subjective reality

[SecretSeven]

Steve said:

There can only be one subjective reality. There are no other people “out there” having their own subjective experiences. There is only you. And your subjective reality is the only one there is.

What did he mean by this??? I'm a little confused lol. Thanks, I'm looking forward to your response!

[Rocket Surgery]

Originally Posted by SecretSeven

Steve said:

There can only be one subjective reality. There are no other people “out there” having their own subjective experiences. There is only you. And your subjective reality is the only one there is.

What did he mean by this??? I'm a little confused lol. Thanks, I'm looking forward to your response!

Hi, SecretSeven:

Thought I'd chime in here since your post hasn't yet been responded to...

As I interpret Steve's concept, we are all projections of the One Cosmic Consciousness, which is YOU. Of course, I have trouble with this because I do not feel like a projection. I feel that he's talking to ME, and that YOU and everyone else are projections of MY consciousness.

Obviously, there are flaws with this model of SR. It suggests that I, and only I, am "self-aware," and the rest of you are all automatons, flickering in and out of existence as constructs of my mind in order to preserve this illusion of The Life and Times of Rocket Surgery in the SpaceTime Universe!

However, understanding that Steve is an unusually brilliant individual, I'm not surprised that his mind is wired in such a way as to actually justify his own personal existence as a projection of MINE.

For poops and giggles, I conceived of a theory that just might allow for Steve's concept to be "truth" of a sort, while at the same time not relegate all other persons into the role of Projections of My Own Consciousness.

First of all, one must, at least for argument's sake, accept the concept that there is indeed only One Universal Consciousness. I'll call that person the OUC, and unlike The O.C., the OUC can never be cancelled.

Now, under that premise, ALL human beings are basically "projections of the OUC." So, where is this OUC? Well, the OUC is, in fact, YOU. You, SecretSeven, are the one and only OUC, and the rest of us are ALSO YOU, but -- and here's the kicker -- not the CURRENT you.

For this to make sense, one must also release one's mind from the limitations of SpaceTime. In effect, the OUC is a TIME TRAVELER, with the ability to incarnate from one body/lifetime/meat suit to the next, ANYWHERE on the SpaceTime linear timeline.

Every human being/spirit/soul (plants, animals, rocks, etc. as well, but that's another story) has a UNIQUE slot on a linear timeline that resides OUTSIDE of the physical universe SpaceTime timeline. That timeline represents the LINEAR spiritual growth and evolution of YOU, the OUC.

When you meet someone who seems to be very close to where you are in beliefs, enlightenment, and spiritual maturity, you are basically MEETING YOURSELF, only at a place on the OUC's timeline relatively close, past or future, to where you currently reside. Is this making any sense?

Of course, because of Illusions of Separation and self-imposed veil of memory, you do not remember your past self, or she you, if that is the case.
So, from your SUBJECTIVE point of view, YOU indeed ARE the one and only CURRENT consciousness of all those you perceive around you. They are also you, and very much ALSO the only current consciousness in existence. However, from where you stand, they are either YOU experiencing a past life, or YOU experiencing a life that YOU have not yet experienced.

In other words, "past lives" from YOUR perspective, can exist in any place on the physical timeline, past, present, or future. The same goes for lifetimes that you have yet to reincarnate into.

A simple example is to think of anyone you know who you are clearly more evolved and enlightened than. Don't bring age into the equation. If you're even a little enlightened, you know you've met some children that are clearly "wise beyond their years." So when you settle on such a person, now try to see through their "skin" to the person inside, and realize that that person is actually YOU, only many lifetimes of experience in your past.

Conversely, think of someone you know that you admire and clearly see as MORE enlightened and MORE evolved than yourself. Then try to imagine that this person is also YOU, only many lifetimes in your personal future, and they have traveled into the past to share the same events in Earth's history with you.

Everybody you know is basically YOU living out one of your past or future lifetimes. But because the OUC is not limited by SpaceTime, you can seemingly occupy several billion meat suits concurrently.

So, what the message in such a concept? The obvious one is to try to have loving allowance for everyone everywhere, for basically, they are either your past or future selves, trying to navigate the human experience one lifetime... at a time.

It also means that some day, each one of us will live the lifetime of Jesus, of Buddha, of Gandhi and Mother Theresa. That's good news! Even better news is that most of us have already lived the life of Jeffrey Dahmer, Attilla the Hun and Hitler, and have thankfully evolved way past such behavior.

Anyway, I'm not saying I believe this concept of existence. It's just what I came up with to solve the paradox of what Steve was suggesting. Kind of interesting, though, if we do say so ourselves.

~ RS

[mysterygal]

LOL, I love that response. I don't know if I believe it either, but it's sort of like reincarnation. Steve is really brilliant, but I see so many inconsistencies in his ideas. I hope one of us stumbles upon the truth soon, cuz the suspense is killing me!

[Rocket Surgery]

Originally Posted by mysterygal

LOL, I love that response. I don't know if I believe it either, but it's sort of like reincarnation. Steve is really brilliant, but I see so many inconsistencies in his ideas. I hope one of us stumbles upon the truth soon, cuz the suspense is killing me!

Don't be too hard on Steve. After all, he's only a few lifetimes in my past.

And the concept isn't "sort of like reincarnation." It IS reincarnation. The only difference
from the usual theories of reincarnation is that only one soul is reincarnating -- that of the OUC... or YOU.

It only APPEARS to the individual ego that the One is Many because the One is free of SpaceTime limitations and is able to incarnate into billions of human bodies, which from our perspective, are occupying the same space and time. But from the perspective of the OUC, which is always the Now, the Present, you are living these lifetimes CONSECUTIVELY. From the SpaceTime perspective of the waking ego, CONCURRENTLY.

But again, just a theory at this point. Perhaps a future belief system. Time will tell!

~ RS

[Pegasus]

Thank you for the explanation, RS. The space-time perception helped.

SecretSeven, I was reading at least a page of the other recent thread about this topic, and it seemed to me as if you were asking what the relations of our selves (all people) were to each other? In other words, are all our subjective realities in parallel universes or do the "characters" intersect as in a Dickens novel? I liked the tree metaphor, that the only real consciousness is the tree itself (or the trunk) and that we are all separate leaves.

I've read books by Deepak Chopra, who claims that the Universe is constantly creating and it does so through us. So when a couple conceives a child, the Universe wanted "to play." Makes one wonder about being made in the image of God...