The Passage of Time

[judge45]

Your present moment awareness is the only place it seems that you can exist. Not the past and not the future as they are just thought.

All the PD gurus seem to agree on the idea that what you want must be put into the present, you must think of your desire as already achieved. It’s real as you are real, right now. Have you ever thought of something and it happened immediately or very shortly afterwards? I told myself I needed a certain amount of money and I said ‘in a couple of weeks’ and sure enough a couple of weeks later I had the money.

What would have happened if I said right now? Wouldn’t have worked because I believe I need a passage of time to achieve it? Want if you could believe that wasn’t true, would it break your reality some how? Defy the laws, (if there are any) of the universe?

Steve says………..All thought manifests instantly in this present moment. If you believe it takes time for thoughts to manifest, then you will perceive the passage of time and the sensation of gradual manifestation because that will be your entire “thought package.” If you believe thoughts often don’t manifest, then they often won’t.

If you believe in a passage of time, then you are existing in a series of moments that are connected, but that seems to be incorrect, because the moment is always stable because you’re in it, it’s time that tricks you into thinking that you’re moving. You stay still and time moves around you.

50 years may have passed, but you are still you existing in the moment. We define time as something that moves or changes. Maybe it’s all one constant moment and we invent time to explain growth and achievement.

I don’t think we move towards a goal or go to the future to achieve something, we actually create it here in the moment, bring it into out reality right now. We invent the passage of time to justify a sense of accomplishment.

Pretty extreme, probably wrong, but hey times up

HTH

Jeff

PS This is really from a SR POV, according to Steve..................

But if the world is created by my thoughts, then why does it seem so stable day after day?


In truth there is no day after day. There is only the present moment, which is the only place where thought has power. At this time you believe in the past and the future, and you believe the past, present, and future must have a certain continuity, so that is real for you. If you believe the past, present, and future could be discontinuous, then that would be your reality, and you would have more power in the present than you do now

[desertlady]

Nope, I think you are spot on. My reality, as I see it and feel it right now, has nothing to do with "how it appears" or how I may have interpreted my current present in relation to "past." I can change all of that at whim. Therefore, shedding those conceptions, I'm emerging into the "future realization" of my desires and who I am based on what I'm feeling and experiencing NOW. It's very creative, and empowering.

On, I just love all this fun stuff.

Having a ball right now,
Donna

[judge45]

If we have any kind of consciousnes, then I would image that consciousness is not time bound. If something is eternal then time is not of any importance and may not exist at all other than a self imposed reference point.

Kooky

Jeff

[Michael Chui]

Neither is space. Everything is here, now.

[Liara Covert]

Time as we know it is a human invention. I agree with Michael. Everything is here already. If you think it requires 'time' to achieve or experience things, then you will evolve to believe this. What if you decided that you didn't have to wait for events to unfold, you only needed to remember how to expand your perception? This would be a step beyond the laws of attraction to where you become aware you knew things all along.

[persephonevii]

So if everything is here and now, no past and no future- what exactly are memories? I especially like the idea of time being a human concept, just another belief. Been reflecting upon it all afternoon. Are memories just a snapshot of something essentially non-existent? That's pretty crazy sounding. And I suppose memories also gave rise to the idea of time, eg: I remember you had such short hair and now, it's so long!

[ethereal]

There is only change within the Here and Now. The changes we see is what we attribute as "time." So in the timeless Now, memories are just the evolution of our mind/consciousness where it "remembers" and "forgets" the changes that occured "before." Due to the mind's structure being limited, it can only "remember" the past and not the future, even though both exist Now -- the past as a continuous timeless creation/evolution in the Now, and the future as unlimited Potential in the Now, waiting to be Manifest into creation. When consciousness evolves enough, it is possible to see the timelessness of everything, they can remember their past lives (since their past life memories are still in the Now), and for some people they can even see the most likely versions of the future (also in the Now) as their minds have evolved enough to be able to perceive it. It isn't possible to do anything in the past or future, by definition.

