The Avatar & Subjective Reality

[NightOwlNation]

I've been searching out additional resource information about subjective reality and have found some interesting web pages out there on the topic. Here is one I find to be most interesting:

Objective & Subjective - by Harry Palmer

It starts out like this:

"Objective and Subjective. Let's talk about these two concepts philosophically, and then see what application they have to your life.

In an effort to categorize realities, somebody came up with the concepts of objective and subjective. Objective refers to a reality that is outside your mind, and subjective refers to the inner reality of your mind. For example, a chair in the middle of the room is outside your mind, right? So it is objective reality. You think the chair is beautiful. That thought, "beautiful chair" is inside your mind. It is a subjective reality. No problems yet...."



I found it helpful to understand more about the meaning and feeling of living from the subjective reality perspective. Combines well with Steve Pavlina's approach.

[judge45]

This is really interesting as it flows down the path of the who or what we really are.

He talks about removing labels from everything and importantly removing the label of us or the individual.

True self can't be this body or even this mind. True self even goes beyond thought for thought is also a manifestation of self.

It's what is providing the thought. Some say God or universe, but (for me) that's giving up responsibility. Self is the creator, self is me, self creates this avatar (my physical representation) self provides the thoughts.

Kooky

Jeff

[DoAnyOfYouExist]

Originally Posted by NightOwlNation

For example, a chair in the middle of the room is outside your mind, right? So it is objective reality. You think the chair is beautiful. That thought, "beautiful chair" is inside your mind. It is a subjective reality. No problems yet...."

Funny thing is the chair YOU see is subjective...your mind creates that image of that chair for you...wether or not you believe that the chair truly exists or is just a creation of your mind still makes no difference to the fact that the chair you see is in your head, kinda trippy to think about, everything you have ever seen, heard, touched, tasted, smelt, was subjective...all input filtered by the brain...thus all subjective.

[Glorymist]

The way I have always accepted it to be - - is that "objective" was external to Self - - from whatever facet of Self you are viewing at the time - - such as physically external, emotionally external, or mentally external. Soul - - as I believe - - is the actual Self - - so the three above facets are "external / objective to Soul. Yet Soul so considers Itself to be mind - - that It accepts it as such.

Subjective - - is your own personal viewpoint. Your perception of it. Your interpretation of it. Whatever it may be. From whatever level that may be.

DoAnyOfYou is right. Mind interprets and accepts the object to be a chair because the atoms that compose it are vibrating at the rate that it "forms" a chair in our physical sight - - just as we see the sky as blue but it is not really blue since there is no "color" to the atmosphere - - but our eyesight interprets it as blue.

AACCKK ! ! I think I just confused myself ! ! Anyway - - this might stir up the conversation.

[ethereal]

Thanks for the link, I checked out the other pages on the site and it seems very interesting! As they say, it "resonates"

Do you have any other links to similar web sites, NightOwl?

[songwriter]

It gets to the point I use to think that there's no use of achieving things to be happy, is more a way of looking at the world. That's why I don't want to polarize, it could be useful for achieving external things but I'm not very interested in that. It's all inside of me. And inside of you.

[NightOwlNation]

Originally Posted by ethereal

Do you have any other links to similar web sites, NightOwl?

I'm still parousing the web for more info on this. I have found some other pages but want to read more of the various authors' work before suggesting them. But thanks for the inspiration. What I'll do is gather together some online subjective reality resources that seem to resonate and add them to the main links page on my website - which is itself a law of attraction site. Mostly resources for free LOA and LOA friendly info. I'll let you all know when it's done. Though if anyone wants to check out other SR resources for themselves just do a search on both the terms "subjective reality" and "objective reality," separately and also together.

[judge45]

That is incredibly powerful that my own self builds the reality physically instantly.

Jeff

[ethereal]

Poked around the site some more, and I found these free Avatar resources:

eLiving Deliberately
Avatar Mini-Courses

Interesting stuff

edit: on 2nd thought, also worth reading a criticism of Avatar:

Avatar - The Wiz of Orlando
Harry Palmer (Avatar) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Apparently, Avatar is just repackaged Scientology (minus the weirdness). Hmmmmm...!

Though I find it funny that the person writing the criticism is the same one who got sued by Harry for ripping off his work. Personal vendetta...?

Either way, all this feels a little too shady not sure if I buy this whole SR thing anymore...

[NightOwlNation]

Eeeks! Okay, here is goes....

It should probably be pointed out that Harry Palmer did not invent the notion of avatars. His Avatar® self-development system of courses is not the only concept or business out there of working with or from the perspective of an avatar. And avatars as 'more originally' referred to, have existed since the dawn of awareness - as very wise beings (often not earth bound or not limited to earth awareness only) that often go beyond the scope of human understanding (including mine!).

"avatar: decent of god to earth in bodily form." ~~~from the Oxford dictionary.

Just wanted to make sure the whole concept itself and as others use the term (like Steve Pavlina) is not confused with Scientology. There are also many various courses also called avatar or Avatar in one way or another. And some counseling systems called avatar that also have nothing to do with Scientology.

[ethereal]

Hehe, oops Sorry about any confusion I caused

Yes, the two terms are totally unrelated and in different contexts

[jhbuddha]

SR is a great topic and yet a confusing one. I understand and believe the theory, the confusing thing (for me) is that my subjective reality-me-has to live in this world with all of these other subjective manifestations.
My objective reality sees all of this and realizes that maintaining & understanding my connection with the ___ that I truly am is paramount and seemingly the true purpose of this human existence. That is to say not to fooled by all of the distractions that this physical existence promotes. This leads me to the mindset of " why bother" (the physical isn't real). The dicotemy I have a physical existence that I must live and must deal the the physical.

[NightOwlNation]

jhBuddah~

I get what you are saying. Including the why bother? part. I think some of us in the world are very sensitive to something being up-even if we are not sure what exactly. Thing is the experience is real - or is it better to say valid?

Avatars, super-yogi's etc. - these types can see right through it all without effort - but personally, I'm not there yet and have to believe there is a reason.


"...my subjective reality-me-has to live in this world with all of these other subjective manifestations...."

Can we perceive it like this and still have it be subjective? The second we perceive it as separate ("...these other subjective manifestations...") it may instantly become an objective view for us.

Musing for my own clarity....

[SecretSeven]

In one of Steve's posts he said that my subjective reality and his could not mesh, because only I have a subjective reality. What I perceive as his subjective reality is merely a projection of my own thoughts......Did he just say that he doesn't have thoughts?? What did he mean by this?

Thanks!