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03-13-2007, 08:03 AM
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 |  Truth about 666, the beast and the seal of beast Peace to you! I've published the article: 666 This material makes understanding of Revelation more clear and will help to be saved for many many people and will help to avoid terrible plagues for many other people! You will not carry any responsibility for this link since this material was signed by me! But availability of this material is important for now as never before! Blessed be! Announce: At the age of thirteen I was thrown into another world by a fateful accident. Clinically pronounced dead, I returned from the afterlife with knowledge rarely glimpsed by the average person. This experience has defined my life as a person with each foot in a different world. Explaining the afterlife to those who have not had a near death experience requires breaking down the illusions that most people hold of what they call "reality". I hope that my experiences can enlighten others while allowing me to share my insights with my fellow humans. I have received the seal of the beast in afterlife world 20-22 years ago. Main information - the first who meets us in afterlife world is the BEAST which is described in Bible, but not God as many think! BEAST. This creature has size about 12 meters in height. This creature is able to stay on two legs and has very long tail (so it also 30 meters long including the tail). IMAGE OF BEAST is any creature who has seal of beast with spirit of beast inside and without man's status! MARK OF BEAST. After sealing up appears imprint! This imprint has name - mark. It looks like black tattoo which is putted on spirit (not on body) therefore can not be cutted out. It contains the head of dog with iron slam on head. SEAL OF BEAST. The beast has the seal. It is like iron seal on a long pole. Any host is able to mark by seal of beast. 666 is number of men who will be marked by beast but will be saved!!! (i.e. common number of saved from all who will be marked by beast). FOREHEAD whole forehead bone from brows up to top of head! The seal of beast is fatal when it putted on forehead or on any hand. NAME OF THE BEAST. The beast has name, same as any creature who was created by Creator. NUMBER OF NAME OF THE BEAST is number of people who will call themselves by name of the beast. I.e. 666 is number of people who will be saved from the lake of fire with seal of beast on any place. But the number of name of the beast is number of people who will call themselves same as the beast. HOST is creature (man or angel) who received the seal of beast!!! Host can to mark up anybody by the seal of beast! ROD OF IRON is spirit of beast which is inserted into us horizontally.  Last edited by nickols_k; 03-23-2007 at 09:17 AM. |
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03-13-2007, 07:25 PM
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ermmm.....*Snigger* forgive *snigger* me... Wait so your christian? Oh ok. I guess I need say little more. I am sorry but your concepts are ridiculous. I have visited this "After-life" when I was very young, 5 years old to be precise, it was for about three seconds but let me tell you, there is no "Beast" there to meet you. What you have seen was a faith induced dream caused by your beliefs instilled from a young age. I apologize for breaking down your beliefs but Christianty as it is today is a horrifc, warped, twisted fear-based religion. It has no real connection to the Christianity of old...but alas...if you wish to believe God spoke to you...then by all means. Believe. |
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03-13-2007, 07:31 PM
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as is your judgment of his experience -a "faith induced dream caused by your beliefs instilled from a young age" and if someone said that of your experience? | |
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03-13-2007, 07:35 PM
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If soeone said that of MY Experience I wouldtell them that I was raised Christian, and the last time I checked Astral Projection wasn't on their list of super-powers given by God. And I don't judge Chrstians like that. I judge individuals on what they say. WHat we have here is an intelligent forum and its people who say things like "The Beast" will get us, obviously have a problem. Now I am not saying freedom of speech shouldn't be allowed, I am say that people should use some discretion. AND so what if 1/6 of the planet follows it. That doesn't make it right. 100% of the planet used to the think the world was flat...I guess they where wrong weren't they. |
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03-13-2007, 08:04 PM
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03-13-2007, 08:17 PM
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Akashic... Is that the best way to treat someone? While I agree that some people have made a terrible name for Christianity, it isn't an excuse to jump to a judgment and insult a very eclectic group of people. From your perspective, Akashic, you do have a very valid point, but from my perspective, an attack on any religion, whether it be one I follow or not, is an attack on my personal spirituality. (For the record, no I do not currently follow Christianity.) I know that you don't mean to actually attack anyone's spiritual beliefs, least of all mine, but when simply rolling your eyes and not responding (so that the posts you don't like get buried under posts that you do like) is an acceptable response, stating that you know better, when you haven't experienced the same things as this other person, is probably not going to be taken in good humor and faith. Personally, I'm more curious to see what Nickols has to say than offended by what he is saying. I don't agree with it, but I'd like him to have a chance to make his point without feeling like he is being attacked. |
