If this is hell...

[DaveTyler]

Ive wondered and pondered A LOT on reality, meaning of life, god/satan, conciousness etc. lately and what Ive seen most spiritual teachers say is really that this is hell.
Cause like buddhism, to get out you have to become "one", then you dissapear.
So the only purpose of life is to become one? a buddha?
Cause you'll be reincarnated forever until you achieve this?
So we're all really living in hell and the only way out is to become one?
Or, hopefully, have I got it wrong?

[Anima]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Ive wondered and pondered A LOT on reality, meaning of life, god/satan, conciousness etc. lately and what Ive seen most spiritual teachers say is really that this is hell.
Cause like buddhism, to get out you have to become "one", then you dissapear.
So the only purpose of life is to become one? a buddha?
Cause you'll be reincarnated forever until you achieve this?
So we're all really living in hell and the only way out is to become one?
Or, hopefully, have I got it wrong?

We can create a heaven on earth for ourselves, as well. We can create and live out our dreams. I've personally created a pretty serious hell for myself. I've lived with numerous very severe mental illnesses, on top of addictions and other disorders, self-mutilation and years of suicidal thinking. It was nightmare life. Then I started having spiritual experiences that showed me I could heal myself, turn my life around and show others how to do the same. And over the process of 8 years, I found that healing, mostly through the basic tenets put forth by the self-help authors out there. He who overcometh shall inherit the earth. We really can overcome anything, and create exactly what we want. I continue to have experiences with the light, filtering more and more into my world. It is channelling heaven into my world. And it's dependent on my choice on how much I am willing to let go of; how much I'm willing to take responsibility for, and how much I generate of this dream from my very base--the base we are all connected to: the field of all possibilities. We will only perceive as much spiritual light as we are open to and willing to experience.

After progressing for many years, two years ago, I had ongoing spiritual experiences over the course of a few weeks. I had crossed beyond the polarity world of good/bad, and found an ongoing level of spiritual purity where the truth was all good. And I REAL-ized that this truth was our very basis. We are one with this truth in each minute, and each one of us can re-COGNIZE and REAL-ize this as well.

[Anima]

And, yes, what many people live out is their own self-created hell in each moment and day. We keep ourselves detached from our true nature, and so many see heaven and hell outside of themselves as though it is somewhere else in space and time. It is useful to detach in time in order to logically theorize about such ideas, and really, the only moment ever is now. The eternal now.

"Yesterday" and "tomorrow" only exist as theory in our minds. We are never in yesterday and we will never be in tomorrow. Such illusions have helped us learn and achieve knowledge. We can liken ourselves to Adam and Eve: we have this amazing earth playground to live, learn and love on. It's a garden of Eden where we can create our greatest dreams. And by our detaching, and theorizing and learning, we activate separation and polarity. We come to believe it is real, our separation from our spiritual nature--from our very selves, and from our potential/whole. It's not real. We can all start plugging in and engaging in our potential and what is real in any moment.

[DaveTyler]

A great story man, this is what happened to me after years of depression, anxiety and some physical illness,when I found LoA.
I wish I never digged deeper into it, cause I mean, what the f is the meaning of life if your not supposed to experience it?
Was buddha wrong? are we supposed to live life and be happy and healthy, or are we supposed to try to become one with oness and dissapear into the light? I completely don't get it, and the more I think about it, the worse it gets, I'm in constant misery from digging myself into this and I don't see anyway out.
I understand what you mean by "experiencing hell", but that's not what I mean, I mean TRUTH, is this hell? like all we experience is hell? good or bad?
Is reality OVERALL, hell? and we're supposed to get out of it? Isn't that kind of pointless?

I started thinking about this after reading some christian stuff saying "soul is satan", which can't be true?

[Anima]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

A great story man, this is what happened to me after years of depression, anxiety and some physical illness,when I found LoA.
I wish I never digged deeper into it, cause I mean, what the f is the meaning of life if your not supposed to experience it?
Was buddha wrong? are we supposed to live life and be happy and healthy, or are we supposed to try to become one with oness and dissapear into the light? I completely don't get it, and the more I think about it, the worse it gets, I'm in constant misery from digging myself into this and I don't see anyway out.
I understand what you mean by "experiencing hell", but that's not what I mean, I mean TRUTH, is this hell? like all we experience is hell? good or bad?
Is reality OVERALL, hell? and we're supposed to get out of it? Isn't that kind of pointless?

