Suffering by Choice

[zeitgeist]

Many addicts said that they in the end beat their addiction by praying to their Higher Selves to intervene. Good, if that worked for them, but I still think we can aim higher than that because in this case the 'conscious I' still feels small compared to that Force that intervenes.

When Jesus was tempted to turn stone into bread, defy gravity or rule all kingdoms of the earth, at this moment there was turmoil in Him, because He was power hungry like so many of us. Yet, He decided not to follow through despite his temptation. It was the 'conscious I' that made this choice and not a Higher Power.

A spiritual path is a continuous flow of decisions, and some of them are painful. Suffering is part of the healing process as we all know. The good news, you don't need help from a Higher Power, instead it is dawning on you that You Are the Higher Power.♥Dare I say it, it is dawning on You that You become God's equal.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Many addicts said that they in the end beat their addiction by praying to their Higher Selves to intervene. Good, if that worked for them, but I still think we can aim higher than that because in this case the 'conscious I' still feels small compared to that Force that intervenes.

When Jesus was tempted to turn stone into bread, defy gravity or rule all kingdoms of the earth, at this moment there was turmoil in Him, because He was power hungry like so many of us. Yet, He decided not to follow through despite his temptation. It was the 'conscious I' that made this choice and not a Higher Power.

A spiritual path is a continuous flow of decisions, and some of them are painful. Suffering is part of the healing process as we all know. The good news, you don't need help from a Higher Power, instead it is dawning on you that You Are the Higher Power.♥Dare I say it, it is dawning on You that You become God's equal.

Hallelujah! I'm certain that a loving creator would want no less. Thankyou How did you come to reach this perspective?

[nothuman]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Many addicts said that they in the end beat their addiction by praying to their Higher Selves to intervene. Good, if that worked for them, but I still think we can aim higher than that because in this case the 'conscious I' still feels small compared to that Force that intervenes.

When Jesus was tempted to turn stone into bread, defy gravity or rule all kingdoms of the earth, at this moment there was turmoil in Him, because He was power hungry like so many of us. Yet, He decided not to follow through despite his temptation. It was the 'conscious I' that made this choice and not a Higher Power.

A spiritual path is a continuous flow of decisions, and some of them are painful. Suffering is part of the healing process as we all know. The good news, you don't need help from a Higher Power, instead it is dawning on you that You Are the Higher Power.♥Dare I say it, it is dawning on You that You become God's equal.

Thats really timely to me. I have a tendancy to react to what direction I should take. Spurred on by my heart and my feelings initially. After a short time ...wisdom ( conscious I ) enters into it & sometimes vetoes the hearts choices doesn't matter how painful the results.

The HS seems to hum in the background just pleased to have gotten me this conflict.

Witnessing all of this is a trip in itself. Please don't get me started on God.

[zeitgeist]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Hallelujah! I'm certain that a loving creator would want no less. Thankyou How did you come to reach this perspective?

I still can't believe it that I actually wrote it ... Well, I guess if your motto happens to be 'aim high' that is where you eventually will end up.

Greetings to down under!

[zeitgeist]

Originally Posted by nothuman

Thats really timely to me. I have a tendancy to react to what direction I should take. Spurred on by my heart and my feelings initially. After a short time ...wisdom ( conscious I ) enters into it & sometimes vetoes the hearts choices doesn't matter how painful the results.

The HS seems to hum in the background just pleased to have gotten me this conflict.

Witnessing all of this is a trip in itself. Please don't get me started on God.

Where does the wisdom come from, the heart or the mind? My motto happens to be, 'When in doubt, go with the heart!'

Greetings to down under!

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Many addicts said that they in the end beat their addiction by praying to their Higher Selves to intervene. Good, if that worked for them, but I still think we can aim higher than that because in this case the 'conscious I' still feels small compared to that Force that intervenes.

When Jesus was tempted to turn stone into bread, defy gravity or rule all kingdoms of the earth, at this moment there was turmoil in Him, because He was power hungry like so many of us. Yet, He decided not to follow through despite his temptation. It was the 'conscious I' that made this choice and not a Higher Power.

But he also said 'I and the Father are one', which is the whole point of the addict deferring to a higher power. It amounts to the surrendering of the idea of a separate "conscious I".

[nothuman]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Where does the wisdom come from, the heart or the mind? My motto happens to be, 'When in doubt, go with the heart!'

Greetings to down under!

Grettings to up over......

Maybe an example would be that some of the most destructive relationships started off as strong heartfelt attachments based on feeling.
The wisdom for me is not just the mind imposing its will .... it appears to be awareness based as its interaction is non reactive.
But yes, I too will lead from the heart rather than the mind.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Many addicts said
that they in the end beat their addiction by praying to their Higher Selves to intervene. Good, if that worked for them,
but I still think we can aim higher than that, because in this case the 'conscious I' still feels small compared to that Force that intervenes.

