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Old 10-21-2011, 05:59 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I don't think that is true at all, but anyway.

Clearly the desire to have mastery over ones Self comes from a place of desiring to improve and unleash ones own potential on the world and live in a more super conscious way, which seems more aligned with inner power.

The desire for having power over others comes from a more fear-based illusionary place that the Ego likes to encourage.

I also don't agree that self-mastery and self-empowerment is not the solution to the craving for power over others.

Once a person is on the path towards attaining true power within themselves and mastery over their emotions and ego, there is no need to have control over others, and more so, that person would want to encourage self- empowerment in others as they have experienced first hand the benefits and harmony and wholeness that comes with this attainment. In short, they are more likely to want to lift others up than see them become enslaved to the whims of their ego.

It is definitely not feeding the same wolf. They are different creatures all together.
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Clearly the desire to have mastery over ones Self comes from a place of desiring to improve and unleash ones own potential on the world and live in a more super conscious way, which seems more aligned with inner power.

You do not see fear here? Its all fear cloaked in sweet assumptions like ' Inner power'.
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Old 10-22-2011, 02:47 AM   #32 (permalink)
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How can you be so sure? Did you know him personally and followed him around 24/7/365? Or did you only read books published after 1939?

Don't forget that he was Time Magazine's person of the year for 1938!

That 'evil' word needs some clarification. The person of the year for 1930 was Gandhi, for 1939 Stalin and for 2008 Obama.



Who is 'we' that has a 'nature'? Tom, Dick and Harry?
I'm sorry? I don't believe evil exists, but per common terminology he is seen as one of the most evil men in history.
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Old 10-22-2011, 02:49 AM   #33 (permalink)
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An often used justification is to say " its human nature" . This justification stands only as long as one assumes that it cannot be transcended. But this is not true.
I don't think human nature exists. But it's a patent fact that humans hold the inclination to do bad. Throughout human history there have always been instances of inhumanity.
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Old 10-22-2011, 02:50 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Reefs, you are predictable like sunlight. People need big flashy neon lights to stay entertained.

If it helps, don't think of it as being predictable, think of it as being consistent.
Hehe, right.
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Old 10-22-2011, 02:57 AM   #35 (permalink)
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I'm sorry? I don't believe evil exists, but per common terminology he is seen as one of the most evil men in history.
Right. But it's only opinions. And opinions change constantly, that's my point.

The entire OP is based on opinion.
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Old 10-22-2011, 02:59 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Right. But it's only opinions. And opinions change constantly, that's my point.

The entire OP is based on opinion.
Wow! I never would have predicted THAT answer! Hehe.
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Old 10-22-2011, 03:03 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Right. But it's only opinions. And opinions change constantly, that's my point.

The entire OP is based on opinion.
What are only opinions? I think that the OP is mistaken in thinking that power is non-existent in humans, or even undesirable. who or what defines is desirable?
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Old 10-22-2011, 03:04 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Wow! I never would have predicted THAT answer! Hehe.
Well, the predictable part of Reefs might be that he doesn't play identity poker and doesn't smoke concepts for higher purposes.
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Old 10-22-2011, 06:16 AM   #39 (permalink)
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If there's a Hitler in me, I sure hope he likes enchiladas, 'cause that's what he's getting for dinner.
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Old 10-22-2011, 06:57 AM   #40 (permalink)
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If there's a Hitler in me, I sure hope he likes enchiladas, 'cause that's what he's getting for dinner.
You'll know if he's disturbed by them.
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Don't forget that he was Time Magazine's person of the year for 1938!

That 'evil' word needs some clarification. The person of the year for 1930 was Gandhi, for 1939 Stalin and for 2008 Obama.
What's that got to do with anything? TIME doesn't choose their person of the year because of admirable qualities but because they had such a significant effect on the world that year. They chickened out of putting Osama bin Laden on the cover in 2001.
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What's that got to do with anything? TIME doesn't choose their person of the year because of admirable qualities but because they had such a significant effect on the world that year. They chickened out of putting Osama bin Laden on the cover in 2001.
OMG, you could be right!

But Hitler was nominated for the peace nobel prize in 1939 and Stalin in 1945 and 1948!
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OMG, you could be right!

But Hitler was nominated for the peace nobel prize in 1939 and Stalin in 1945 and 1948!
Just don't blame TIME magazine for that!

Hitler was nominated by one individual and that nomination was later retracted. I don't know much about the Stalin nominations.

Facts on the Nobel Peace Prizes
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Hitler vs. Gandhi...great read!

Educated ? Mahatma Gandhi ? Caste? ? Osho Online Library
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