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11-26-2010, 07:19 PM
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Hi, this post contains some of my perplexing thoughts. Erin's articles have always made me feel good but I have some questions. Guys, please help me, Things that make me not so sure about incarnation: 1- No one would ever choose to be born in like a third world country where the HIV rate is high or something. 2-I don't remember anything of my past lives 3-I don't think I have chosen my parents (unless my soul has some masochistic issues!) 3-You mean someone like Hitler would get to choose to live again and then …?!? 4-You said if someone hurts us, that someone would feel the pain in his life review, what about that damaged soul? 5-If a spirit chose a body, would he see his future? And if yes, then why on earth would he ever decide to have that future if he already knew that the upcoming result would not be so nice? 6-Why would someone want to be born mentally/physically disabled…?( how can a spirit learn some spiritual lesson while he's suffering from Down's Syndrome?) Well, I have many more on mind. Right now I'm really confused. In one way incarnation seems so exciting and it makes me want to be enjoying my life more, while in another way those issues I mentioned just don't seem right with the subject of incarnation. |
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11-26-2010, 08:12 PM
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I don't know any answers to those questions, just a few general things I've read somewhere or felt: We don't know what's going on HERE, but some NDE people have experienced glimpses of the PLAN / GAME. Sometimes I feel that "dis-advantaged" and suffering people are the purer / more advanced "souls" learning even greater lessons than those of us who live a more "normal" life. Sometimes the PURPOSE of life seems to be: "Yes the world sucks and everything is despair.....now, against all odds, GET DOWN THERE AND HELP SOMETHING OR SOMEONE !" We don't know how many or what type of universes there are or how vast the universal unconscious may be, and these may hold answers to the questions we can't answer here.
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11-26-2010, 08:31 PM
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It does seem there could be a lot of explanations for your question though. | |
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11-26-2010, 08:46 PM
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I'm sure there are plenty of people on this forum who could answer these questions much better than me, but I'll tell you what I think the answers are. You're looking at this from your perspective. You might think "I would HATE to live in a country with HIV or one that's third world, so why would any spirit being choose to incarnate as one of these people?" Well, as far as I know, we continually reincarnate to learn lessons based on our life experience. The life lessons you learn directly relate to how your life plays out. It's not a stretch to say that the people who are living in third world countries have dramatically different qualities from me, and maybe if I needed those qualities as a spirit being, I would choose to incarnate into a body that was living in a third world country. I think that's an important thing to remember. You don't incarnate on Earth to have fun, or to be rich, or have a nice relaxed life. You incarnate to learn. Obviously, this doesn't mean you can't have fun, but it does explain why people would choose lives that are more challenging. As far as not remembering your past lives, they seem to be buried deep in our sub-conscious. Some people CAN remember their past lives, and others need to be taken to a hypnotist for past life regressions. Here's a youtube video of a professional hypnotist explaining his experience with past live patients. YouTube - Michael Newton-Past Life Therapy-Journey Between Lives 1/5 For your parents, you may have chose your life living with them so you could learn something from your experience. I'm not sure about the life review, but from what I've heard, you become aware of the pain you made other people suffer, but not in a harsh way. You're not necessarily punished for causing other people pain, you just get to experience what you did to them. I don't believe you see the future of your life. I believe you make a life plan, where you decide what you want to experience in your life. You then incarnate into the body where that plan is most likely to be fulfilled, and get cues from your spirit guides in your life that lead you to fulfilling your goals that you set before you incarnated. You still have your free will, and you don't know how you're life is going to pan out. If you follow your spirit guides, though, you will experience the life you planned to experience. I guess this relates to Hitler, because his spirit might've not planned to kill millions of people (I hope not, anyways), but he ended up doing that, because of his own personal choices. For your last question, mentally ill people can still think, and they can still learn. In fact, I'm sure they have a view on reality that is COMPLETELY different from our own views. That's everything I know, basically. I'm not even sure what to think about reincarnation, but I do think it's the most viable of the afterlife possibilities. |
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11-26-2010, 10:00 PM
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Religion = Good versus Evil - an idea created by the human species that now controls almost its entire population in the form of money, laws, and countries. Nature = Balance versus Imbalance - the one constant course of all things within the Universe. Something either works or doesn't. Last edited by Leondegrance; 11-26-2010 at 11:41 PM. | |