Great! - let's keep praying for GOD, to fix stupidities
(like drug-abuse) people allow themselves to fall into.
What
ever happened to the good-ole practices of PREVENTION:
you know like NOT taking drugs in the 1st. place
(prescribed, OTC, recreation, or otherwise) - Talk about Intelligence!

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

When Jesus was tempted to turn stone into bread, defy gravity or rule all kingdoms of the earth,

at this moment there was turmoil in Him, because
He was power hungry like so many of us.

Um, that is utter & complete NONsense!

God, as Jesus Christ -
1. had NO 'turmoil' in Him about anything!
(IF He had, He would cease being God.)
2. Nor was HE "power-hungry": AS GOD, HE HAS ALL POWER.

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Yet, He decided not to follow through despite his temptation.

oh for Pete's sake!!

AS GOD, JESUS was never 'tempted'. Read the text right!

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

The good news, you don't need help from a Higher Power,
instead it is dawning on you that You Are the Higher Power.♥
Dare I say it, it is dawning on You that You become God's equal.

Telling yourself, and worse others LIES, is not getting
yourself anywhere, except into more "temptation".
STOP!
And take the right path... in the Holy Name of JESUS... Amen!

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

I still can't believe it that I actually wrote it ... Well, I guess if your motto happens to be 'aim high' that is where you eventually will end up.

Greetings to down under!

I couldn't believe my eyes either. heheh. You are braver than me but maybe god planted the seed of this idea. This couldn't have just come to you out of the blue. I think you must have been processing some deep thinking. Thankyou

[zeitgeist]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

Um, that is utter & complete NONsense!

God, as Jesus Christ -
1. had NO 'turmoil' in Him about anything!
(IF He had, He would cease being God.)
2. Nor was HE "power-hungry": AS GOD, HE HAS ALL POWER.

And take the right path... in the Holy Name of JESUS... Amen!

I don't understand ... I am referring to the three temptations that mark the transition for Jesus from human to God (as you put it). Why do you think there was no turmoil in Him at that time?

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

I don't understand ...
I am referring to the three temptations
that mark the transition for Jesus from human to God (as you put it).
Why do you think there was no turmoil in Him at that time?

For GOD, there was no 'transition'; therefore He had no 'turmoil', and
consequently also no 'temptations'.

God, as Jesus, lived amongst us THE EXAMPLE... in everything
(except the crucifixion). He spared us that.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

For GOD, there was no 'transition'; therefore He had no 'turmoil', and
consequently also no 'temptations'.

God, as Jesus, lived amongst us THE EXAMPLE... in everything
(except the crucifixion). He spared us that.

Interesting belief system. Jesus was born a human just like anybody else, and awakened to his true nature as inseparable from the Father (God), but not until he had transcended his human consciousness. We are all what Jesus discovered himself to be.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Jesus was born a human just like anybody else,
and
awakened to his true nature as inseparable from the Father (God),
but not until he had transcended his human consciousness.
We are all what Jesus discovered himself to be.

Your 1st. statement is mostly true.

Your next 3 statements are not taught by either God, nor
as Jesus, nor in the Bible, nor by God's Holy Spirit.

That you like the sound of such "Interesting belief system",
does not make them true. - But don't take my word for it,
find the Truth for yourself. For God's TRUTH will set you free...

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

Your 1st. statement is mostly true.

Just so's we can avoid a game of dueling Biblical passages, which I will lose, lets just look at this. What has been suggested is that Jesus struggled in his humanness. You say no because he was God. I say Jesus was born human just like the rest of us. You say mostly yes. Do you see what appears to be a contradiction?

[Solipsist]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

Your next 3 statements are not taught by either God, nor as Jesus, nor in the Bible, nor by God's Holy Spirit.

Gee, if you know this, you must have a direct line straight to God that no one else does.

In which case, you're my savior!!

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

For God's TRUTH will set you free...

That's a rather meaningless statement.

Only persons can say that. But persons can't set be free and anything other than persons is already free.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Reefs

That's a rather meaningless statement.

Only persons can say that. But persons can't set be free and anything other than persons is already free.

Well, if we said God's Truth will set you free of yourself, it wouldn't be very interesting anymore.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Well, if we said God's Truth will set you free of yourself, it wouldn't be very interesting anymore.

Maybe that got lost in translation over the centuries.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Maybe that got lost in translation over the centuries.

Yes, though "lost" is a bit euphemistic.