Are You Seeking the Light or Just Dancing With the Dark?
Months ago, someone posted a link to this book and I've read it all the way through once and parts several times.
Are You Seeking the Light or Just Dancing with the Dark? A Guide to Spiritual Discernment by Peter Newton...
I find it so intriguing. I must say that prior to reading this and being on this discussion board for several months, I have thought little about this sort of stuff.
But this book was so fascinating to me.
If any of you have read it, please share with me what parts resonated with you, what you agreed with or disagreed with.
To start with I want to post a section of Chapter 10:Evil Exists Only in the Minds of Men?
If evil exists only in the minds of men, and we as a people on Earth are gullible enough to believe this lie then we are setting ourselves up for all manner of mayhem.
The most common place you will find this lie is in channeled books. Walk into any metaphysical/New Age book store and you will find dozens of channeled works that contain this lie somewhere, usually towards the end of the book. You will also find this lie in channeled books that can be found in nationwide chain stores. I'm not saying that every channeled book contains this lie, but a very high percentage do. In this chapter I will tell you how the Dark manage to get this and many other pieces of misinformation into print. Later, I will show the scenarios and effects of what happens when they are successful.
The Dark get this lie into books because well-intentioned, spiritually seeking people are often misled into believing they are channeling a spirit guide or angel serving the Light when they are not! There is only one God. The forces of Light sent us Christ and other masters to show us a system based upon love and service to others. The Dark, which The Law of One tells us exist as intelligent beings, alive and dedicated to conquest and enslavement, advocate a system that is service to self. Both of these groups of intelligent beings are from that one God, or from the Light.
The Dark often come to people when they are meditating, offering to guide them, and then tell these people that they are from the light. When the Dark makes this statement that they are from the Light, they are technically correct! Since the Light is considered to be God, then they are from God. The big problem with this is that they don't serve the Light or God! The Dark are always in service to the self and their goals are always conquest and enslavement. Remember, God, which is pure love and light, allows total free will, and that means that God doesn't begin to stop the Dark from being the Dark. This play on words about being "from the light" is one of their most common and successful tricks.
If you read a book or any other material that is channeled, and in this book it tells you that in order to connect to your guide you should do specific things, be very cautious. Some examples of specific things would be to ask for a certain specific named entity and sometimes at a specific time or place. To begin with, many channeled books don't mention anywhere in the book that they are channeled. I have seen them published under all kinds of names, including Native American sounding names. The Light will never advocate that you seek a guide or guides. When the written material directs you to meditate at a certain time or day, or tells you to ask for the name of a certain entity or guide, you are about to dance with the Dark if you follow the advice. Remember, the Dark must get your permission, regardless of how slight that permission might be, in order to come to you. The law of free will doesn't allow any member of the Confederation (service to other beings of positive polarity such as Christ) to tell you in printed material to ask for them.
If you wish to channel, or channeling comes easy to you, you would have to seek or strongly desire to have a positive, service-to-others entity make contact with you. This also holds true for the process called auto-writing where people's pens start to seemingly move on their own. If you did make contact with a positive entity, the entity would never give you any answers to anything that you would ask that could possibly violate your free will. In other words, a positive entity is not going to guide you by talking to you on a daily basis. Your lessons and Karma are for you to learn and figure out for yourself, and by going within and listening to your higher self you will be guided in this manner instead. When I talked about buying items in stores where the totals added up to $22.22 and $11.11, this was an example of the kind of guidance that Spirit allows that doesn't violate our free will.
Dark entities are by far the easiest to channel and will commonly violate your free will by giving very specific information about yourself or your friends or virtually anything else you seek.
Another thing that throws people off into believing that they have made contact with a positive entity is that the Dark negative entity can send to the channeler the same warm-fuzzy love energy as the positive entity can. Energy, according to Ra, is available for both positive and negative entities to utilize. Not only love energy, but healing energy.
