Others lowering your LOC when around you

[DoAnyOfYouExist]

I have seen a few posts talking about others lowering or raising your LOC when in your POV. To preface this, I love my sister to the core and because of that it makes it all the more difficult. I live with my sister, her boyfriend(my best friend), her best friend, and a couple other guys who have become friends of all of ours.

So I was laying on the couch reading Journeys Out of the Body when my sister came into the living room. I stopped ready after the tension building in my chest was begining to bother me(I think the book was the catalyst for this). I started the meditation a member recently posted in a thread where you inhale slowly think "I am calm" and exhale slowly and think "and very very still" (thanks for that btw, don't remember the individual's name). So the tension is subsiding slightly but only because my attention is on my breathing.

My sister starts telling me how her boyfriend wants to grow his hair as long as mine and how she told him it wouldn't look good etc and he seemed kinda hurt. She wanted to hear what I thought. I have noticed a pattern...I NEVER on serious issues ever tell my sister what she wants to hear and she always seems to become irritated with me and upset. I consider relationship questions to be quite serious.

I bring this up to my sister and explain to her that I am going to choose silence on this matter based on the factor I just explained. She says she wants to know how I feel and I oblige. I tell her that, I would support this person as my friend in whatever he wanted to do and I would not try to hinder his dreams or desires(no matter if ego based, this I thought to myself, ego discussion is not for my sister). I told her that things like this do not affect me one way or another. I said that as his lover and friend she should support him, no matter how silly(as long as it harms no one), and he should do the same. She understood this but continued to state the reasons why she thought long hair would not work for him. I let the conversation die here as she has personal taste brought into the equation and there is really not much I can do about that.

To the part I have a question on. I had been doing that breathing exercise for atleast 10-15 minutes before she broke my concentration(I should say that I should be meditating in silence and seclusion, not in the living room. Therefor the intrusion did not bother me much, this is the living room for living and discussion, much understood) When she did that a voice in the head "You see there, how she brought you down, grounded you back here." I thought back, "Yes, I am very attached to her, she means a great deal to me and I would halt any task if she needed me." The reply came "You may need to leave this place to get where you want to be." During this I felt electric buzzing sensational energy flowing here and there through my body and I could move it or anticipate its movements. It was interesting and I wonder if that was me saying those things or my higherself.

On to my question about LOC being lowered by those around you. My sister as far as her LOC is concered is where I was a year or two ago. At this time it would have been hard to talk to me about the things I want to talk to my sister about to help raise her LOC and her happiness in life as I see her suffering and all self induced. I cannot talk to her about serious concepts though and we get nowhere. I guess I must accept that she is not ready and she will get there when she gets there, but am I not destined to facilitate said growth, is it not part of my purpose? I am on a path to save myself but all must be made safe as well. When me and my sister talk I don't feel as capable as I do alone, my thoughts don't feel as clear, overall my LOC feels lowered. I also feel myself getting involved in ego games with her bestfriend who I have a slight crush on. She brings out a certain part of me, not neccessarily bad but sorta clownish, showoffish(EGO, thats what girls like right?). Any of this making any sense and can anyone elaborate on LOC lowering/raising via contact with people?

One thing I feel out of this is that maybe I need to leave this town this place and go find myself. I know in truth that this is not neccessary BUT it would make it "easier" Siddharta on his path to enlightenment left his wife and 1 day old son only to return 12 years later to a wife who would have supported him. Her only question was "Could you not have found what you have obviously obtained as I can clearly see a change in you myself, here in the palace?" He said that he indeed could have but at the time he did not know that. Enlightenment can be attained anywhere. So I needn't leave my friends and family behind in order to go find myself. I have deduced through this that, that was not my higherself talking to me.

All thoughts welcomed, sorry this was so long, now that I look at it, it seems this was an act for me more than anything, tension gone.

[MindReality]

Your state of consciousness is affected by the people around you.

When you come into contact with other people, it will either result in conscious resonance or disonance, the degree which is determined by how much their consciousness differs from you.

We are always not able to be entirely who we are in a group because the collective mental atmosphere affects our own. We feel totally different and have different levels of freedom in expressing ourselves in different groups.

Anyway it is not just frequency of vibration that determines the effect of consciousness but also the amplitude of vibration. People of lower vibration with stronger amplitude will override those of higher vibration and weaker amplitude. If you want to maintain high vibration in the presence of others, you have got to have strong amplitude as well.

If you want to share something of higher consciousness with certain people but you feel you LOC lowered when trying to do so, perhaps it is becaue they are not ready, and the universal self is signaling that to you. Therefore you don't have to force things before the they are ready to happen. You can communicate whatever they are ready to hear at the moment while you continue loving them unconditionally.