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03-19-2007, 10:51 AM
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Look, Mr Nickols. People on this discussion forum tend to be quite .... intuitive. And basically you don't smell right. Steve Pavlina smells right. Erin Pavlina, despite talking about all sorts of weird things, smells right too. But you don't smell right. Your vibes don't feel authentic and that's why nobody is interested in asking you any questions. Nothing to do with your grammar. |
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03-19-2007, 06:26 PM
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I believe you. But I won't meet any beast, because I will be evacuated before its arrival by Angels of the Light led by Ashtar Sheran!  (Or rather, there was time I believed so. But the diagram is nice anyway, isn't it?)  Last edited by rini17; 03-19-2007 at 06:30 PM. |
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03-20-2007, 08:04 AM
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03-20-2007, 05:35 PM
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Thats advertising and as far as I can tell you havn't brought anything useful or interesting to the table...in fact all you have managed to do is incense me and many other Forum members. Perhaps you should consider going to a different, perhaps more juvenile forum.
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03-20-2007, 07:19 PM
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Sorry, but I have to side with Akashic here. His post wasn't attacking Nickols, but attacking his beliefs. And since belief systems are completely subjective anyway, I feel that EVERYTHING should be open to debate. Part of debating is "attacking" the statements and claims made by the opponent, using words and logic, rather than violence, of course. Fundamentalist Christianity IS a fearmongering belief system. It utilizes TERROR tactics to try and motivate fearful minds into its churches. Today, many denominations of Christianity are rejecting the doctrine of Hell and eternal torture of the "unsaved," as archaic and backward beliefs, and instead focusing on the POSITIVE messages that Christ spoke about to his followers. Anyone whose faith cannot withstand a little criticism and/or ridicule, IMO, does not have much foundation in their belief, and I submit that it is fear, and only fear, that keeps them from rejecting these backward beliefs altogether. Surely, whatever "God" is, He/She/It MUST be MORE evolved a consciousness that myself. Therefore, I look at such concepts like a math equation. I know myself and I know in truth how evolved I am spiritually speaking. I KNOW to the core of my being that I am INCAPABLE of condemning EVEN ONE SOUL to eternal torture, pain, and suffering. EVEN THE WORST HUMAN imaginable, I could not bring myself to punish as the God of fundamentialist Christianity, Islam, and some other religions' gods so easily do so. And since any "old fashioned" God MUST be at least a hair more enlightened and evolved than myself, then it follows that the "angry, wrathful" god of the Bible and Q'uran CANNOT exist. It's simple and plain logic. Akashic has every right to question and attack ILLOGICAL belief systems, and even ridicule them, especially when they are responsible for so much negativity and bloodshed in this world. This so-called "unwritten rule" that one must not attack the beliefs/religions of others is, IMO, a recipe for theocracy, and invites more trouble for the world. What if the Nazis decide to make National Socialism a "religion." Well, we mustn't attack or criticize them, therefore their backward and racist ideas will be allowed to grow and flourish. I believe strongly in the individual's right in this country to worship OR NOT worship God or "whoever"... as they choose.... so long as said individual respects everyone else's right to disagree and worship OR NOT... otherwise. But that doesn't mean anyone should have the right to expect they can foist their bizarre concepts on society without being held up to public SCRUTINY... and they shouldn't be allowed to INDOCTRINATE innocent children's minds with all these fables either, ESPECIALLY when the fables are filled with terrifying images of torture and horror. Sorry, but I'll never stop ridiculing and attacking that nonsense. If anyone can make a LOGICAL and REASONABLE case for that sort of God, be my guest. I'd LOVE to debate that with you anytime. ~ RS |
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03-20-2007, 07:54 PM
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thanks Rocket Surgery. Glad someone else isn't afraid to take a stand against these ridiculous and frankly shocking beliefs...I am all for faith, don't get my wrong. I believe in Jesus, but I don't think he was the Son of God, I think there have been some metaphors miss translated and miss-understood. I also believe in most other "Prophets" and "Enlightened" people, because they did exist, as for the super natural claims surrounding them...when I see a man walk on water...then I'll believe them...