One of the ways the Dark are able to trick people into thinking that they are dealing with an entity of the Light is that the Dark will often teach the very same identical lessons about love, life, relationships, etc. as entities from the Light. This is exactly what was happening when I was dancing with the entity FORM that I used to go to. FORM could and did talk for hours about love and loving. It had me fooled for several years. I have found that the Dark will gladly send out as much as 99 percent service-to-others, positive polarity lessons of truth about things such as love, just to get a few of their lies into a book or to someone channeling them. The Dark know that the channeler, and people who will read the channeled material, will resonate with that 99 percent truth. They use the 99 percent truth to slip in their lies like a smoke screen so that they go unnoticed, their main lie always being that evil doesn't exist, except in the minds of men.
So what do you think of this??
This is exactly what I mentioned about the greatest created light being who had fallen - Lucifer/Satan.
The Devilís only real weapon is the weapon of Deceit. By deceiving good as evil and evil as good, he weakens his enemies minds towards opposing him. You are never too far away from error. Itís only a few degrees away from the truth. You are never too far away from the truth either. It is only a few degrees back.
Rat poison is 99 percent wheat and 1 percent poison. He that has ears to hear let him hear. The occult is in every area of human science, arts, religion, philosophy and business. There is no escape from it. Truth is mixed with error in every place. It is only stupidity to shun truth just because there is error. This is one of the main causes of ignorance. We are called to be a light in the darkness, for what good is there with light among light?
Only the truly wise see through such things and know how to discern without the perceptive filters imposed by other lesser minds. The opposite is true, those that see through will become wise. The Devil loses when we know the Truth. Clarity is victory, obscurity is defeat.
The Devil plays the game of mixing truth and error knowing that one out of four situations can happen. Three which are in his favor and only one in yours. Because it is the nature of the subconscious mind to make associations, he knows that the first two situations that could occur would be:
1. You would think that they are both true.
2. You would think that they are both false.
To exercise discernment which is an aspect of the conscious mind, is to differentiated between whatís real and whatís not. The next two situations that could occur would be:
3. You would believe the lie as the truth and the truth as the lie.
4. You would discern what is truly true and what is truly false.
The final option is the one where the Devil is outgamed. To be able to discern correctly requires true wisdom.
True Theory of Everything in the Universe
Satan's main lie has always been that there is no Satan, there is only God. In all other religious teachings such as buddhism, taoism, hindhuism, gnosticsm... etc... there is ONLY GOD, no SATAN. Where did Satan go? Well, he simply did a disappearing act like the master magician he is. Satan has become God in all his other religious teachings.
Satan means Adversary. He is the adversary of the TRUE GOD of Christianity. The Bible is the ONLY place that mentions Satan, the Devil. Satan opposes Christianity so much, especially in the work of Theosophy, because he is the adversary of THE LORD (YAWEH/JEHOVAH).
Remember, Satan is greatest LIGHT BEING in heaven. His light shines so brightly that anyone who looks at him would THINK HE IS GOD. That is how Brilliant THE LORD created his First Angel to be.
But LUCIFER/SATAN/HELEL thought that he could be like the LORD in glory and majesty. He has convinced one third of heavens Angels to believe that they are of equal glory and majesty with THE LORD. Now he is working to convince MAN of the same thing.
Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. (Satan/Helel/Lucifer)
Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. (Yaweh/Jehovah/THE LORD)
I would reccomend anyone who is willing to channel or thinking about it to read and hopefully consider this information.
Weird that you post this, been having a ton of syncs leading to this topic. Good timing with the controversy with polarity, too, which I have a ton of problems with.
The pseudo-spiritually glamorous is seductive -- that's the main reason Dr. Hawkins has been so focused on applied kinesiology and calibrations as the only way to objectifiably verifiable truth, direct from Universal Consciousness without distortion. Spiritual seduction is the art of the lower astral realms, one that they are masters of, for millenia. Spiritual seekers and up-and-coming lightworkers are the "juiciest" targets for the lower astral entities, as they rise up their hierarchies the more spiritual human beings they can divert off the path to God.
All the great teachers didn't say that the lower astrals and hells don't exist and have no reality, they say "Don't go there." You're not equipped to go there, not capable of handling lower astral entities. It takes an enormous amount of spiritual discernment to be able to tell. Temptations abound, all along the way.
The Luciferic temptation is to usurp the Power of God, but refuse the Love of God, because the Love of God places limitations on the use of power. You can't kill and control others, with love. To place power above love, to take and use power for its own sake, is to succumb to this temptation and risk going down LOC into the lower astral realms.