It's important to get away from others from time to time and spend sometime with ourselves in order to allow our own state of consciousness to revert to its true level, and be free for further expansion. Time on our own is important to preserve the integrity of our own consciousness. It's very difficult to do so in the presence of others. Sometimes when being with others for too long, you seem to lose yourself. It's also important to relate with those whose LOC equal ours or can raise us to higher levels.

Jesus took time frequently to get away from the crowd he was preaching to and spend some time alone with God.

[DoAnyOfYouExist]

Wow MR there you go again making me like you and see the truth in your words. Your responses when directed right at me never carry quoted scripture and I appreciate that. It is like you know there are many ways to get the same point accross and you see the way to get it accross to me and you do it with grace. Thank you for that post it makes me feel alot better. Bringing Jesus up as an example, in the way that you did caused no problems inside me, as I believe in Jesus and the amazing man/buddha/son of God that he was. Once again thank you MR. I have no problem with Jesus, just the religion that has manipulated his essense.

[DoAnyOfYouExist]

Btw, what do you mean by amplitude in the context you used it in, and how do you strengthen it?

[ethereal]

Wow, this is something I can relate to. Same relationship, but with my parents.

Try taking a temporary break and see how you like it. It doesn't have to be permanent or 12 years like Buddha.

If necessary, it's possible to be with lower LOC people if you keep them on their positive side. But once they drop into a low vibration, either find a way to change the subject and raise it back up, or just tune it out and go away. It's not your obligation to help her at this point; in fact, it's your responsibility to yourself, to her, and to the world to keep your LOC and vibration high. People in negative states are choosing to be that way (either with free will or with karma), so no point butting heads against it.

Through awareness its possible to keep LOC high even among tons of low LOC people, but it's hard. Mother Theresa (LOC 710) was able to do it, in the streets of Calcutta at Apathy and Grief, but it takes quite a lot.

Best of luck to you, keep us updated on your journey

[MindReality]

Originally Posted by DoAnyOfYouExist

Btw, what do you mean by amplitude in the context you used it in, and how do you strengthen it?

Amplitude of vibration means the strength of your emotional state and the power of your thoughts.

People with low amplitude and high frequency are like feeling joy, peace but not very much. Maybe a little joy and peace, but when someone comes along feeling immense discontentment and fear, the higher amplitude and low frequency drags the joy and peace of the person down.

It's like whoever's emotion and thoughts are stronger and more stable, would be the one to affect the emotions and thoughts of others. Think of it as a louder noise drowning a softer sound within itself.

Of course high frequency vibrations are always more powerful than low frequency vibrations of the same amplitude.

You have to watch the amplitude of vibration of others and see if it is strong and negative for you to find it worth expending energy to counter. Seek to overide that which you can overide, otherwise don't expend uneccesary effort.

Like the Tao says, "less and less do you need to do until when nothing is done, nothing is left undone."

Meaning, whatever you do, do it because you are guided and energetically aligned to do, and not because you are trying to force things to happen.

The energy to do anything flows naturally when you are in harmony with your heart.

[Lychee]

Generally speaking, I've observed that people who are at a higher frequency stay amongst their own group or alone with themselves. Has anyone else seen this as well?

[ethereal]

Yeah, I have Lychee (btw I love lychees, probably tied for 1st along with watermelon )

It's a natural consequence of "like attracts like", but applied to levels of consciousness. That explains why people with high LOC on earth pulls everybody else up through "forced" attraction to their LOC. And also why people naturally gravitate to their own LOC friends and group, and why some friends drop out of your life and new ones come in (your LOC changes). So there's nothing personal about it, it's like a natural consequence that unfolds, like the law of gravity.

[Simmiah]

I also echo that I've had this same problem too. I have a good friend who I believe has had her LOC lowered due to persisting in staying in contact with a father who has a tendency to be angry/unloving & she currently is in the process of leaving a controlling boyfriend. I was remarking to myself the other day how she was so much more fun when it was just her alone with the rest of our group at the university. However once her boyfriend arrived she changed a lot & became very secluded.

& interestingly enough during this time I've had my LOC raised through study & I feel less & less inclined to call her. I would like to preserve some kind of friendship but I'm not sure how to or if it is in both of our best interests to force something that isn't natural anymore.

According to Hawkins, (am I wrong about this?) I believe he stated you are unaffected by negativity once you are at 540...so theoretically, even if a hateful person were to jump at you & try to make you afraid.. they would fail because your own consciousness would stay put. There was a question on the radio program regarding this & he said either way you can raise other's LOC or you can be lowered.. it all depends. In my personal viewpoint though you cannot change others if they are not ready to do so.

For me personally I've felt really withdrawn from people I used to know.. & I've changed a lot in the past few years so I've come to stop talking to even my own sister who is struggling with an astral entity & some problems of her own. I tried to intercede & help as I saw it was a very serious situation but she rebuffed & was angry with me so I believe I made the wrong choice.

