If any one has questions on the awakening process

[Boddhi]

Hello everyone my name is Boddhi, this is not my birth name but i have no real connection to the one that was given to me.
A little about myself, i was brought up in a religious Jewish household. For as long as i can remember, or even care to i was miserable. So i went to drugs and alchohol....didnt make me happy. Made a lot of money.....not happy. Had girlfriends.....not happy so on so forth for years. when i started meditating something clicked and since then i have been jumping religions. For a year here i was a buddhist hardcore. for a year here i was really into Judiasm, and the more and more i learned about the worldly medidations and applied them to my life, and learned from masters from every religion it was becoming me. When i then at the end of my search got into Taoism and Tantra (Shivas 112 medidations forms) something clicked....i thought i died....and in a way i did. its been three months now and all ive been doing including now as im writing this is teaching others to unerstand that its not as hard as it seems, and there is nothing to be scared about. I have more students than i thought possible and growing. i dont charge money im not interested. If anyone has any questions or just want to talk it out ill be here(or if u want to get smart It is everywhere and always here lol) enjoy and have a good night sleep. PEACE AND LOVE

[wstein]

I am curious if you feel there is a relation between awakening and (default not just momentary) inner silence?

[Boddhi]

Can you elaborate, maybe make it more simple of a question. thanks

[Boddhi]

In my experience and this is just me, inner silence is the beggining of the awakening process. For me it took around two months until i was in a state of happines and ease. when the inner silence hit i was so off guard, i didnt understand what was going on. no one can prepare u for that experience. it has to be lived. so through living it and learning about myself and the witness behing the eyes, and reading book after book on masters of the past, i came to a spot where i stopped. Now i read for enjoyment purposes only, talk to people for enjoyment only and to guide. It is a sense of aloneness and at the same time contentment, and feeling part of the whole. I hope this answered your question my friend, i look forward to our next conversation. Peace and love.

[LittleDeer]

Hello Boddhi,

Now you have connected with the silence, the stillness and ultimately the source of all things, there are (at least to my knowledge) two further things to do.

If you have reached this level and have experienced enlightenment - this is the beginning. Firstly, one must work to connect with the silence, the stillness in all parts of the day, so that it is expressed in all you think, in how you respond and in your actions. Then people may begin to see something of you, the appearance of the buddha nature.

Secondly, when you feel connected to this source, as odd as it may sound you can ask it questions and you will get answers. Very often they are answers that you will never have considered. Letting this innate wisdom express itself through you can have a major impact on your life. When it does so, you will realise you are not infact making decisions any longer as you are following the natural way. Decisions only occur when you are unsure and to be uncertain means a lack of connection with IT.

For instance, you may physically be guided to a place but there are two doors you can access - connect with the silence and 'feel' which door is correct. When you go there, 'feel' if your body is going with or against the flow. If it is against, turn around and go the way that feels correct. It works and is incredible; a true miracle.

If you have a deep seated issue that is troubling you, again, settle yourself and let the calmness of IT become more clear to you. Then ask "What would YOU have me do?". I realise this is a little like a Christian talking to God - perhaps what we hear through moments of such clarity is the One Voice central to all religions. Whether you call that a God or a part of you - you are probably right either way but when you do it, what it is won't matter, how it helps you will. Ask questions and expect answers and they will come. It comes to you differently than a voice in your head, it expresses itself throughout you - then you will know this the correct voice.

Hope you are already there and passed this point - so you can advise me further lol!

Peace and stillness my friend.

Originally Posted by Boddhi

In my experience and this is just me, inner silence is the beggining of the awakening process. For me it took around two months until i was in a state of happines and ease. when the inner silence hit i was so off guard, i didnt understand what was going on. no one can prepare u for that experience. it has to be lived. so through living it and learning about myself and the witness behing the eyes, and reading book after book on masters of the past, i came to a spot where i stopped. Now i read for enjoyment purposes only, talk to people for enjoyment only and to guide. It is a sense of aloneness and at the same time contentment, and feeling part of the whole. I hope this answered your question my friend, i look forward to our next conversation. Peace and love.