The downside of spirituality is naivete, and to counter this is to have humility, to know that we do not know. When we have this humility we are open to Truth from higher sources. But when we assume we know it all, then deceit and falsehood will be able to make inroads into our consciousness.
The best way to rapidly progress spiritually and raise your own LOC as well as mankind's LOC, is to pursue a calibratably-integrous valid pathway to enlightenment. All the needed calibrations are in Dr. Hawkins' "Truth vs. Falsehood." An online list of some of them can be found here:
SpiritualWiki - ListTrueTeachers
Avoid the New Age astral circus, they are all diversions. Psychics, channelling, oujia boards, siddhis (psychic powers), witchcraft and magic, foretelling the future, etc. -- they do exist, they are real, they do work, and they are curiously interesting indeed, but... "Don't go there." Human physicality is a grand karmic opportunity to undo our previous mistakes and make rapid spiritual progress, for us as individuals and as collective mankind --there is no time to waste on astral diversions.
"Straight and narrow is the path...waste no time."
I agree 200% about Dark spirits disguising themselves as Good spirits. MindReality is right that the devil works by mixing truth in with falsehood. Outright lies will never really accepted by people unless it was mixed in with truth.
Regardless, I am very wary of people who claim to channel beings. I am also weary of Abraham-Hicks. Although some of what she is saying may be correct, some things in it I am sure are false.
Ethereal is also correct that naivete is the main problem when it comes to this sort of thing. When people find a teaching which they believe is correct, they leave reason and discrimination outside and completely accept what the other person is saying. But is humility the only answer? Is there anything else that we can do? If the foundation of our thinking and beliefs are incorrect, then whatever stems from that tree will also be diseased. How else can we keep the roots of our souls pure?
I agree with the list you have provided of people/arts which should be avoided. Just because it is possible doesn't mean that it is territory that must be ventured into. By the way on the list in the link you provided, why are some teachers listed as "fallen"?
Actually, I'd like to add that this scares me to my core. I'm very scared about this, and rereading this post has renewed my fears. These Dark beings never stop. I don't understand why they would want to create discord and go against God and bring us down with it. Self-delusion! We think that we are correct when we are really not! That is one of the worst things in the world. I wish there were an icon for "shaking in my boots."
I just realized I wrote the previous post at 11:11 my time. haha funny..
Luke 10:18-19 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
In Christ we are above all principalities and powers and that includes Satan.
Some of these teachers have "fallen" because they weren't sufficiently prepared and succumbed to temptation. Followers and worshippers, money, fame, control over others -- it's pretty easy to start thinking that it's "you" who they are worshipping and who's doing everything! But out of humility we recognize that they are worshipping God, as manifested in you, and that it is a responsibility to help others.
And out of humility, we place our faith in the teachings of those who have gone before us on the path, instead of in our own "mind" that supposedly "knows it all." The great avatars, Christ, Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, etc., and the great sages all through the ages. More recently, Dr. Hawkins' work. And the great gift of discernment that has been given to mankind, applied kinesiology :)
There are many valid pathways to Truth that have been verified over and over, there is no need to seek the spiritually glamorous. The Truth has always been plain and simple. But out of curiosity and naivete... :(
The key is to not fight or fear the Dark, but to pursue the Light. To constantly "guard" against the Dark, is already to be preoccupied with it and waste time, as well as being at a low vibration and more prone to attacks. Don't fight evil, avoid it, as Jesus said. Just choose to follow a spiritual valid pathway, and avoid the curiosities of the astral realms (and there are many out there). They are entertaining, but we can't afford to go there.
With a pure intention, the inner Self will guide you to the right teacher and teachings. So no need to fear.
I personally have looked through many different teachers and teachings, I can recommend some to you on PM if you wish, as I've verified their truths in my own life experientially.
"Straight and narrow is the path, waste no time."
I second much said on this thread. & yes I also caution too as I did myself venture into dabbling with astral stuff. Unfortunately my logic at the time was, if some if it is correct especially a majority of the information, then maybe all of it is correct. That is just not the case with much of the astral stuff as they deliberately mix truth with falsehood. One encounter almost shook completely my idea that anything beyond this world existed... & I was confused & in agony for about a period of maybe 2 months. Luckily, whatever guardians or whatnot I had arranged that I had my only "lucid" dream ever where they were very clear with me about where to proceed & to not succumb to losing complete faith in everything.