I've felt when I'm more connected to God I do tend to have a positive impact on others but it does not stay consistent. Others will still do what they are inclined to do (be angry, judgmental, fearful, in lust) though much less when I am around than when I'm not around. I've also noticed people to note that I am not like them & it is mutual.

Right now I am currently spending most of my time alone which I find tremendously helpful. I actually look forward to it everyday. I've also been pondering this 'problem' also as it seems my spiritual growth is boosted tremendously from avoiding others who are angry or desirous in intention... yet at the same time in the town I'm in right now.. I have to be around others for school or work who are below 200 at times.

[Lychee]

Ethereal- I was thinking the same thing about how "birds of a feather flock together." People of like consciousness will congregate. However, there are people in this world who continue to live solitary lives or who make friends with few people. A person's consciousness could not be so isolated that it would prevent them from integrating in society or integrating with a group of people, could it? Or perhaps their mentality is so unique that people have difficulty relating to them. Many prominent thinkers and influential people in history have been very introverted and solitary. Maybe it has become increasingly difficult for these people to relate to others since as time has passed the collective consciousness of the people has decreased.

Simmiah- I've also found that being very selective about the people I choose to be around has helped me put things in perspective. I like to decrease the amount of time that I spend with others who tend to be judgmental, crude, depressed, etc. This is the advice that I follow:

Associate yourself with men of good quality...for 'tis better to be alone than in bad company.
George Washington

[Andrew Brunelle]

Yes, I believe we all experience this at one time or another. We are thinking about something very high level, spiritual in nature, and someone comes by and asks you to pick up you clothes or whatever. It completely throws you off track and brings you down a few notches. The key here is to maintain that level of awareness in all situations, no matter what the external stimuli seem to be trying to force on you. I do not think it is resistance, but more of a universal calm that is present at all times.

[Simmiah]

Originally Posted by Andrew Brunelle

Yes, I believe we all experience this at one time or another. We are thinking about something very high level, spiritual in nature, and someone comes by and asks you to pick up you clothes or whatever. It completely throws you off track and brings you down a few notches. The key here is to maintain that level of awareness in all situations, no matter what the external stimuli seem to be trying to force on you. I do not think it is resistance, but more of a universal calm that is present at all times.

I definitely agree. Tolle writes about this yet, I still find myself losing track when I drive my car & someone pulls out suddenly in front of me. Andrew or anyone else, do you know good ways of maintaining that stillness? Is it a matter of just practice makes perfect?

[TheColonel]

Originally Posted by Simmiah

I definitely agree. Tolle writes about this yet, I still find myself losing track when I drive my car & someone pulls out suddenly in front of me. Andrew or anyone else, do you know good ways of maintaining that stillness? Is it a matter of just practice makes perfect?

I spent many years as an angry aggressive person. Traffic incidents were my specialty.

Now, when someone pulls in front of me or cuts me off, I consciously thank the person out loud. Then I imagine a potential accident just up the road, and this person prevented me from being mangled in that potential car wreck - just by darting in front of me.

[autumn]

Just thought I would jump in here really quick. As far as these last few comments.

I never really had much aggression while driving, But I would get pretty thoroughly annoyed by tail gating. I always drive a little (if not a lot) over the speed limit anyway, BUT I did start to to take GREAT delight in pulling over as smoothly & efficiently as possible & waving/letting people by (when it was safe) that were on my tail! That was sooo much fun (when I had a car), just understanding that maybe they were feeling stressed to get somewhere & that I could at least get out of their way & make their life a little easier (hopefully).

[DoAnyOfYouExist]

Originally Posted by autumn

Just thought I would jump in here really quick. As far as these last few comments.

I never really had much aggression while driving, But I would get pretty thoroughly annoyed by tail gating. I always drive a little (if not a lot) over the speed limit anyway, BUT I did start to to take GREAT delight in pulling over as smoothly & efficiently as possible & waving/letting people by (when it was safe) that were on my tail! That was sooo much fun (when I had a car), just understanding that maybe they were feeling stressed to get somewhere & that I could at least get out of their way & make their life a little easier (hopefully).

Hehe this bothers me as well. I do not like being tail gated. It has something to do with not liking people BEHIND me. People looking over my shoulder when on the computer or reading or whatever. If someone is behind me it really bothers me, I get immediately paranoid...maybe a trust issue? I do the same thing though, just wait till I can and get out of their way. I am in a rush sometimes and I realize they just may be in a rush and it doesn't bother me to move. What bothers me is when they are tail gating me but there is an open lane that they could use to pass me, this just makes me go "?!?!!?!?!? what is wrong with this person?" I can't put myself in their shoes because I have never driven like that. I deliver car parts for a living so I deal with traffic and people who don't signal etc daily, but it doesn't get to me anymore.