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03-20-2007, 09:30 PM
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I should probably keep my tail out of this, but I'm wondering if this thread initiation is considered trolling? Or maybe I still don't get what that means... It feels like somebody with extremely opposing views maybe just jumping into this forum to upset the status quo. Is that what this is and what trolling is? Pam |
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03-20-2007, 10:31 PM
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Trolling is joining or starting a conversation with the intent to disrupt or anger the participants... Attacking people's beliefs is closer to trolling, in my opinion, than proclaiming to be a satanist. Instead of directly attacking a belief, which damages people's egos, it is usually much more productive to honestly question a person's beliefs. Rocket, it is rarely effective to debate simply by attacking the person's stated purpose... Stretch their logic and reasoning so that they can see their fallacies, and be prepared for them to do the same to you... Debate isn't about choosing who is right, it is about finding the best supported argument, which often isn't the ones that the participants start out with, but is one that they can both agree on at the end. If it must be a contest, then look at is like chess... Sometimes, you must knowingly allow a pawn to fall, or at least put it in great danger, so that you can capture a more valuable piece later. | |
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03-21-2007, 01:24 AM
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Perhaps if society ridiculed these backward beliefs more regularly and openly, all the frightened souls that are prisoner of this mindset might be willing to consider alternative beliefs, if for no other reason that because they are no longer POPULAR beliefs. Look what such tactics have done to the destructive habit of smoking. In the fifties and sixties, smoking cigarettes was the NORM in American culture. Tobacco companies grew fat and wealthy off of the addiction to poisonous toxins they were allowed to foist on the public. Thank God a few brave public servants stood up to the tobacco lobby, and eventually regulated that nasty habit out of being "chic." People still have the freedom to destroy their lungs if they so choose, but now at least we are all wiser and smarter about all the lies that were told in order to make us slaves to nicotine all those years. I grew up in a household where both parents chain-smoked. Today, I have a lung condition called sarcoidosis. I'm not bitter about it, that's the cards I was dealt. But would I have that condition today if those same brave public servants had stood up to the tobacco industry twenty years earlier, and ridiculed the smoking habit right out of acceptability in time for me to live a smoke-free childhood? One wonders. Religions that preach nightmarish visions of hell for those who disbelieve may not be poisoning young LUNGS, but worse, IMO, they are poisoning young MINDS. You speak of "damaging the ego," well that is exactly what this Nickols person's post sought to do at the top of this thread. He is attempting to coerce the weak-minded who read this thread into believing that HIS religion is the "true" one by recanting one of his NIGHTMARES and renaming it his "vision." To my mind, this is a far worse crime than that of possibly hurting someone's feelings by ridiculing their beliefs. It's as if some nut job barged into a classroom waving a loaded pistol at everyone's head and began threatening to kill them if they didn't do his bidding. Then instead of booting out the nut job, we get lectures about how it's improper to criticize the nut job's methods of "persuasion." The nut job has zero respect for us, and behaves indifferent to any trauma or damage his nightmarish beliefs inflict upon OUR egos. If someone wishes to post about all the positive, or even, the neutral aspects of Christianity, Islam, etc. and discuss what's GOOD about their faith, I have no issue with that whatsoever. I just have zero tolerance for terror tactics, and that is what Nickols used. He started this thread "guns blazing" for no other purpose than to try to frighten people into his way of thinking. It's no wonder more and more Christians every day are rejecting this very negative aspect of their dogma. I am most definitely grateful for that. ~ RS | |
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03-21-2007, 02:59 AM
