6 month Enlightenment course? what?

[Showtime]

Alright, so I've been working with this new teacher that a friend/member here put me on to, and I figured I'd share my experiences so far with you guys.

2 months or so ago, I was basically ready to give up the entire Enlightenment thing (some of you probably remember the post I made.) At that point I was pretty much fed up with all the theories, ideas, information, misinformation, etc, but I ended up speaking with a member here and he shared a few things with me about the teacher who lead him to Enlightenment. I read a few articles by this teacher and it was just one of those things where I was like "ok, this really really makes sense." I'll link a couple of articles after I discuss my experience with this teachers' work and what it's done for me.

So I was reading through his website and a few things that stuck out to me such as: "Initially, Dr Young offered his meditation to only his patients for the chronic disease cure for many years. But friends and family members of his patients also wanted to learn his meditation technique. His meditation is unique, it eliminated ego very effectively in short time and leads to enlightenment in 2-6 month, not 10-20 years or forever."

Basically it's a very very simple mind cleansing technique that chips away the ego little by little at it's foundation. Personally, I've been involved with his study for around 2 months, and it's made drastic improvements in my overall happiness, attitude and general well-being. My relationships have improved, problems are easier to deal with, and a bunch of other stuff.

So while I can't say "Yes, this work definitely lead me to Enlightenment," I can say that it has helped me tremendously, and I have full faith that it will. I'll link the member who went through the full mind cleansing study, so if he wants to comment he can.

Anyway, here are a couple of his articles so if it resonates, check him out:

YoungOne Meditation - Words from Heaven

And this is the book that was recently released that contains the details of the mind cleansing study:

Home Page

If you're familiar with Materials like Hicks, Hawkins, Tolle, Werner Erhard, etc this stuff will make complete sense to you.

[Curtis2011]

Originally Posted by Showtime

His meditation is unique, it eliminated ego very effectively in short time and leads to enlightenment in 2-6 month, not 10-20 years or forever."

Just be careful if he attempts to sell you that meditation technique for only three low payments of $99.99.

[freelife]

Originally Posted by Curtis2011

Just be careful if he attempts to sell you that meditation technique for only three low payments of $99.99.

Is this supposed to be a joke?
I have known him for 6 years, and he never asked me to pay a cent.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by freelife

Is this supposed to be a joke?
I known him for 6 years and he never asked me to pay a cent.

Yea, I've been doing teaching/meditation sessions with him for about 2 months now (once or twice weekly) and he hasn't even mentioned anything about money.

Not to mention the entire technique is outlined in the book.

[BillyTheAdult]

It is an abnormally expensive book. But hey don't knock until you've tried it I guess.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by BillyTheAdult

It is an abnormally expensive book. But hey don't knock until you've tried it I guess.

What price are you looking at? Because I know the first thing listed is the ebook+paperback combo which comes to like 50 bucks. The book alone is 20 or 30 bucks depending on if you get the ebook version or paperback.

[BillyTheAdult]

Oh. My mistake, I thought $50 was just for the hardback. I doubt I buy this book right off, but I bookmarked the page. I'll check it out in the not to distant future.

[Curtis2011]

Originally Posted by freelife

Is this supposed to be a joke?
I have known him for 6 years, and he never asked me to pay a cent.

Yes it was a joke. I was making fun of the idea that he can get you to enlightenment "in only 2-6 months" which I laughed heartily at.

But if he is not extorting anyone (as many fake teachers usually do), then he is probably a legit teacher.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by Curtis2011

Yes it was a joke. I was making fun of the idea that he can get you to enlightenment "in only 2-6 months" which I laughed heartily at.

I disagree, but I understand your point. But from the time that I first heard the word "Enlightenment" to my first experience with it was around 4 months. Granted, I wasn't able to get back there, but I think we're conditioned to believe that spirituality takes a lifetime of sacrifice. There was a program in the 70's (E.S.T.) that destroyed the ego and banged out the whole Enlightenment in 2 weekends, so I don't think it's unheard of.

But yea, I understand your skepticism, which is why I researched it a lot before deciding it was something I wanted to be a part of, but even the amount of growth I've mad since starting.. you can't really put a price on (in my opinion.)

[theuprising]

Originally Posted by Showtime

What price are you looking at? Because I know the first thing listed is the ebook+paperback combo which comes to like 50 bucks. The book alone is 20 or 30 bucks depending on if you get the ebook version or paperback.

