Changing the past?

[Tempest]

After seeing What the Bleep and reading over a dozen books on Quantum Physics, one question remains in my mind - can we change the past? If reality is only in our conscious minds and time is not time as we perceive it, is this possible?

I'm not looking to change anything in the past, this is more of a curiousity-fueled question. I'd love to hear everyone's opinions.

[Zukin]

Maybe through retrocausality

[Yukio]

Maybe something like ...

The RetroPsychoKinesis Project

[NightOwlNation]

Yes, this stuff is fascinating. The links posted by the others who responded are very relevant to your question.

The praying/conscious intending for the past (hospital patients) experiements are something to look into. And I was just thinking of a film called "Ancient Relic" here in the USA. A foreign film that is dubbed into English (at least the version I saw). Totally worth checking out just for the few minutes there is discussion and demonstration of how setting an intention in the present for the past affects the past. The 'apple experiment' if you happen to rent the film. Somewere between about 90 minutes into the movie and the end.

I have a page on my website dedicated to what Jason Bedunah has to say about this subject. Do check it out if you are interested in hearing more. Pretty incredible. Neville Goddard's teachings also can help here, IMHO (I think Jason B. has studied his material as well). Anyway here is the page:

The Secret To Life Is... |

[OldTex]

Funny how this all works... I was just reading a passage in a book by Ramtha, A Master's Key for Manipulating Time in which Ramtha says that in order to manifest, you need to change the past.

[Lychee]

I don't think you can change the past.

[torilink]

i've tried this a few times with success.

I use my imagination and go back through a past situation/memory/conversation and do it the way I want it to be, or rather wish it had been the first time. I imagine saying things I want to say, changing things I may have done, and just making it exacly as I desire it had happened the first time.

The outcomes that I've experienced are that things change - it isn't necessarily the past that changed, at least not in my memory - but situations and relationships which I was trying to heal through these exercises were in fact healed.

perhaps that was because that was my intent - and that is why things changed??

[ZendEgo]

This is just sad... just because you changed the perception of a memory or the memory itself doesnt mean you physically changed anything, well other then the brains physical response. Maybe this is the context you are putting it in, but it doesnt take a genius to figure if you change your perception on a past event it will change how you feel about it. You can't undo a scientific equation that has occured.

[Lychee]

Originally Posted by torilink

i've tried this a few times with success.

I use my imagination and go back through a past situation/memory/conversation and do it the way I want it to be, or rather wish it had been the first time. I imagine saying things I want to say, changing things I may have done, and just making it exacly as I desire it had happened the first time.

The outcomes that I've experienced are that things change - it isn't necessarily the past that changed, at least not in my memory - but situations and relationships which I was trying to heal through these exercises were in fact healed.

perhaps that was because that was my intent - and that is why things changed??

That does not mean the past changed. What changed was the outcome of the past due to your perception of it because of the efforts you made now. Perception is not reality. Past is fixed and objective.

[torilink]

umm, I think I said that the outcomes changed, although not the actual past - but in the context of what I desired it didn't matter - because the outcome was what I intended with the effect as if the past was actually changed.

so there is still the impression that my intention focused upon the past changed the present situation.

[NightOwlNation]

Originally Posted by torilink

i've tried this a few times with success.

I use my imagination and go back through a past situation/memory/conversation and do it the way I want it to be, or rather wish it had been the first time. I imagine saying things I want to say, changing things I may have done, and just making it exacly as I desire it had happened the first time.

The outcomes that I've experienced are that things change - it isn't necessarily the past that changed, at least not in my memory - but situations and relationships which I was trying to heal through these exercises were in fact healed.

perhaps that was because that was my intent - and that is why things changed??