[Boddhi]

Thank you for the response, very cool stuff it looks like you know what your talking about. Yes i have experienced those things in different words, and if you have any questions, and i mean any just ask and i will do my best to answer. Have a good day. I look forward to our next conversation.

[Placebo23]

@ Boddhi

Thank you for your thread here.
I have many questions but I'm not sure which one I should ask first.
I have so much money, I had so much girlfriends and I have a good job but nothing of this is satisfying me... My ego wants always more and in nothing of it I can find real satisfaction.

For example I used to get very much girlfriends and in every new one I think "oh it will be a new experience" but then I realize that it doesn't make me more whole then any other thing. The opposite is covering up: The more I try to make me whole through new things and relationships the more I got depressed because it is again something that won't make me whole.

Can you help me ? How can I achieve this state of pure awareness and peace ?


Thank you

[nicbrahms]

I have a problem with the awakening process, I find it quite difficult.

Sometimes, before I would awaken and be up in an instant and get on with things, however, lately I am finding it hard to get outta bed. I just wanna be left with my thoughts, I can stay in bed for ages sometimes, until afternoon time.

So what can I do to awaken quicker and more refreshed and more wanting to get outta bed and get on with things? Also to keep my vibration high.

Peace

[Lucky Balaraman]

Little Deer:

What you are saying about asking the silence questions is good, provided you remember to be mindful of the questions and be a silent witness to them.

[xermes]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

I have a problem with the awakening process, I find it quite difficult.

Sometimes, before I would awaken and be up in an instant and get on with things, however, lately I am finding it hard to get outta bed. I just wanna be left with my thoughts, I can stay in bed for ages sometimes, until afternoon time.

So what can I do to awaken quicker and more refreshed and more wanting to get outta bed and get on with things? Also to keep my vibration high.

Peace

Relax your neck muscles around your spine, on the sides and inside the skull. Inside the skull, relax the area that connects your spine with brain. Relax the whenever you notice any tension. I am dead serious about this. Try it and you will notice the change instantly..if you continue for couple of days..you will notice even more changes.
Constant stress thought your brain to contract these muscles all the time, preventing proper blood flow into the back of your head.

If you are feeling uncomfortable or anxious, this can help.

[Boddhi]

hey guys this is for both of you, u might like what i have to say. there is a story of alexander the great that i would like to share. on his way to conquering the world alexander the great became enchanted with a man lying naked by a stream. he asked the man how he can just relax and yet be full of grace, and contentment. the man said just stop what you are doing lay down, the stream is big enough for your whole army, enjoy doing nothing. alexander replied i cant, maybe when i have conquered the world i will come back and follow your instruction. alexander for quite sometime was very much disturbed and depressed for days and days after.....a man with everything has nothing....a man with nothing truly has everything.
plecebo your ego is being fed constantly if you keep on moving outwards, trying to conquer this and that but in the end of the day with all that stuff that you have u dont feel as if you have enough, that is why kings throughout time have been jelous of the poor mystics. to conquer is the masculine, to go inwards and stop what you are doing and just enjoy the show is feminine. it is good to have a balance.
nicbrahm dont worry about spending time in bed, my favorite place is the bed, for years i spent meditating on my back because its comfortable, its kind of like a womb. what i want to tell you is use the time that you have in bed as a place to grow imagine its a womb and you are growing. this is an old tantric method, focus your eyes on a spot on the ceiling and look at it. make believe your eyes have turned into stones and they cannot move, no REM(rapid eye movement) just focus on the spot. while you are doing that dont move a muscle in your whole body ,Stone being is what you will become. there was a mystic of this century that became enlightened at age 15 through this method. it takes practice dont worry. have fun with it. trust me before you know it you will get out of bed, but only when you want to......... I made up this line awhile back, IF YOU GOT NOWHERE TO GO...YOUR ALREADY THERE lol. have a good time with it and i hope this answer was sufficient. Peace and love guys i look forward to our next conversation.

