Free Will vs Determinism

[jamestl2]

I just wanted to know what your guys thoughts about the topics are, like:
Is Free Will an Illusion?
Do we control our own Destinies?
Is there some larger plan at work that we as humans are conscioussly unaware of?

I personally believe that free will is influenced by nature, but we determine our own fates.

[777]

After reading up on ancient cosmology, early Christian symbolism, the Mayan calander and much more... I believe there is a phenominal amount of evidence suggesting that there is a divine plan at work and that everything as it is happening is perfect for our planets ascension....

I think most of our human race is unaware of the divine plan at work, but I believe this to be part of the plan, and when they become aware, it will be in keeping with divine timing, for all there really is is divine timing. We are all one. And therefore we are all aspects of divinity ourselves.

Time and space is an illusion created by our emotions. We feel and so we are, and so we be and eventually we be-come; we become aware that we are that which we first felt, and everything in between, we are the all in all. And from that point of realization we surrender to the divine plan, the higher intelligence, with complete faith, honouring our Divinity, enjoying the rest of the ride and whatever is presented to us, using our intuition as our guide.

Originally Posted by 777

Lets crush these illusions on the head and make a real revelation in this thread that 666 is actually a very important number as David Fideler has pointed out in his book 'Jesus Christ SUN of God, Ancient Cosmology and Early Christian Symbolism':

"In Hebrew Kabbalah, the names of the Intelligence of the Sun and the Spirit of the Sun were designed to equal 111 and 666 respectively. Like 888, 666 is an important musical number, for .666 is the ratio of the perfect fifth, the most powerful harmonic interval."

Ancient gematria tells us that Jesus (Iesous) is equal to 888... I believe the next step in this planets ascension will be the Second Coming of Christ, who's name will equal 666 in ancient Hebrew gematria and who will lead life on Earth into the next Golden Age. Of course this person will be in seen in some ways as the ‘Anti-Christ’ as he will teach of unity and point out the flaws in the Christian faith, probably leading to its complete downfall.

Now you can see why the devil was created by the Church and labelled with the mark 666.

But destiny has other plans, the real truth will be revealed.

"We are but the instrument of heaven. Our work is not design, but destiny." *Owen Meredith

I guess this statement from wikipedia resonates with me the most:

"Theological determinism is the thesis that there is a God who determines all that humans will do, either by knowing their actions in advance, via some form of omniscience or by decreeing their actions in advance. The problem of free will, in this context, is the problem of how our actions can be free, if there is a being who has determined them for us ahead of time."

[Anima]

We were taught cause and effect from birth. We search unendingly, and we find reasons and causes for just about everything. Great individuals through time have believed in determinism and that free-will was an illusion. Classical physics rests upon these principles. The universe is a great mechanism that operates outside our opinions of it. Within this view, we are mere passive observers, likened to being cogs in the machine.

On the other hand, we have the "new" science of quantum physics. We have concepts such as the uncertainty principle and complementarity which indicate that at a fundamental level of physical reality, sub-atomically, consciousness affects physical matter. This is shown through wave/particle duality. The outcome of such experimentation in the quantum world is inextricably tied to the will of the observer, through the vehicle of the measuring devices used. Such quantum observation shows us that one approach to the observation will bring an outcome of a wave phenomenon, while another observation/measurement will produce the outcome of a particle.

The philosophers and other wise people such as Einstein who believed in determinism, did so based on the idea that we are not operating "freely" outside of determinants. Our every thought, word and deed is preceded by causes that create our actions, despite how we choose to look at it. And therefore the idea is that we do not have a free will, independant of determined cause. And at the same time, at the fundamental level of the quantum realm, the consciousness, choices and decisions of the observer directly affect the outcome of physical reality reality. Given these two conflicting perspectives, which view of reality is true?

In my personal experience, I've come to understand that we are taught to perceive reality in a cause and effect manner from basically birth. In our society, we value the "objective" truths of science and what is taught in school. We hone our "left-brain"--our linear, logical ability, at the expense of balancing our many brain functions. We are trained to look for and see what is logical and what occurs in a linear fashion, and we are taught to overlook and ignore our natural holistic awareness, which then lies latent within us all. It's not that we shut down this awareness, we are just generally unconscious of the depths of life that there are to perceive around us. Due to our left brain focus and prioritization, we inadvertently set the Law of Attraction into action. We create what we expect to see, over and over, taking our creation to be reality itself. Within these parameters, we don't have pure free will, because we are unconscious of what is really going on. We create what our past dictates to us beyond our awareness of doing so.

However, it's readily apparent to me that many people on this board are of the small percentage who are awakening to truth and to their true potential. As we become more and more conscious of the patterns of unconscious teaching or programming that we are operating on, we learn to own once unconscious choices, thereby increasing our sense of self-mastery. We come to consciously balance our brain functioning, integrating linear, logical processes with whole, gestalt ones. We create a synergistic synapse in our thinking, sparking the inner Light of in-Sight. Eventually, by ongoing self-REAL-ization, we come to harmonize with more fundamental levels of existence both within ourselves and without, becoming whole.

This becomes not a matter of determinism vs free-will, but about a whole view of reality comprised of two complementary views wherein the seeming contradictions between the two views harmonize into a rich enlivening whole. We find that at some points in our experience it is valid and appropriate to look through the determistic lens, and yet at others, we might utilize the create-your-reality types of experiences, potently using the Law of Attraction. We awaken to the power of the moment to make conscious choices designed to suit our purposes at any point in time. When we come to resonate to this level of existence, we achieve what few do. We become self-actualized, as defined by Abraham Maslow. We become one with our environment, and with our very Selves. We come to recognize our ability to manifest our dreams, and understand that as the drop of water, we are at the very same time also the ocean. We come to see the profound truth in the following statement as we become one with our ground state, being both our potential and the field of all possibilities.:

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth."
~Niels Bohr, the father of quantum physics