Hope that wasn't too confusing It's a tough paradigm shift. I can only understand it intellectually at best, so hard to live it as Eckhart Tolle repeatedly suggests

[Michael Chui]

I've never found the thought process useful. Defining space and time to be inconsequential is a different perspective on the world, but I don't see it as a necessary one. Most people don't achieve it and they do just fine.

[judge45]

Originally Posted by ethereal

There is only change within the Here and Now. The changes we see is what we attribute as "time." So in the timeless Now, memories are just the evolution of our mind/consciousness where it "remembers" and "forgets" the changes that occured "before." Due to the mind's structure being limited, it can only "remember" the past and not the future, even though both exist Now -- the past as a continuous timeless creation/evolution in the Now, and the future as unlimited Potential in the Now, waiting to be Manifest into creation. When consciousness evolves enough, it is possible to see the timelessness of everything, they can remember their past lives (since their past life memories are still in the Now), and for some people they can even see the most likely versions of the future (also in the Now) as their minds have evolved enough to be able to perceive it. It isn't possible to do anything in the past or future, by definition.

Hope that wasn't too confusing It's a tough paradigm shift. I can only understand it intellectually at best, so hard to live it as Eckhart Tolle repeatedly suggests

That is the perfect explaination for deja vu. I use to experience it often, but not so much now, but the other day I had a massive 30 second moment (30 seconds is a long time when you're watching in awe/horror) of everything playing out exactly as I had seen it better, it wasn't familiar, it was extremely perfect.

That is why there is only this moment and there is no shift of time. It's an illusion for us to experience growth I suppose. Most people don't need to know or want to know about these things, but us PD seekers know better

HTH

Jeff

[starlet]

All I can say, judge45, is that is exactly how I view the world. I just never said it with such eloquence

[placebo]

I believe that there's no time. That is a human cration to decide what happend before and what happend after some point. First they noticed that sun is showing up in same intervals, and then decided to count that intervals. With counting days people noticed that summer and winter are also coming up in intervals. So, step by step they've created a measure for changes in nature around them.

There's no time, there are just events that happened before or after some other event also called "Now".

[judge45]

You don't exist yesterday or tomorrow, you only ever seem to be truly alive in the moment or at least during the day broken by sleep. You slept last night, you'll sleep tonight, in between you have a sensational of ever present awareness, so that's really when everything exists.

The past has some relevance to you, because you can remember (thought) some of it at random. The future you can only guess at or dream of or imagine what it may be like (thought again) but you only ever think of any of that while in the ever present awareness.

While it seems that time is moving (you grow, change, things change) you are really only ever existing in this moment and true self (not your body/mind/physical goo) never changes. You are timeless and forever. Time, the passage of time, time actually moving around you is an illusion created by God/true self/universe/whatever to represent growth and change in physical reality.

Past/present/future all exist within the same window of ever present awareness.

HTH

Jeff

[Michael Chui]

I'd be impressed if you could explain the concept without using words that imply the passage of time.

[judge45]

Everything is happening in this moment including the past and future. Past exists when you think of it in the present moment, no other time, same with future. If you couldn't notice the day move to night (an illusion) or you changing, growing older (another illusion) then you'd see that you are in a stable unchanging momnent.

You don't move to a future event or reach a goal, you actually manifest it instantly in the moment. It's the delusion of time that tricks you into thinking that you've changed something. This is why it's so important to understand that true self is constant consciousness, the illusions (mind/body/time) are just that, illusions.

See, I explained it without using that phrase does that help.

Jeff

[Mark Lapierre]

These words/phrases all imply the passage of time: past, future, day, night, growing older, changed.

But I'm just being picky.

From what I understand of what we're talking about, the belief is that all that exists is Consciousness (God/Source/whatever). All that we perceive as reality (objective or subjective), including the concepts of time and space, are part of this Consciousness but have no reality of their own. Hence, illusion.