If there was actually a guy who was enlightened, and wanted to outline the method in a book, I promise you, the book will not cost any money.

I have very bleak outlook for this method. And OP, weren't you the guy who said he was "enlightened" a while back? :P You should teach the course. But really, I felt that way in the past too, but I always reidentify with my mind..

EDIT: Enlightenment is a mistranslation of the word, what the Buddha really gained was "Awakening". According to Zen Buddhism, awakening can take several years, or several seconds. I had a brief period of awakening when I saw this video, maybe it will be permenant for you:

YouTube - Alan Watts - fear of enlightenment

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by theuprising

If there was actually a guy who was enlightened, and wanted to outline the method in a book, I promise you, the book will not cost any money.

I have very bleak outlook for this method. And OP, weren't you the guy who said he was "enlightened" a while back? :P You should teach the course. But really, I felt that way in the past too, but I always reidentify with my mind..

EDIT: Enlightenment is a mistranslation of the word, what the Buddha really gained was "Awakening". According to Zen Buddhism, awakening can take several years, or several seconds. I had a brief period of awakening when I saw this video, maybe it will be permenant for you:

YouTube - Alan Watts - fear of enlightenment

Thanks for the link, but I'm extremely careful who I take information from these days. I've heard way too many insane life theories to the point where I'm very very careful about even the information I surround myself with, so thank you, but I think I'll pass.

[freelife]

Originally Posted by theuprising

If there was actually a guy who was enlightened, and wanted to outline the method in a book, I promise you, the book will not cost any money.

EDIT: Enlightenment is a mistranslation of the word, what the Buddha really gained was "Awakening". According to Zen Buddhism, awakening can take several years, or several seconds. I had a brief period of awakening when I saw this video, maybe it will be permenant for you:

YouTube - Alan Watts - fear of enlightenment

I have been with him on and off for more than 5 years, and I know how much he has sacrificed to teach and promote for the way of truth. He never said anything about money, but as far as I know, he sold his asset, and sacrificed his job to help people and published a book.

How can anyone say the book shouldn't cost any money?
It is so easily and casually to talk like that way, but you try it my friend to see how hard it is.
I have nothing but the admiration for him. I wish I had enough money to help him out, but he refused and only accepted my donation just same as any other students who were only giving him 20 dollars per week while I was learning.
He said money is also the truth don't have judgment for the money, dirty only if you think that way.

I agree with my master about the level of enlightenment;
He said there are thousands of theories of truth out there.
We have enough theories of truth but what good is it if you can't change yourself and live for it?

All of it becomes delusion if you can't attain enlightenment and live according to truth.

According to my master Youngone, and as far as he concerned, there are three levels of enlightenment for the human being on this planet can achieve.

First stage is just awakening that is just tour of heaven or sight seeing when you cross the event horizon.

Second stage is when you go down deeper after crossing event horizon, and reached the bottom of the heaven, there is an experience of replacement of consciousness is waiting for you. That is your body outline is blurred and merge into the whole Universe of greater consciousness. The expansion of identity that is your true identity, which is Godself. In this stage, you will truly realise that I am God, and I created and own the whole world and knowing everything.

Third stage is you just becoming living God-self. Unfortunately, I have not yet reached this stage but only reached the second stage.

That is the reason why now I am preparing to go to mountain and live alone for a while to see if I can reach that stage.

I have no doubt whatsoever my master reached the third stage long ago and got the seal of approval to be a teacher from heaven.

And yet he lives, smiles, jokes and plays like just normal people. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw him first time because I was expecting to see a holy man, but he wasn't. He was so normal and looked like a kid.

So far, my journey of life has been fulfilled by meeting a true master after many years of wandering from city to mountain or even in prison. (Refer my post 12-5-2010, How to find true master?)

I know many people here in this forum only just like to talk about and enjoying the theory without actually becoming theory itself.

I do strongly recommend to try it. It will change your life like I have.

I have no hesitation to promote his book for you Home Page
Or his website YoungOne Meditation - Home

Freelife.

[MyEyeIsOpen]

I think enlightenment is a tricky concept, and I think it ebbs and flows. But, I'm comfortable with a definition like: enlightenment is getting the joke. Or that it's having this ultimate perspective that puts everything in life (and death) in its proper place.