And this is it. Like religion (or atheism, etc.), what one believes or knows about how reality is created and the true nature/meaning of time is not going to be provable to a non-believer or believer of different laws and rules of nature. The law of attraction reminds us that what we believe or hold as 'reality' we will find evidence for in all kinds of ways. It is real to us. So that argument may be a waste of spirit, for lack of a better term. Also, the life we experience is sort of like the projection of a reflecting glass (us/our individuated consciousness) so if we argue, it is ultimately with ourselves. The big picture view, meaning. So this is an aspect of me, even typing to myself. But helps, nonetheless, for me to know more of who I AM.

But what torilink wrote is the crux of the teaching about healing/updating the present by changing/reordering the past. The frequency and vibration of a new experience is real to the experiencer, no matter how they arrive at their new reality. Sometimes shared by others, sometimes not (or a combination of both), depending on one's belief about (again) the nature and meaning of subjective reality. This stuff is like looking into our own personal mirrors reflecting back other mirrors into infinity. A little crazy-making. But wanted to give a nod to torilink for sharing what I believe to be a very significant mention.

[DoAnyOfYouExist]

If you haven't watched the movie "The Butterfly Effect" go watch it, now. You do NOT want to change the past, snowball everything will. Work on the now, and now, and now, and now and now and now...whew! Good thing I made it out of that loop!

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by DoAnyOfYouExist

If you haven't watched the movie "The Butterfly Effect" go watch it, now. You do NOT want to change the past, snowball everything will. Work on the now, and now, and now, and now and now and now...whew! Good thing I made it out of that loop!

Are you trying to say that we should work on the now...???

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[torilink]

Thanks for the nod NightOwlNation.

Often it is truly difficult for me to adequately transfer experiences of this nature into any type of written form with clarity to express or extend that experience and knowledge to others.

Originally Posted by NightOwlNation

And this is it. Like religion (or atheism, etc.), what one believes or knows about how reality is created and the true nature/meaning of time is not going to be provable to a non-believer or believer of different laws and rules of nature. The law of attraction reminds us that what we believe or hold as 'reality' we will find evidence for in all kinds of ways. It is real to us. So that argument may be a waste of spirit, for lack of a better term. Also, the life we experience is sort of like the projection of a reflecting glass (us/our individuated consciousness) so if we argue, it is ultimately with ourselves. The big picture view, meaning. So this is an aspect of me, even typing to myself. But helps, nonetheless, for me to know more of who I AM.

But what torilink wrote is the crux of the teaching about healing/updating the present by changing/reordering the past. The frequency and vibration of a new experience is real to the experiencer, no matter how they arrive at their new reality. Sometimes shared by others, sometimes not (or a combination of both), depending on one's belief about (again) the nature and meaning of subjective reality. This stuff is like looking into our own personal mirrors reflecting back other mirrors into infinity. A little crazy-making. But wanted to give a nod to torilink for sharing what I believe to be a very significant mention.

[Benny2]

If the past could be change by anyone than how could I work in the present.

Today would a lie and there is no truth. I do not exist. I did not write this response.

If the past can be change, there is no now. If there is no now, how can the past be changed? How can now become the past of tomorrow? How can there be a tomorrow? Nothing counts!

[Crowghost]

The only way I have ever changed the past was to get rid of the animosity between others and me. It is really more like healing past wounds I suppose. I only know that when I really stop hating someone that I have for a long time, all that I have felt for those years at them is changed.
It really has only worked if the change can happen for them too, or if they had no angers at me in the first place.
I guess changing events is a whole other thing.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Benny2

If the past could be change by anyone than how could I work in the present.

Today would a lie and there is no truth. I do not exist. I did not write this response.

If the past can be change, there is no now. If there is no now, how can the past be changed? How can now become the past of tomorrow? How can there be a tomorrow? Nothing counts!

What has ocurred in my experiences is that things change in the NOW.

For instance - I got divorced, moved out of state with my kids and started a new life. I did not want a divorce but felt I had no alternatives at the time (long story) but, my situation was not how I wanted it to be, so I meditated and visualized certain defining moments within my marriage which led to its colapse and just changed them, in my mind, and I visualized it all happening differently - better. I said the things I wished I'd said, did those things I hadn't the first time - and so on.

two days after concluding these exercises, my ex called and said he was quiting his job and coming up to where me and the kids were - if that was ok - well that was 15 months ago and he is still here. I doubt I'd ever marry again, even to him - but things are good, the way I desired they be. The past as I remember it wasn't "Changed" but the NOW was altered.