[Placebo23]

So you mean I have to do inwards, letting go of everything and just being the witness of the thoughts and the feeling of "I am" and don't judge them ?

And so inner stillness and peace will come up automatically ?

[Boddhi]

Inner peace and stillnes and all the joy that comes with it, you already have it. It is like a geyser is in you and there is a rock ontop of it. Through going inwards by and by u will knock the rock off the geyser, and my man it will flow so much that you will not be able to contain it. hahah i can tell that im talking to a potential realized Buddha.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by xermes

Relax your neck muscles around your spine, on the sides and inside the skull. Inside the skull, relax the area that connects your spine with brain. Relax the whenever you notice any tension. I am dead serious about this. Try it and you will notice the change instantly..if you continue for couple of days..you will notice even more changes.
Constant stress thought your brain to contract these muscles all the time, preventing proper blood flow into the back of your head.

If you are feeling uncomfortable or anxious, this can help.

Thank you I will do this.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by Boddhi

hey guys this is for both of you, u might like what i have to say. there is a story of alexander the great that i would like to share. on his way to conquering the world alexander the great became enchanted with a man lying naked by a stream. he asked the man how he can just relax and yet be full of grace, and contentment. the man said just stop what you are doing lay down, the stream is big enough for your whole army, enjoy doing nothing. alexander replied i cant, maybe when i have conquered the world i will come back and follow your instruction. alexander for quite sometime was very much disturbed and depressed for days and days after.....a man with everything has nothing....a man with nothing truly has everything.
plecebo your ego is being fed constantly if you keep on moving outwards, trying to conquer this and that but in the end of the day with all that stuff that you have u dont feel as if you have enough, that is why kings throughout time have been jelous of the poor mystics. to conquer is the masculine, to go inwards and stop what you are doing and just enjoy the show is feminine. it is good to have a balance.
nicbrahm dont worry about spending time in bed, my favorite place is the bed, for years i spent meditating on my back because its comfortable, its kind of like a womb. what i want to tell you is use the time that you have in bed as a place to grow imagine its a womb and you are growing. this is an old tantric method, focus your eyes on a spot on the ceiling and look at it. make believe your eyes have turned into stones and they cannot move, no REM(rapid eye movement) just focus on the spot. while you are doing that dont move a muscle in your whole body ,Stone being is what you will become. there was a mystic of this century that became enlightened at age 15 through this method. it takes practice dont worry. have fun with it. trust me before you know it you will get out of bed, but only when you want to......... I made up this line awhile back, IF YOU GOT NOWHERE TO GO...YOUR ALREADY THERE lol. have a good time with it and i hope this answer was sufficient. Peace and love guys i look forward to our next conversation.

Thank you, I like that tantric excersize, I will do it.

Can I also ask, how do you reconcile letting things go that are in the physical world. Especially things involving other people?

I mean absolutely letting go like the man by the stream?

I am in that place now but somehow my ego keeps drawing me back into caring, and I know its illusion and it doesn't matter, as long as i continue in unconditional love and acceptance I know it will be fine.

Help me to get perspective on the entire zen thing, not allowing things to effect my consciousness.

Thank you in advance for your help.

[Boddhi]

nicbrahms i would love it if you can read this book on zen and tell me about it when you are done. I scanned it through and it looks awsome, its from my favorite author. you will love it im sure of it i am sure many of your questions will be answered in it.http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Be...of_Nothing.pdf
peace and love

[wstein]

I am curious if you feel there is a relation between awakening and inner silence?

I know that those who seek either often reach both. It seems that though they often are found together in an individual, they might be independent. Also in terms of instructing others, it's helpful to know if there is a relationship.

Are they parts of the same whole?
Does one cause the other?
Is one required to reach the other?

P.S. If you could please define the term 'awakening' as you are using it.

[LittleDeer]

Hi Placebo23, the letting go of things as you say, is a natural response to the inner stillness and peace not the other way around. You cannot intellectually let go of things, you have to 'feel' IT - which comes from being serene and settled. Also there isn't really a looking inwards - just sit, or stand and relax (but not in the sense of falling asleep relaxing). The quieter and more settled you are the more sensitive you can become to being aware of your true nature - which comes naturally (often felt in the chest area first) and not intellectually.

