How can people that believe in subjective reality believe in God?

[nosussbeliefs]

If you beleive you have your own reality.. rules and perceptions are created by you. In essence you are god, because you are making your own reality. How can you then believe in an entity god?

It would be a contridication for a christian to believe in subjective reality and also christianity. Because definitions of whats right and wrong is formed by subjective reality. So on one hand you are saying "i make the rules, i make reality" then on the other hand you are saying a seperate entity god made the rules of whats right and wrong.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Don't identify with each belief in such a way. I can adopt Christian Principles for one situation. Then Muslim Principles. then an Atheist. Then a Subjectivist. And Objectivist. And a Scientologist. Its all about which is best for the situation.

[nosussbeliefs]

But then you are not a true follower of the specified belief system. You are just picking at which parts of various religions suit you.

[Groundless]

But then you are not a true follower of the specified belief system. You are just picking at which parts of various religions suit you.

This happens in science too. It is called changing your hypothesis.

Do you feel people have to be a "true follower" for it to be a valid belief system?

There are many differing answers to your question.

It would be a contridication for a christian to believe in subjective reality and also christianity.

Maybe, maybe not. Which Christianity? Who's subjctive reality? Aye, there is the crux.

Because definitions of whats right and wrong is formed by subjective reality.

Or told to you in doctrine or social rules or dogma.

[InJoy]

Originally Posted by nosussbeliefs

But then you are not a true follower of the specified belief system. You are just picking at which parts of various religions suit you.

Excellent point. And there is a difference. If I apply the parts of religions that suit or serve me, I can see life through all of the lenses, or some of them, or one at a time. Whatever works for the situation.

However if I am being a Christian (or whatever), I am taking on that religion as my identity. I allow it to become who I am, inasmuch as a person can become anything outside him or herself. In that case, I think you are right. You can't simultaneously Be a Christian and believe in SR, or anything else that contradicts Christianity.

A great reference on this subject is Steve's podcast on religion. Gave me a new perspective on how I see myself in regards to my beliefs. Since listening to that and thinking about it a great deal, I have begun to own my beliefs and disallowed my beliefs to own (or be) me.

[Lychee]

If you believe solely in subjective reality, then you can make yourself believe that black is really red and 1+1=3. If some so-called "spiritual masters" who taught subjective reality weren't able to change the fundamentals of reality as hypothetically stated in the above example, then the premise of a complete, 100% subjective reality is false. No one can change the fact that 1+1=2, that the universe is expanding, that stars emit energy. If you do believe solely in subjective reality, then absolutely anything you want to be would be possible. But that simply is not possible. You can't be in two places at one time. You can't snap your fingers and achieve success with zero effort. Why? Because we are bound by law, and this law restricts complete subjective reality.

The fact is that there is both a subjective reality and an objective reality. For example, if you believe that a particular rock is God and you sincerely believe that to be true, then you will react accordingly. This is your subjective reality. You may begin to weep, revere the rock, and you may even become very emotional when you think about it. However, the objective reality is that this is just a rock. You have to have your subjective reality align with objective reality. Just because the fact that you think the rock is God is true for you in the sense of your faith and belief in it, that does not mean that it is the real Truth.

[absvan]

I think people have gotten it all wrong.

SR does not say that there is no god and that you are god ...... but that you have the ability to see things through the eyes of god. There is this consciousness where the universe, world and things happen. Beyond consciousness there is GOD -which cannot be explained but can only be experinced.

If you have read the book "I am that" Maharaj says that its something that cannot be explained. I dont remeber exactly but he says that you would get lost in it.....pure awareness (if my memory is right).

[Keith]

Well yeh, Christian God is pretty clearly fictitious - I don't see the dilemma.

Though hypothetically if there was such an entity, he 'made us in his own image', so it's not unreasonable that we'd be godlike too...