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While I agree that fear based tactics are inappropriate, so is calling people "nut jobs." Disagreeing with people is fine, but argue their logic, do not put motives into their mouths. While I can certainly understand your desire to stop behavior that you see as harmful, it does not help matters to use force against force. While a policy of tollerance, even for the intollerant, may seem futile to you, and its results are not easily apparent in the short term, I can assure you that you would get far more support by questioning people's logic in a polite, civilized manner than you will get for attacking the character of the messenger. Personally, I had hoped to call as little attention to this thread as possible, so that the fear based messages would disappear among much more uplifting and helpful topics, but it seems that I am unable to do this any longer. Through fighting, we have drawn ourselves into the same fear-based level of reasoning that the concept of "The Beast" sprung from in the first place. If we ignore fear as a motivation, it goes away. By attempting to fight fear directly, we call attention to it, which only gives it power. In other words, don't feed the trolls. |
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03-21-2007, 03:25 AM
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I am not afraid of the terror tactics. But as a boy of 13 from a dysfunctional family, I was vulnerable to them, and was lured into that belief system with hugs and gladhands, only to be filled with the terror fables soon thereafter. It took years for me to find the logic my mind needed in order to escape the fear those people so carelessly implanted in me, but as described above, I realized that such a sadistic god could not possibly exist. I find it curious that you seem more concerned with political correctness than with the toxic post that opened this thread. Are you a believer in this "fire and brimstone" hell, demons, and the like? If not, I don't know why you even allow such posts to remain on a supposedly "enlightening" forum. There are vulnerable minds out there that read these forums, and may well be coerced into such toxic beliefs simply because you are tolerant of them and allow them to stay. Would you allow the posting of images of real-life violence accompanied by the poster's manifesto supporting such acts? I think not. So why is it tolerable when in the context of a popular religion? I am not anti-Christian. I am anti-FEAR. Too many people have preyed upon the minds of humanity for too long using these tactics. You have the power to keep it out of this forum, a forum where MANY people come seeking answers in their spiritual quest. Is it not more important to do whatever we can to help them towards more POSITIVE belief systems than to risk losing their minds to toxic fear-based beliefs in the name of "netiquette" and tolerance? Your call, I guess. I just hope there are no ulterior motives. ~ RS |
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03-21-2007, 05:39 AM
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Well, as this is becoming a question of the motives behind our actions, I suppose that it is appropriate for me to share my personal beliefs and experiences. As you, I also came from a dysfunctional family. When I was young, before I can currently remember, my mother had a boyfriend who abused me physically and my two older sisters in other ways. My parents later divorced, near the beginning of my earliest memories, and when I was in second grade, my father (who had custody) married a woman who did not know how to control her anger, and her idea of discipline was to belittle my sisters and I through hours of yelling and questioning our intelligence. I'm not saying this for sympathy, as I've learned some valuable lessons from this time period... I'm simply pointing out my credentials for having been in a dysfunctional family. I've experienced many forms of Christianity while growing up, from the fire-and-brimstone fundamentalist groups, to the highly ritualized Catholicism, and have spent much time with the LDS church, working through the lower levels of its priesthood. My father has always been a church-hopper, and I was even introduced to paganism during that time. After examining many different sects of Christianity on my own as I became better at critical thinking, I eventually found myself as a Wiccan. Unfortunately, the fear based propaganda didn't end as I left monotheism; the fear was merely redirected towards those who were Christian. Eventually, I left all doctrinal religion, including the organized Christianity and the non-organized Paganism, and devoted the energy that I had previously devoted to religion to my own spirituality without the dogma. I even found the bumper sticker "My karma ran over your dogma" to be distasteful, as I found that when people align themselves to religion out of fear, the hatred continued unabated. Even atheistic people had the same hatred for things that they considered to be 'wrong,' despite nobody having proof of being right, except for their own faith. I haven't given up on finding a belief structure that is wholly good, though. I continue to compare religions and beliefs, and I have found that only when a person is acting purely out of love, ignoring or overcoming their fears, that a person can find peace, which is my goal and benchmark for a good belief structure. Strangely, I found that people who professed to believe in the same things could have vastly different levels of peace and love, which lead me to believe that it wasn't the dogma of any