NicBrahms, I guess the above also applies to you. If our state of peace comes from within us and not outside of us i.e. friends, environment and objects we become very stable and deeply rooted. This comes from practising the above (at least to begin with). The letting go of things and the greater sense of peace comes from you finding time in your day to be still. Only when you do this and feel your true nature which expresses itself to you when you give yourself chance to sense it (this may take weeks, months or years depending on your efforts), what you then feel is also the true nature of everything.

You cannot let go until you experience this for yourself, otherwise your letting go will be a source of conflict - your heart will be bothered by things, your state of peace rocked by others and your head will be saying "hey hun, you shouldn't be feeling this way." Be quiet and still and give yourself the opportunity to see and just trust it will happen - it is natural not intellectual, so if you do enough of it, you will connect with it at some point. Then in letting this connection mature in you will see it in all things - suddenly you become less affected by the 'outside' world in your heart not your head - then you begin to let go (like the man by the stream ;o)).

wstein, although Boddhi will have his own comments...you say, "I am curious if you feel there is a relation between awakening and inner silence?" - if this understanding is correct you should be able to say that sentence without any duality. The awakening and the inner silence are not separate and do not come from a separate thing - they are in fact that 'thing'. However, if you have not experienced it you are unlikely to connect with it unless you are silent and still (so you can sense it and become aware of it) - this is not enlightenment but just an awareness of your true self.

But actually, enlightenment is not a separate thing either - all these 'labels' describe the same 'thing' for instance - think of the earth as having nothing but water - so you see ocean, cloud and rain - but you know it is all water. So why even bother calling it water? "Not one, not two" the Zen Masters used to say.

As Thich Nhat Hanh has written on a calligraphy; "BE STILL AND KNOW", that's all you need to do.

Easy huh lol!

[LittleDeer]

Originally Posted by Lucky Balaraman

Little Deer:

What you are saying about asking the silence questions is good, provided you remember to be mindful of the questions and be a silent witness to them.

agreed

[Boddhi]

i can yak on and on about a lot on stillness and awakening, but i wont because words cant express what i want to express. these are just labels for a feeling that has no words. maybe this will clear a thing up. its a state of being where one forgets or knows that one does not exist. maybe this will muddle things up a bit but that is all that i want to say. if this rings true to you then there is no reason to ask questions if you already know the answer. if you have no more questions then help others that truly do. dont challenge others let others challenge you. give then a smile and help them. thanks everyone for the cool conversation. peace and love.

[Placebo23]

Boddhi,

its a state of being where one forgets or knows that one does not exist

Could you elaborate this sentence ? For me this is not logic. How do I forget that I didn't exist even if I know that the "I am" is the ever existing, which is the only thing that is permanent and will survive death.

Thank you

[Boddhi]

a litlle while ago i was sitting with a friend, and he was talking/complaining about life. while i knew that my body was sitting there with him, it was as if i wasnt. it felt as if he was talking to himself, and i was in his head. its a realization that you are not the body, that the you iare not mind, not the body, not the subconscious, conscious. it is the essence that cannot die, i dont know what it is, the best way to define it is the witness behind the eyes. many enlightened mystics have said that it is god. i dont know what it is, and to be honest im not interested in finding out. thanks for the question, i hope this cleared things up alittle bit. but my friend why are u so interested in this topic. if you have one eye on the destination and one eye on the way your half blind. the who way to achieve this state of mind is to not think about it. let it come on its own accord. travel inwards and you will find all the answers yourself. find new forms of meditations and travel inside. thanks again i will do my best to answer any future questions. peace and love.

[Placebo23]

boddhi my friend.

Perhaps I'm too impatient. It was always a struggle for me to let go of things in my life, let it easy happen on its own was a no go for me. My ego is so strong, it will control everything. I find it really hard to just witness the "I am", the present moment, my ego tries everything to pull me out of the present moment and then I'm identifying me with my ego again.