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11-27-2010, 02:37 PM
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Thanks for all of your insightful wisdom. @mikethedrummer44: I think your answers were pretty understandable. Now that I am giving it more thought, I can see the points you were trying to make. But yet, you can never be sure. You may build up a whole new logical hypothesis one day, and then some other day somebody else could prove it wrong. |
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11-27-2010, 03:55 PM
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[QUOTE=mikethedrummer44;763859] YouTube - Michael Newton-Past Life Therapy-Journey Between Lives 1/5 /QUOTE] I was going to post to recommend Michael Newton's books too. I've just re-red them and they go into a lot of detail about choices we make and what we want to achieve as souls through incarnating that we can't without a body. |
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11-27-2010, 04:20 PM
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Jasmine - Thanks for asking your questions. My answers are my experience and information from the Akashic Records, so please keep exploring to find the answers for yourself. 1. Many times when we first incarnate on the earth, we want to live in a place/with parents where there is a more pure bloodline and a long genetic history of survival, simply so that we can tap into that understanding. As we progress, and we have a handle on the basics of survival, we incarnate into more mixed bloodlines and other geographic areas to gain different experiences. Sometimes we have specific reasons for wanting to come into a certain country (i.e. helping with HIV, wanting to experience a certain condition or event, etc). Other times we are simply choosing the parents and happen to be in a certain country with certain issues. 2. Most people don't remember their past lives because of the conditioning that happens very early on. If reincarnation was widely accepted from birth where we were born, and we were encouraged to simply be ourselves instead of trying to "fit into" society, the rate of remembering would be higher. If we can die consciously in our last lifetime, we are born remembering it. There is a great example that I've talked about from a child named James whose last lifetime was as a WWII naval aviator - he remembers his relatives, his friends on the ship, how he died, etc. Check it out at YouTube - Reincarnation- past life evidence (P 1). You can also do past life regressions, holotropic breathwork, intuitive readings, asking about your lives before you go to sleep - there are many modalities that can help us remember. 3a. A lot of us wonder why we chose our parents!  We don't choose parents for their circumstances (i.e. rich/poor, wise/ignorant), or their personality, but rather for the opportunity to become enlightened through their bloodline. Then we have to deal with the conflict that arises from being with our family! Each soul resonates at a certain vibration/frequency, and based on those harmonics we have a range of parents that we choose from.3b. This might sound strange to some people, but Hitler is sitting it out right now, like a cosmic "time-out". And I would imagine that yes, he would be allowed to come back. Understand that we ALL have a full range of expression in our incarnations, where we have played out a variety of roles (i.e. killer/victim/hero, sinner/saint, tyrant/empowering leader). If we have one life has a monk/nun, our very next lifetime we might want to have sex with anyone that moves, just to balance ourselves out. 4. Souls aren't really damaged per se, they're indestructible. They can't be tarnished, tainted, destroyed, changed. We can carry conflict in our etheric bodies from other lifetimes, which wants to be released either with the specific souls that we played with, or with a similar situation. When we die we get the opportunity to review our life, and even release more conflict at that time. If we have a lot of conflict, then we find ourselves in an etheric place where we can eventually release it. Karma is simply our own internal conflict. For example, if we live in a village that is being attacked, and we kill the marauders invading us but have no conflict about it, then we have no karma. If we have conflict about it, then we carry that with us until we release it (i.e. that life, trying to work it out after we die, and in other lifetimes). And nothing can hurt us unless we want it to. There is nothing more powerful than us - unless we choose to give our power to something. 5. Before we choose to incarnate into a certain lifetime, we can see certain immutable events that will be impactful on our lives, but our response to the events is still unknown until we incarnate and experience it. We can do this in our present body (i.e. Nostradamus viewing his future lives), or in-between lifetimes. There is a multitude of reasons that we would still choose what looks like a difficult path, including shifting our consciousness, helping others, being with those we love, and more. There can be very specific reasons, like fulfilling a life purpose, or more generic reasons, like helping those we love. And most of the suffering that happens is a result of a lack of understanding/love/consciousness, meaning it doesn't have to happen. When we shift our perspective and understanding, we can live beyond even the most difficult circumstances. 6. Sometimes people will choose a certain condition for what they will gain from it (ie. gaining understanding about disabled people so they can work with them in another life, being disabled as a karmic balance for something they did in another life, etc), and other times it can simply be an accident of fate (i.e. their mom took a medication when they shouldn't have). Some of this can be difficult to digest if we think there is a right/wrong, good/bad. Life tends to be neutral and we impose our meaning on it, including conflict-laden judgments or love-marinated consiousness. Hope that helps! Last edited by ChrisL; 11-27-2010 at 04:25 PM. |
