Here's what I don't get about ego-loss

[Antigod]

You guys are missing the point - you are not "in" your body, your body IS you.

You aren't just the conscious mind part, you are also all the unconscious parts too!
Your heart beat, digestion, etc - that's you too, even though you don't directly control it.

To say you aren't human is ridiculous - just look in the mirror.

Arcanum, do you deliberately try to be confusing or is speaking in vague platitudes something that naturally comes along with ego-loss?

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Antigod

You guys are missing the point - you are not "in" your body, your body IS you.

Yes, but you are not your body.

To say you aren't human is ridiculous - just look in the mirror.

Wait here. I'll be right back...............OMG! You're right!

Arcanum, do you deliberately try to be confusing or is speaking in vague platitudes something that naturally comes along with ego-loss?

Seems to come pretty naturally. Hehe.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg

Yes, the mind is pretty quiet on those fronts because it can not find a satisfactory answer. Again, who is this I that can't trespass another's being? I ask because you say you are unable to do so.

Who goes on a hunt for beliefs and ego left within them? Is it not mind in one costume looking for mind in another costume? The searching leads to only more searching. Ego does not break off in bite size chunks or slowly wilt like a flower. Ego is merely an idea or an identification with ones thoughts. Noticing who you really are collapses both the belief system itself as well as the idea of ego.

Thanks for restating the question....I missed the nuance the first time... :-)

There are two "I's".

There is the "I" that the ego creates, the idea that the self is separate.

And there is the "I" that exists because of the limitations of vocabulary. So when I say that I can see my mind, the "I" that is seeing it isnt an "I" but a consciousness, a presence of the whole in each of us. Using "I" is confusing but necessary to express one's uniqueness but doesnt mean separation.

The "I" that the mind sees is the illusion of separation called the ego. To try to make that illusion real, it has to enforce that illusion on others. If my ego is that I am the boss and the people around me are lowly slaves then thoses subordinates must act like lowly slaves for my ego to be "true". That is the killer of love in the world....the forced compliance and obedience to each other's egos or all hell breaks loose including world war.

Who is the "I" asking the question "who am I?". I dont see "who am I?" as a literal question until the mind has the vocabulary to try to verbalize what the question represents.

To me the question is representative of both wonderment, because nature is astonishing, especially to the whole minds of the babies. Yet being alive as a human is also scary as it takes a moment to moment effort to take care of this body and mind and that baby doesnt know how to do it. Its hungry but doesnt know what to do, its got a dirty diaper and doesnt know what to do.

The spiritual love of the mother kills the fear as she feeds the tummy and changes the diaper and restores the baby's body to comfort.

To me, "who am I?" represents that combination of wonderment and fear and then as vocabulary grows and as the baby grows and learns to be self sufficient, the question evolves to "what is the meaning or purpose to life?"

To me, there is no purpose, just the beauty of life itself. And to me, "God's Will" (for those that think theres some entity with a plan) is simply to be my natural whole self and nothing more. As a natural being, i will automatically look for ways to love and create in a way that is a gift to the world. That "I" know to the core of my being.

The Ten Commandments and other religious laws aren't needed for those that "give" authentically of self but for those that are still stuck in ego, taking dignity from others in millions of different ways. To me, "ego" is the only satan as the mind is greed (greedy to solve problems including a longing to be happy), and awareness that catharts beliefs (especially the ego belief system) is the only salvation. The commandments are a play on the ego/mind to force social order.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

You're assuming that oneness is a big person with a big brain that knows everything. That's not how it is. In your nightly dreams, you don't know what the other dream characters are going to do or say, and yet all of it comes from your mind. If it's all you, why don't you know what's going to happen?

I don't know the answer this because I see stuff in life that is beyond my reach to know. What i can see is that there is clearly a universal intelligence of some sort that is way beyond my intelligence. I can see that that universal intelligence is constantly creating, decreating then creating again and that the universe has an organic dance to it.

I can see in myself a compulsion to also seek to create and also be willing to "be out with the old and in with the new"....the process of decreation (e.g., recycling). In that vein i can see I am part of the whole doing my part of the whole's creation and decreation effort.

My nightly dreams are the unfinished business in my mind. The mind is greedy for closure and it it cant get closure in the conscious mind then the unconscious mind will express itself in my dreams. The day I am 150% authentic, never repressing myself for the opinion of another is the day I stop dreaming.

Hardly anybody asks the question 'Who am I?' It's assumed that they are separate peeps in a world of separate persons. The question that is asked is. 'How can I as a separate person, be happy?' The question has no answer as it is misconceived.

It's all the same question...the curiousity is expressed in various ways but the reason behind it is the same.