Hey, cool! I'm happy to hear that you also had a big turnaround and that you are so honestly searching out your truth. It's such an amazing path!

The one thing I know is that the answers are within us each, individually, and we are each in the exactly right place, in the exact right time, doing the exact right thing for us at all times. It's exactly perfect. And within that, our hopes, dreams and desires are there for a reason. The one thing I suggest is that people listen to the inner highest voice for the answers. Our inner Self--the voice of truth within us is always there and will direct us to exactly what we need to know. We are like any hero in any adventure story who goes through challenges in order to grow and purify. As long as we are keeping our intentions aligned with our higher self and what is right for us, we will not fail. We spend our whole lives learning this.

I spent years pursuing the spiritual in order to heal and to find my truths. And finally, I found the purity and perfection. And what I was then shown was that I was overlooking the perfection in each moment of my human existence. We are here living out our desires and dreams for Divine purposes at all times, so it's perfectly okay! My life was beautiful every second of the hardship, when I realized the truth. We ARE here for a reason! We all have amazing purposes to outlet, and we can give ourselves permission to do that. The spiritual part of us is always one with us, and as we follow more and more of our inner greatest good, the more we will uncover, see and know.

Reality is not hell. What is hell is the ways we've distorted the purity of life. And when we distort the way we see things we must experience everything in life through those distorted lenses we look through. And we do. As humans, it's part of the process. We learn from the contrast. Hell is only real by the experience of it. From the position of who you really are, deep inside, it's really an illusion. The illusions we each keep and live out each day teach us how to unfold more and more to the perfection that we are. This life is a beautiful gift.

You sound conscientious, and you sound like a true seeker. As we trust in our hearts, and our highest most ideal visions, and learn to follow them in ur own special way, we let go of more and more of the illusions. And we uncover more and more of the truth. Peace to you along the way, my friend.

[DaveTyler]

Thanks for sharing, you say you found purity in life, what you mean?

Do you believe in afterlife? and if so, reincarnation or heaven/hell concept?

[stroodle]

Originally Posted by Anima

We are never in yesterday and we will never be in tomorrow.

very well put...

I think I need to start reminding myself of this, and start living more in the NOW

[Anima]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Thanks for sharing, you say you found purity in life, what you mean?

Do you believe in afterlife? and if so, reincarnation or heaven/hell concept?

You are welcome. It's a great topic, and one I've also considered many times.

The purity I refer to is that I finally tapped into a deeply spiritual level of life. It was so stunning, amazing and pristine. The more I experienced the purity of that level, the more I was pulled away from paying attention to the usual reality. I was only allowed to experience this level of perfection through a period of weeks, intermittently. We can't stay immersed in that perfection and also focussed on taking care of what we need to on this level. And this Light and purity showed me I had to fully immerse myself in my life, and do the very best I could to become all that I desired to be.

My understanding is that when we die, we will meet with the perfection of who we are--the Light/God. In the face of Truth, we will feel the pain of how separated we've been from our truth. We will feel the pain of the "hell" choices we've made and we will finally fully understand how our choices have affected others. And we will feel immense remorse at the sight of what we've done out of synch with our perfection in the light. We will be stunned and humbled by this perfect Light. We will know we are It, and we will want to become one with our Truth. This Light emanates perfect beauty to us--beyond what words can say. When we feel and own all that we've done, what happens is we become one with our truth. People fear facing accountability for their deeds. It is not bad. It is amazing. We will gladly want to accept accountability so we can move into who we really are--the perfect beauty. It is the ultimate and most freeing Truth!

What we can do, is start living with accountability now. I deal with this Light all the time. I will do anything to put right what once went wrong for me. Because it is so beautiful to become more of one's Self. "He who overcometh, shall not feel the second death" I am personally going through this cleansing process now by facing all my accountability so I will be clear when I get to the Light at the end of my life. We can do it consciously, on this earth, by taking accountability for our every action. This is how we truly become Self-empowered also.