Now, I'm not going to tell the entire story about the divorce and that situation, but this was not an outcome anyone but I would have desired or predicted for us as a family.

this is just one of the situations I used this technique of healing the past through intent and visualization, but it usually revolves around relationships, and then they just heal, as if the past didn't occur -yet it did.

It is almost like we just step from one possible reality across an unseen line into a different reality.

[Benny2]

Originally Posted by torilink

What has ocurred in my experiences is that things change in the NOW.

For instance - I got divorced, moved out of state with my kids and started a new life. I did not want a divorce but felt I had no alternatives at the time (long story) but, my situation was not how I wanted it to be, so I meditated and visualized certain defining moments within my marriage which led to its colapse and just changed them, in my mind, and I visualized it all happening differently - better. I said the things I wished I'd said, did those things I hadn't the first time - and so on.

two days after concluding these exercises, my ex called and said he was quiting his job and coming up to where me and the kids were - if that was ok - well that was 15 months ago and he is still here. I doubt I'd ever marry again, even to him - but things are good, the way I desired they be. The past as I remember it wasn't "Changed" but the NOW was altered.

Now, I'm not going to tell the entire story about the divorce and that situation, but this was not an outcome anyone but I would have desired or predicted for us as a family.

this is just one of the situations I used this technique of healing the past through intent and visualization, but it usually revolves around relationships, and then they just heal, as if the past didn't occur -yet it did.

It is almost like we just step from one possible reality across an unseen line into a different reality.

Thank you much for sharing.

I agree with you. The Now is all we have to work with.

The past is just a point of reference and should (not that we could) never be change only amended in the NOW as you methodically and courageously did.

I wish you continued happiness.

Peace

Benny2

PS You did a very brave and right things and for what it worth I command you.

My best wishes.

[Benny2]

I hear you.

I hated those who have harmed me in the past.

I was in denial of it.

Eventually I realized that I had deal with the hate by forgiving.

It was not easy and I am still working on it every day.

[ming]

from "the way of the wizard" by deepak Chopra
...you mortals are in the habit of believing that the past creates the present and the present the future. This is an arbitrary point of view...when you learn that time is being invented in your own consciousness, you will see there is no past, only the ethernal now, ever renewing itself. This moment is the pivot for any possible future you can envision. So Change the past completely by seeing it as unreal, a phantom of the mind....

there is a movie called "eternal sunshine of the spotless mind" where a couple meet in a train to discover they have had a painful relationship in the past and they went to a professional co. to have their memories removed.

Hypnotherapy can help to remove selective memories, if you remove your memories, you've changed your past and your future will not be affected by it. That what I understand by erasing the past.

[torilink]

yes, this is exactly why I began doing what I did - you cannot view the past as illusory if you have emotional baggage.

It is like in the bible when lot's wife turned into a pillar of salt, because she couldn't turn away from the past.

I view it as a gentle forgiving of the past (my actions and everyone elses') and then releasing it and letting go. To live in the now requires this release, and it frees us to create a spotless future. But - it is a difficult process sometimes to let it all go - and recognize that it is just an illusion.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Tempest

After seeing What the Bleep and reading over a dozen books on Quantum Physics, one question remains in my mind - can we change the past? If reality is only in our conscious minds and time is not time as we perceive it, is this possible?

I'm not looking to change anything in the past, this is more of a curiousity-fueled question. I'd love to hear everyone's opinions.

Every interval, at all times during the day, you are choosing any 'universe' you want to go in.

Now. If you don't know this, you'll keep goint down the path you are going.........namely thinking there is only one 'universe', one 'future' available.

[infinitethoughts]

And yes, if you are aware of all these 'futures' available, you change your 'past'.