associated with huna.

It is something that I have been trying to live my life by as much as possible, and haven't seen any reason not to. That is, I've not seen any way in which everything does not work out perfectly.

It takes off a lot of stress when I am worrying about something. If i'm worried, I know that everything works out perfectly, even if it isn't necessarily the thing that my limited mind wants to happen. I know that it is still the best. It is so freeing, because I know I don't need to attempt to control everything, which is pointless anyway.

I'm interested to hear other people's experiences and opinions. Have you seen the truth of this statement?

Romans chapter 8:28 "And we know that all things work together for good."

The word has been used by many of you, as though dissecting the concept behind it will be relevant...but to be honest, and real about it, just the use of the word is ludicrous, for it being used would in and of itself, suggest the issue... that something could ever be "out of place"...unseen doubt built into the very thing you're beliving in...

OP : I truly understand exactly what you mean, and feel the same way. Semantics aside, you see alot, and find in all of your looking the reality that the only thing that could ever be out of place, is your own personal "interpretation" and blantant bias that causes you to ever even think about how everything is "in place" because anything else seems like some half-remembered dream that you didn't like anyway.

[pianoperformer]

TuningIn,

I love your post; thank you. And that is my favorite verse.

Yes, it is only when we try to argue with how things are that we suffer. If we would just trust, they often end up better than we could ever dream of for ourselves.

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

things seem to work out for my highest good

I do understand why you use the term perfect but can you elaborate on what you mean by this?

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg

I do understand why you use the term perfect but can you elaborate on what you mean by this?

All things considered, things seem to work for my benefit. If I surrender my own desires, the reality that occurs seems to be better for me than I could have imagined. My personal experience has proven this to be true in my life.

[pianoperformer]

Mod note: The discussion on the nature of God has been split to: The Nature of God and the Many Layers of Truth

I'm still interested to discuss this thread.

[sonde]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

It takes off a lot of stress when I am worrying about something. If i'm worried, I know that everything works out perfectly, even if it isn't necessarily the thing that my limited mind wants to happen. I know that it is still the best. It is so freeing, because I know I don't need to attempt to control everything, which is pointless anyway.

If everything works out perfectly... wondering what to "attempt to control" and what not to?

[TheJourney]

umm...I agree...

I guess I should add a bit more, ay? I'll comment on what was touched on above me ^

Seems the more you attempt to control, though, the more lessons you need to learn which will cloud the degree to which it is clearly perfect. It is always perfect, though. Completely going with the flow is the best way to see this clearly, though. Immersion into reality. No "self" analyzing and directing things.