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11-28-2010, 12:30 AM
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Thanks Chris, that was very helpful. The more I reflect on them the clearer things get. It is just making a lot more sense now. Is there any chances that what some people remember turns out to be false? I mean like the dreams that we have they could be imaginary and unreal. But I want to try that technique you mentioned to try to remember my past lives. I'm gonna ask to remember my past lives and I will also do meditation every night, hope that works! |
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11-28-2010, 12:40 AM
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During a past life regression session many years ago, I wondered why I would have willingly endured such a difficult life. The message I got was that it wasn't for me, so much as it was for my sister in that lifetime. I had elected to be born so I could prevent her suffering and suffered in her place instead. As a child, I did remember shadows of past lives, and I still do. I learned things in dreams that I didn't otherwise have access to as a child. As an adult, I was able to do a lot of hypnotherapy and delve deeper into those experiences. Did I doubt them? Sure, at first, which is why I worked with a trained professional who could guide me and help keep me on track as I re-experienced those lifetimes. The way I see it, past lives might be bunk, but I enjoy my belief in them. They've influenced my current life in interesting ways, and I'm grateful for the experiences, even the painful ones. (WWII sucked.) |
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11-28-2010, 02:41 AM
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I would like to give my best to shed some lights on some of your questions above. I tried to consciously think about things that I want to do in my life; however many things that I've done in my lifetime, I didn't consciously think through it. sometimes, I did at the spurring of the moment, and other times I relied on other people's opinions ( reviews and suggestions, or recommendations). Whenever, I don't think and make a choice by myself, I am subjected to outside conditionings. The outside conditionings, they can be good conditionings and also they can be bad conditionings. The outside conditionings that bombarded on me everyday can affect my thought process of making choices, and I believe you, too, may affected by the outside conditionings through out your lifetime. Like some of the many hard choices, I don't think that I or anyone else would ever choose to be born in the harsh environment of the third world country where they have to face diseases and hard life; however, we born in a certain place, with a certain parents, in a certain class of people depend on our past accumulated deeds (some of those deeds are influenced by outside conditionings). "Owners of their deeds are the beings, heirs of their deeds, their deeds are the wombs from which they are born, their deeds are their friends, their refuges. Whatever deeds they perform, good or bad, thereof they will be the heirs" There are wholesome deeds and unwholesome deeds that we do every day through: bodily action, verbal action, and mental action. There are three unwholesome roots that are in all of us : greed, hate, and delusion. The unwholesome roots usually accompany each other when they arise. If you are deluded, you may have greed and hatred accompanied your delusion. There are three wholesome roots that are in all of us: generosity, good-will, and wisdom. The wholesome roots usually accompany each other when they arise. If you are wise, you may have generosity and good-will accompanied your wisdom. The unwholesome deeds are killing ... stealing ... raping ... lying ... slandering ... rude speech ... foolish babble, if practiced, carried on, and frequently cultivated, leads to bad destinations. "He who kills and is cruel goes either to hell or, if reborn as man, will be short-lived." "He who torments others will be afflicted with disease. " "The angry one will look ugly, the envious one will be without influence, the stingy one will be poor, the stubborn one will be of low descent, the indolent one will be without knowledge. In the contrary case, man will be reborn in heaven or reborn as man, he will be long-lived, possessed of beauty, influence, noble descent and knowledge" With regard to the priority of their result one distinguishes: 1. weighty deeds, 2. habitual deeds, 3. death-proximate deeds, 4. stored-up deeds. The weighty and the habitual wholesome or unwholesome deeds are ripening earlier than the light and rarely performed deeds. (3) The death-proximate deeds - i.e. the wholesome or unwholesome volition present immediately before death, which often may be the reflex of some previously performed good or evil action of deeds, or of a sign of it , or of a sign of the future existence - produces rebirth. (4) In the absence of any of these three actions at the moment before death, the stored-up deeds will produce rebirth. I hope I shed some lights on the subject. Best Regards, Johnny If you want to know more you should check a book called Buddha Abhidhamma Ultimate Science by Dr. Mehm Tin Mon The link is below: http://www.buddhanet.net/filelib/pdf/abhidhaultsci.zip | |
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11-28-2010, 11:19 AM
