Help me understand!

[Lisa777]

I was reading (again) about Subjective Reality

"Who are you?

I am a manifestation of your thoughts. You believe I exist; therefore, I exist. My existence will be subject to your expectations. If you believe I can be helpful to you, then I will be helpful. If you believe I am misguided, then that will be your experience of me."

Okay if there is someone that is a manifestation of my thoughts that I no longer want to experience how can I make them go away?? I want them to go away.


Then this:


"But what if you believe you can fly, but I’m certain you can’t, and you go jump off a tall building and try to fly"

Okay so let me get this straight....since "I" am the thinker here....in both situations the flying isn't gonna happen?? What if we both think you can fly?

I really want some things in my life and I want them soon..so please tell me how I can CONTROL "my" world..thats what I really want is CONTROL over what happens in my life...IS THIS POSSIBLE??????? Is this what this subjective reality or even the law of attraction is trying to say or am I just not getting this stuff at all?? I first learned about the law of attraction 7 years ago..

I get really stumped when the subconscious stuff is mentioned..because the subconcious doesn't seem controllable......What is up!!!??? Thanks!

Also are there any good books out there on Subjective REality??

[absvan]

Originally Posted by Lisa777

Also are there any good books out there on Subjective REality??

I am that", which is a collection of converstions with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, and "Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi".

I just brought them online. I should get it sometime this week. I have heard they are good books.

[ethereal]

Those are good books, absvan, but might be a little tough to understand. Very confusing stuff unless you have had some personal experience with Subjective Reality and/or exploring your own consciousness. Even so, it is worth working through

The "you" that you think you are, isn't really you. "You" isn't referring to a singular body-mind-soul named Lisa777. It is referring to the all-pervading, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipowerful feeling-thought of "I", the sureness and awareness of your own existence, that can be separated from your specific body-mind. For example, in your past lives (if you try past-life regression) you have had different bodies, different memories, different minds, altogether a different person -- but you had the same awareness of "I".

What Steve is saying, is that "I" created the whole universe, including what you currently believe to be your body-mind-soul. Your body-mind is actually a property of nature and the universe, and is different from the larger "I" that actually gives you awareness.

However, within this Subjective Reality paradigm, is the corollary of the Law of Attraction, which states that what you focus your mind upon tends to manifest. As individual body-mind projections of consciousness, we have the same powers of creation as Universal Consciousness does, albeit to a lesser degree. And paradoxically, the thought of wanting control tends to drive it away from you, because the thought of "i want control over my life" means that you currently don't have control over it, so it will manifest the latter instead. The fastest way to gain control over anything is to release the desire to control -- you'll often find that it doesn't bother you anymore, whether you have control of it or not. And usually, control will then come to you unasked.

[Lisa777]

"i want control over my life" means that you currently don't have control over it, so it will manifest the latter instead. The fastest way to gain control over anything is to release the desire to control -- you'll often find that it doesn't bother you anymore, whether you have control of it or not. And usually, control will then come to you unasked.[/quote]


I understand the wanting of course keeps you "wanting" You really gotta be on your toes eh????

[judge45]

If you want someone to go away, then that's easy, just ask then to leave. If that doesn't work, then you leave. If it's really 'not that simple' then make it simple.

You say "What if we both think you can fly" There is no both, it's just you. What you think is true. This is an important part of SR......You cannot deny what you're already gettting and/or believe. Beliefs are your foundation of being real, they are fundamental.

The flying example is too extreme, because it means you have to defy a very powerful belief, that flying is impossible.

If I was you (technically I am ) I would stop focusing on wanting total control right now, forget about breaking the laws of reality and focus on things that you can change right now.

Write a list of everything that you want to change (including be able to fly, if that's important) and prioritise it, putting the can do stuff at the top and the hard stuff down the bottom.

SR is a cool way to realise you're true power, but it's an extreme way of enlightenment.

HTH

Jeff

[judge45]

Originally Posted by Lisa777

"i want control over my life" means that you currently don't have control over it, so it will manifest the latter instead. The fastest way to gain control over anything is to release the desire to control -- you'll often find that it doesn't bother you anymore, whether you have control of it or not. And usually, control will then come to you unasked.

Release the desire to control?? Sorry that's not right. Desire is important, it's desperate attachment that stangles flow. Desire is paramount.

Control comes to you unasked??? Nope, wrong again, that's saying that something outside of you is in control.

Giving up control and not having desire are both fear of control and desire. You're afraid you are really in control, but fear that power. As Steve says, you can give up control, but never give up responsibility.

You must desire and you do control all the time, to say otherwise means you believe in something greater than you that has control and that means you ultimately have no control.

That's why they invented religion, to control people who didn't understand their own power or knew they had it but were afraid of it.

HTH

Jeff

[ethereal]

I'm not sure desire actually helps anything. I think holding something in mind will tend to make it manifest (through some complicated quantum-mechanical thought-form condensing process that I have no clue how it works), but desire seems to me to just push it away. LOA suggests that you must act as if you already have what you want. Why would you desire anything if you already have it? Being grateful for it seems good, but desire... ehhh

Releasing control seems to me to be the ultimate form of control, the control of non-control If you have no need to control anything, then it's equivalent to you being in control of everything.

This is coming from my heavily biased Buddhist leanings, so bear with me

[Lisa777]

based on what I feel or think about people, if I don't like something about them..I can change it...for instance if they bug me or irritate me..I can change that by not paying attention to what bugs me about them..
They are really an extension of me...So do I have to find what bugs me or irritates me about me and not focus on it or make a change to that certain thing?

[judge45]

I think you're confusing desire and attachment. Desire is the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state, so a desire is to change something you're not satisfied with. Attachment is different. You're right about LoA, you must believe you already have it, but you can't deny what you've already got which is the unsatisfied state.

Releasing control seems to me to be the ultimate form of control, the control of non-control If you have no need to control anything, then it's equivalent to you being in control of everything.

Not ony is that a complete contradiction in terms, but it's plain nonsense unless of course you're referring to a belief in God or higher being outside of you, where everything is negated because when something goes your way, you haada part in it, but when things don't work out, it's the higher plan in charge.

That's a religious cop out based on fear

This is coming from my heavily biased Buddhist leanings, so bear with me

Now I know why you seem to contradict yourself. Hokey religions and ancient ramblings are no substitue for a good blaster (Han Solo)

[Lisa777]

Detachment is key then..to what a person desires.