So when you cite this article.. & everyone posts their warnings I can say as a person who almost completely fell off the path due to this that yes it is a very real danger. I was very spiritual as a child & that one horrible incident shook me to the core. :( Anyways! That's the past but eep.. it is very interesting to see how many books at the bookstore are not spiritual but rather more like a curiosity.
I will also mention my encounters with this "astral" stuff was at an all-time high when I was dabbling in it. Since then I have packed up my tarot cards & such. I still am curious but I am definitely wary of any channelings or such. & I am starting to learn how to use kinesiology now to verify certain things.
& I will also post as a personal experience that when I had my first more spiritual experience I didn't know how to contextualize it & incorrectly concluded that it was "me" that had become better & more enlightened & that made me vulnerable to spiritual pride. Hah. I am very glad now that I've learned since. Anyways I thought I'd share from a more personal perspective to verify what is being written here.
MindReality- Thanks for your concern, though I am not Christain :)
Ethereal- Yes, it's all due to God. I think that it's easy for many people after following the subjective reality model to start to see themselves as being self-sufficient when really, whatever good we do and whatever evil we do is only by the will of God. I think that I've personally been viewing things in the terms of laws because I was looking for structure in the universe. For example: I thought that if a person, regardless of whether or not they were "good", did well in business that they did it well because they performed the law correctly (made wise business decisions, hired the right employees, chose a good market to sell goods). It made sense to me that way since I wondered why a "good" person and "bad" person would get the same results. It's all because they are using the law correctly. However, we must look behind the law.
I must admit that I was curious and "dabbled" in these out-there experiences. My logic behind doing so was that if my intentions were good, then it would be ok.
Kinesiology doesn't really have much credence in the community yet and I am suspicious of the veracity of the testing. What if what our body believes is right is really wrong? Who is to say that that cannot be possible?
I guess we can all agree that humility is one way to keep these things at bay. Gaining knowledge is of course another way to protect yourself.
Applied Kinesiology, when done correctly (phrased in the right context and no positionality/biases), produces 100% repeatably verifiable results in double-blind test studies. It's not a local phenomenon (i.e. the body responding to the stimuli), it's a universal phenomenon -- the answer is coming out of Universal Consciousness itself, as expressed through the body's acupuncture system. However, due to ego distortions, incorrect technique, or chi imbalances in the body, it may not be as accurate when doing it by yourself, or with others.
See if you can get Dr. Hawkins' "Power vs. Force", it explains a lot of this in the book. "Truth vs. Falsehood" contains many of these calibrations done by Dr. Hawkins himself and verified by others, which pretty much makes it 100% correct (20 years of exp. using kinesiology, and no ego to distort anything :p).
Hehe, found some quotes by Dr. Hawkins regarding the astral realms:
"It’s arrogance that makes you think you can play with the astral domains and not get singed. “The ancient mysteries of Woopah are yours” - you’ve just become glamorized. You just got hooked. You get mystified, impressed and glamorized. It is by your curiosity that they got you. If you can do it without getting entranced, okay, but you’re there, so you’re already entranced. It is the inner child that is still mystified by magic that is attracted to the astral.
Hesitation (in spiritual matters) sets you up as a mark to the astrals. They have been around for eons; they were already old at the time of Mesopotamia, which was their high point.
Being psychic is nothing at all; there’s a whole range of consciousness that’s all psychic, in the mid 500s, the so-called siddhis. I used to do them in front of witnesses. You have no idea how expert evil is at what it does. You’re already entranced because you went to a reading - if you’re already going, you’re already hooked by the glamour. You go to a psychic and she tells you, Your uncle got killed in a motorcycle accident, and you go, Wow.
By knowing the basic truths, you don’t have to go there. You sacrifice the kick of the experience. If you’re spiritually aligned, you can’t afford it. There’s disrespect for Divinity; you have so little respect for yourself that you go for a transitory solar plexus kick. Be thankful for your destiny to become enlightened.