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Hi There, I do not wish to spray cold water on this subject you guys are on, but I would like to say few words about reincarnation. As far as I found out, We are here to live life of pure energy and nothing in this world lasts forever, we go back to pure energy when we expire. Every individual identity lives only once never twice. There is no connection or relationship between individuals in this world or other world. In other words, your individuality only lives here once and never coming back again when you are physically dead. Only thing matters you are the reincarnation of your direct ancestors, nobody else. Your looks and personality are coming from your ancestors through your parents. You do not get any new spirit from anywhere it is all delusion. As far as pure energy or God concerned, everyone or every pack of vibrational energies are recycled through pure energy and used again and again to make or manifests anything in this world. What I am saying is there is no personal reincarnation. Past life regression by hypnotism is you are remembering your ancestral stories in your DNA of cell. Some sensitive people are feeling and receiving remnant energies of deceased and reciting their memories and thinking it is their past life. Some sensitive individuals also sensing deep into all the memories of many people ever lived in this planet or maybe other planets too. Many people prefer their individuality to live in permanency, but they know they cannot avoid death hence they are choosing reincarnation theory. That is all. It is an emotional choice nothing more. I am sorry to be abrupt, but it is true and truth is always crude and simple. That is why no one believes the truth. Freelife. Last edited by freelife; 11-28-2010 at 11:23 AM. |
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You don't reincarnate based on what's "good" or "bad". If you reincarnated into an area riddled with HIV it would be because it has something to teach you that you either missed or didn't experience in your past life. Even if you were to get HIV it's still not bad. That's our way of rationalizing things in the context of death=suffering. Death is in fact the exact opposite of suffering. You continue to be reborn in ways that help you realize that which you have previously missed. None of the trivial things like disease, injury or down's syndrome have any significance in the scheme of things viewed from the indestructible nature of the soul. What you see on the surface of a man with down's syndrome does not mean he is not learning lessons. The learning is not intellectual. Many people have asked what happens when someone commits suicide. I believe you would be reincarnated into a life where you learn to value every little detail of life until you see life for the miracle it is. |
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02-25-2011, 02:52 AM
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It’s good to be unsure about things you have little experience with. I will attempt to address these questions from my perspective. The basic source of your doubts seem to stem from assuming the soul has a similar outlook to you the incarnation. In my view, the soul for the most part is not judgmental, it seeks experience more than a good time. Best I can tell, many incarnations are just to try out a certain way of being. My soul seldom incarnates as the same species more than once. Perhaps it hasn’t found one it likes. Perhaps the soul does not know how the incarnation is going to turn out in advance, a lottery if you will. NOTE: not my belief, but some people say they are here to help others learn lessons. This is a ‘higher’ purpose as many of these roles are unpleasant. Direct answers: 1 – one can learn a lot from a disadvantaged perspective, namely what is really important to you and what is you and not-you. 1 - if you look back ‘farther’, most find that they have been all sorts of creatures with very different life experiences, what is so bad about being a worm? is that so different from being a coma patient? 2 – most people don’t remember without specifically making an effort to find out, there are people who can help you if you wish to remember, though many don’t believe in it, most people do get some information from past experiences, so unless you have tried this does not suggest they don’t exist 3 – same as 1 4 – the soul is not damaged by experiences of the incarnation, this is not so different than you going to a movie 5 – the soul is timeless 6 – same as 1 |
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03-01-2011, 10:07 PM
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Hello, A reason most amongst don’t recall their previous lives is merely an intelligent safety precaution, it boils down to the fact that your present state of mind wouldn’t be able to cope with that reality, therefore you aren’t granted access until you are ready in this or the next life. Do know, when you reach that mind state, your interest will shift to other areas making this recalling a minor point of interest. I do understand the nature of your questioning, while yes it doesn’t make all that much sense, still, if you would be able to question all the things you brought up from another plain of reality, they would make all the sense in the Universe. When lingering in the physical plane, most amongst are limited in many ways for different reasons, the progress goes slow but our consciousness, follows true into infinity. To find answers one needs to venture within, no books or whatever from outside your inner being could bring you better answers, you can find within your inner self. Do enjoy your life, that’s the main reason to venture upon a Journey in the physical, to actually feel it! Have fun ;-) |
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