I know that I can't force the awakening.

[Boddhi]

this is a great book with many different forms of meditations, it explains each one. read and practice each one.dont worry.http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Be...a_Volume_1.pdf

[BillyTheAdult]

People come here all time (I can't even tell you how much) and say they are enlightened. They are usually vilified. I like how everyone seems to be taking you seriously and giving you respect.

What do you do for work? Do you work? How do you keep from freaking out and turning back at the last second when you feel yourself starting to "cross over?" If you reject this sort of invitation too many times will they stop? I live in a fairly deep (more than average) meditative state pretty much all the time and have often thought of going for enlightenment this lifetime. I am 29 and live with my parents, I have not had a real relationship since i was in my late teens. I would like to have one good relationship and become self sufficient before I try, do you think this is reasonable? or if I am already at a place where I could probably crossover should I now and not waste time?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by BillyTheAdult

People come here all time (I can't even tell you how much) and say they are enlightened. They are usually vilified. I like how everyone seems to be taking you seriously and giving you respect.

What do you do for work? Do you work? How do you keep from freaking out and turning back at the last second when you feel yourself starting to "cross over?" If you reject this sort of invitation too many times will they stop? I live in a fairly deep (more than average) meditative state pretty much all the time and have often thought of going for enlightenment this lifetime. I am 29 and live with my parents, I have not had a real relationship since i was in my late teens. I would like to have one good relationship and become self sufficient before I try, do you think this is reasonable? or if I am already at a place where I could probably crossover should I now and not waste time?

Isn't waking up from the dream something the dreamer does not do? If you crossover and have thought you put yourself there somehow, then you have just dreamed being awake. which is a maya experience.

The awake perspective has no self (or ONE self) to desire being awake.

The dreamer's perspective doesn't desire no self. do you? do you desire enlightenment of no/ONE self?

[wstein]

Boddhi, please give YOUR (not some else's) definitions of 'awakening' and 'enlightenment'. I know words are not fully adequate to the task, but give it your best shot.

[Boddhi]

Billytheadult thanks for writing, I am 22 years of age, I currently teach meditation to around 30 people. I do not get paid for it, sometime they give gifts, some of costing much money. I have started writing a book on meditation and the rest of the time I enjoy the company of others and self. I wasn’t scared to crossover, I didn’t even ask for it. I read from a master of old a perspective on time and it just happened. Much joy has been had since that moment. I do not believe it is a conscious decision on ones part to become enlightened. You are enlightened already, a Buddha not fully realized. A moment will come and just wake u up to this fact. I hope this answer was sufficient for you. Namaste my friend.

[Boddhi]

That is a tough question….to explain those in my own personal words. Jesus said something along the lines of “be a light unto oneself”. Enlightenment is when you do not rely on anyone else anymore. A sense of aloneness. Where future does not exist anymore and past is a memory not to be relived. It is a sense of calmness and ease. In my opinion it is like a candle has been lit inside, and the presence of that lit candle will light others. Awakening is an end to dreams. No dreaming of fantastic or horrible things for the future. When u are aware of the now at all time…..it is difficult to say these in my own words because nothing I am saying is new. I feel as if I am just regurgitating words of the masters that have experienced this…..i hope that what I said is cool, I know u are curious, but if you want to know more here is a link from an old master. Osho on Enlightenment Chikanzenji Enlightenment, Enlightenment is disappearance of hope

Have a good night, Peace.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Boddhi

That is a tough question….to explain those in my own personal words. Jesus said something along the lines of “be a light unto oneself”. Enlightenment is when you do not rely on anyone else anymore. A sense of aloneness. Where future does not exist anymore and past is a memory not to be relived. It is a sense of calmness and ease. In my opinion it is like a candle has been lit inside, and the presence of that lit candle will light others. Awakening is an end to dreams. No dreaming of fantastic or horrible things for the future. When u are aware of the now at all time…..

Wow, that's me.