And if that's the case, I have been to that state before, I experienced intensely and directly, and it flowed through me for some time. And whenever things get bad for me, as they do for everyone occasionally, I can look back and say "ohhhh, yeah, this is hilarious!"

I think everyone would benefit wildly from having that same inner resource. If this guy can do it in a few months, more power to him.

[Curtis2011]

Originally Posted by MyEyeIsOpen

But, I'm comfortable with a definition like: enlightenment is getting the joke.

I do think it will be quite funny seeing the world as it is.

Hawkins told a story of one of his past lives at a seminar once (its on Youtube somewhere). I believe he said he was a soldier fighting against one of the Islamic jihads that happened centuries ago.

He said that he and an Islamic guy killed each other in combat. Then they both went out of their dead bodies and saw each other in astral bodies. Hawkins said "I killed him for God and he killed me for Allah. It was hilarious." Lol!

[Andrew Gubb]

From what I understand from my favourite enlightenment resource, TAT Forum TAT Forum | a spiritual magazine of essays, poetry and humor, the consensus among successful seekers seems to be that it takes about 2 years max to get enlightened if you don't waste your time.

[Showtime]

Yea, I think the whole time thing is entirely subjective. A lot of times it depends on what level of consciousness you start out at, what your intentions are, what teachers you get involved with, how much misinformation you're subjected to stuff like that. I've also found that subjecting yourself to a lot of information and theory clouds your brain and conditions you even more, while Enlightenment is really about deconditioning yourself and returning back to your true nature, which is already there and trying to escape but most likely covered in a lot of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I just know from speaking with YoungOne, that's the amount of time it typically takes to move his students from (what he calls) Level 1 through Level 3, and finally into heaven.

It's almost College-esqe.

[BillyTheAdult]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

From what I understand from my favourite enlightenment resource, TAT Forum TAT Forum | a spiritual magazine of essays, poetry and humor, the consensus among successful seekers seems to be that it takes about 2 years max to get enlightened if you don't waste your time.

From people I have read who have achieved it, once you get serious I would say this figure is pretty accurate, though it varies from person to person. I think it took Nisargadatta Maharaj like a year and a half in his spare time. That is to say he owned a business and had a family, both of which he still took care of and spent his free time in meditation and contemplation.

[BillyTheAdult]

It's awesome that you can become enlightened in less time than it takes to fix the world economy.

[freelife]

Originally Posted by Showtime

while Enlightenment is really about deconditioning yourself and returning back to your true nature, which is already there and trying to escape but most likely covered in a lot of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I just know from speaking with YoungOne, that's the amount of time it typically takes to move his students from (what he calls) Level 1 through Level 3, and finally into heaven.

It's almost College-esqe.

Yeah I couldn't agree more.
Especially this "trying to escape but most likely covered in a lot of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥."
Above sentence is the pointer to enlightenment.

I tell you they even have written exam to pass every stage and other spiritual tests.
It is a college of enlightenment. He has a curriculum like university and there is an elective as well.

I failed the exam once because I was not prepared for it.
Can you imagine an exam for meditation?
What do you suppose to exam in writing?
How can you have a written exam for spiritual nature?
I was shocked first time but quickly got it at the end and got through.
It was 30 multiple choice of questions, and every question was very tricky but had only one answer. It was worth it and made me to wake up a lot.

You're gonna get it Showtime

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by BillyTheAdult

It's awesome that you can become enlightened in less time than it takes to fix the world economy.

I know, I actually think about this a lot. Even if people were above the halfway mark on the Hawkins Scale it would just be a complete and utter end to all war, violence, domestic violence, rape, extreme poverty, drug addiction, need for prisons, etc, etc, even most arguments.

I wish more of this stuff were taught in schools.

Maybe now that it's moving to a more Scientific/Psychological (as opposed to religious or mystical) realm it eventually will be.

Originally Posted by freelife

Yeah I couldn't agree more.

It is a college of enlightenment. He has a curriculum like university and there is an elective as well.

Haha, he's such a funny dude the way it's all set up.

I should be coming up to the end of Level 1 pretty soon.

[Experience]

it dont matter what you do since you are. being you are is it. you could be in iraq about to be toutured or be surrounded by 25 beautiful women who know how to turn you on. two situations where you can be simply present and in joy. the only thing that motivates you is experiencing that space.