If you “own” the siddhis as a personal power, you become a psychic clairvoyant and get caught in the glamour. People experience them routinely in the high 500s, and even lower in situations such as silent retreats. These are normal and not unique. It’s not the person that is the field."
Interestingly...I had an experience over the weekend that went right along with this.
I have a client who is just very caught up in psychics. She's been to one several times. They psychic told her that she should stop doing her current job and go back into her old job. This was very distressing to her, but she pursued it anyways...calling her old boss up and asking for a "job" (she was currently self-employed and feeling very empowered by it)
Next, she told her best friend about it. This very same psychic told her friend that she would leave her husband and marry someone else. This friend had a mild crush on a business associate and so she asked if it was him and was told YES.
Ok....THIS BUGS ME!!!!!!!!!
I really really strongly believe in what I originally posted. I believe so strongly in Free Will or whatever you want to call it that this doesn't seem right. I just don't think Light spirits come and meddle in your life.
Has anyone had an experience with a psychic telling you what to do and having it be the best thing for your life???
I just know several messed up people who can't make their own decisions so they turn it over to (what I believe is) Dark Spirits.
(I'm going to post some more of this book that intruiges me in a day or so.
I have more I want to discuss. Thanks for responding to this thread. I enjoyed all the comments)
I do some K-testing on my own, and here are my calibrations:
psychic getting information from an astral entity: true
entity on the other side of this psychic: 140
psychic him/herself: 330
entity is not interested in the Highest Good of the clients: true
psychic knows about the intentions of this entity: false
psychic has good intentions in mind: true
lol, talk about spiritual naivete... :(
the client you know and her best friend should not follow the psychic's advice: true
As for how to approach your client with this news...I'm getting unclear answers. It seems like just telling her about it may not be enough to persuade her, she may not believe it. Might be something karmic.
Your intuition is right about Light spirits not meddling. They can only guide you, and they often tell you the reasons behind it. They never try to force you one way or another. Look at Erin's psychic readings, those are how they're supposed to be done.
Hope this information helps.
The answers aren't coming from the body (or the mind), it's coming from Universal Consciousness as expressed through our body. It's actually a non-local phenomenon -- the body is just an instrument. It is actually consciousness responding.
The answer may be influenced by the mind/body or the environment, i.e. distorted, but when done correctly it is 100% accurate. This has been shown in many studies where testers believe the opposite of what is true, but the correct answer still comes through.
shaking in my boots?...ah close enough...
dancing with the darkness..
second tics away..
step slide step and glide away from light...
no i can`t dance at all.
although i love to play with darkness, i have had my share of demon issues, they don`t bother me much because i either destroy em when they cross my path, or eat them and assimilate their power.
or keep them in stasis for when i need a demon for a technique, it`s not active anymore then anyway so.
but really wasn`t kidding i eat them.
taste like nothing...
anyway, demons are there but they are moving on great scale for a while now.
just visualize perfect light and your safe as far as your will takes you.
so i will state this clearly.
I am as good, as I am evil
light cannot be without darkness, darkness cannot be without light.
people have their bad sides too, it`s not allways demons.
a lot of times it is just the energy user that is not feeling well and relaxed.
sometimes they are manifestations of our own problems.
simple thing is if it`s there then don`t try to elliminate it all since that won`t work anyway, protect yourself instead.
be sure you can take em on when they are there, or that you can shield yourself with the help of whatever you pray to or whatever you like in starsigns or pagan or wiccan entities of help, learn to protect yourself once you are aware of the existance of bad things.
Random, rubber ducky, semi-offtopic post:
Fairly interesting discussion. I have nothing of value to contribute, but I will note that the thread title reminds me of an amusing quote:
"You ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight?"
~ The Joker (Jack Nicholson) from the movie, Batman (the 1989 version).
Edit: I will also add this:
But this is all largely up to individual interpretation, and I feel your quote and what is said in Ask and It Is Given may actually mean the same thing. Either way, I thought I'd share the "food for thought" for you to munch on. ;)
Everything is God and Love, including the Source-disconnected lower astral entities trying to take you out of the game. And we unconditionally love them back, but say "no thanks, buddy" :D
Dr. Hawkins: "You can love and forgive the robber and see his ignorance and innocence, and not lend him your silverware." :)
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