As for an afterlife, I've not been there. My understanding is that much of the afterlife stuff is symbolic, and it depends on what our beliefs are now, what afterlife exists for us. From my experiences in the Light, I don't concern myself much with the afterlife, because I have absolutely and complete faith in the perfection of it. We are ALL this Light. Each one of us, from the most crazed serial killer to the most enlightened individual IS this Light. No one is EVER without this Light. When the "hell" gets too bad during our human lives, we are taken out--through mental illness, dissociation, or whatever, into safer zones, or through other ways. While we experience fear, separation and pain, it is really part of the holographic experiences we choose here to learn our lessons. We are always completely Loved, and totally cared for.

[Anima]

Originally Posted by stroodle

very well put...

I think I need to start reminding myself of this, and start living more in the NOW

Thank-you.

It's great when we can be conscious of our use of ideas like time and other theoretical principles. We can use them to create our lives and empower ourselves. The problem comes in when we think of them as underlying reality and as absolutes, and we lock ourselves into the falseness. For many people they use the false structures to build their lives upon. We can centre ourselves and use these concepts as tools for practical applications to unleash the potential of life through us. When we simplify in such a way, we learn to revere and respect the real absolutes.

[Erock]

Man the more I look at the world the more I've realized that it just doesn't make sense. Every single one of my desires is for something that doesn't matter in the long run. I think that by identifiying ourselves as bodies, we are really really limiting ourselves.

The concept of identification is a very fascinating one to me. You can identify with anything. Have you ever had something that felt valuable to you? Maybe someone tried to take it away from you, and you felt scared, angry, jealous, and your entire attention was focused on getting it back. Maybe a year later you looked back on that incident and realized how dumb you were for being so attached to that item. In essence, you had identified with it. It had become a part of you, and because you made it a part of you, emotions arose. The emotions could be negative or positive. You could feel powerful and happy when you have it, or scared and fearful when someone else has it.

That basic analogy is how I think spiritual gurus and those that have reached enlightment look at their own body. It used to be a part of them. They used to identify with it, and had emotions surrounding it. These emotions were sometimes good and sometimes bad. Then they basically dis-identified with it. That's why the zen masters almost call people stupid. Their perspective on the body, is the same as your perspective on the item a year later. It seems stupid to have cared for the item so much, and cause yourself so much suffering.

Now to take this ramble one step further, I think the real secret is that the gurus do identify with something. What they identify with though I'm not sure. I guess it is the awareness behind consciousness, the everything and nothing? The point is that they identify with something timeless, something that does not die, cannot be killed, and I'm not sure but it may be god itself.

That's why one of the steps towards enlightment is feeling like you are nothing, a blank slate. This is the point where you have dis-identified with the body, but have not identified with the absolute yet. A lot of people get confused when they hit this point though, and may even go back to body-identification.

Erock

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by Erock

Man the more I look at the world the more I've realized that it just doesn't make sense.

Strange. My experience is the opposite. The more I look at the world, the more I understand it and the more logical and sensical it becomes.

[torilink]

Hell is not a place, it is a miscreation.

We create all we experience, we either do this through positive "Spirit" with out thoughts.

Or, we do it through negative, "Ego" thoughts.

One is "Heaven" the other is "Hell"

the only one who will ever punish you is yourself, when you allow ego based thoughts to manifest your reality.

[drkirby]

I believe that hell and earth are internal experiences you live as external illusions that you perceive.

What you create inside reflects on the outside like a mirror.

Life for most people is suffering.

The goal of spirituality is to let go of this suffering. And if you can well, why not get some joy as well.

You don't have to become one, or the buddha or whatever for this to happen.

It's lying dormant inside all of us. The mind is the cause of the suffering, because it is the filter through which we experience reality. And if you start to believe that what you see is real, then hell will be on earth.

Once you start to realize, that you are not what your mind thinks you are. This does not happen through forum debates, intellectualization, rationalization, or reading through 100 scripture texts.

That is the ego trying to get bigger, which is fine as long as you know it so.

You realize it through knowing. Which can only be felt, and never understood logically, or coined or labeled by words which do nothing but constrain and limit it's true meaning.