religion that mattered, it was how the people applied it in their lives. I've seen very loving, peaceful Christians, and very loving, peaceful Pagans. I've seen Buddhists who have transcended the ego, and Shinto who have touched my heart in very personal levels from thousands of miles away. To me, no religion is bad... only the application of those religions. Christianity, in its most basic form, teaches forgiveness, self-sacrifice, and love. Native American religions teach honor for your ancestors, and through that honor towards those long past, honor for your community and environment. It is only when fear comes in that it detracts from peace and harms a person spiritually. I'd like to share two stories, one from my father's past, and another from my life two months ago... Hopefully these will better explain where I am coming from. Before I was born, my father was a soldier in the U.S. Army. He had a chance to take a lesson in parachuting without the normal stress of earning an Airborne badge, so he decided to take that lesson. After a week of being drilled on how to use a parachute, he finally got his first jump, with the goal to land on a target. There was no advantage in the order that a person jumped from the plane, as the person who jumped out before my father did actually landed ahead of my father, and a person who jumped out later landed a ways behind. Out of those who were jumping from that day, my father landed the closest, about a hundred yards away from the target... and he was yelled at the most for missing. The reason why he was yelled at so much was because he was the closest, so if he had put in just a little bit of extra effort, he would have landed perfectly... Those who were further from the target could not benefit from the extra military style motivation, since they didn't have the skills required to get them in the same league as my father... That's why I'm 'picking' on you... You have a perspective that Nickols doesn't have, but from where I'm standing, you're just barely missing the target. If you could refine your methods, there wouldn't be any problems. You are motivated from a combination of love and fear, on a topic where so many others are only motivated by fear... Saying "There are vulnerable minds out there that read these forums, and may well be coerced into such toxic beliefs simply because you are tolerant of them and allow them to stay" is a fear based statement... yet "You have the power to keep it out of this forum, a forum where MANY people come seeking answers in their spiritual quest" is an empowering statement, one which no purely fear-based person would say. The other story that I want to share is something that happened to my wife and I about two months back. My wife was proofreading a blog post that I was making, as I have a tendency to stray too far off topic if I'm not focused on a single goal... While she was proofing, she noticed that I used the word "dieing." Now, that is the correct spelling for what I meant, but my wife is used to writing for less literate people who would mock a person for spelling 'dieing' correctly, as they believe that the correct spelling is 'dying' (since it is *a* correct spelling, just not for the word I wanted to use). Well, I started to pull out a dictionary, despite her telling me that more people recognize the incorrect spelling, just so that I could prove myself right... It lead to an argument where it was made clear that I was just being pig-headed and stubborn. About a month after that, I was joking that my wife was always right, which of course, she contradicted. I then (being the fool that I am... it must be something in the Y chromosome) contradicted her, and pointed out that, even when she was wrong, she still ended up in the right... and I was wrong once again, simply because of the way that I handled the situation. The point of that story is, the message that you are giving is not just the points of the argument. How you make your points also determine the message. In communications theory, the message isn't what the sender is trying to send, it is only what the receiver interprets it to be. I was technically correct in saying that the correct way to spell the present tense of 'to die' is 'dieing.' I was completely wrong, however, in the way that I pushed the issue, so the end result was that, instead of having a well proofread post and the both of us remaining happy, I had to postpone that post for several days, I had to regain control of my own emotions, and I had to help my wife to build up her self image again. Diplomacy and politically correctness aren't there simply to confuse the issues (although they certainly can be used to obfuscate any meaning), but they can be used to increase the effectiveness of communication by blunting the criticism into a form more likely to get past a person's ego, so that the intended message can actually be heard and understood. Does that help to explain my actions? |
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03-21-2007, 09:13 AM
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That said, I respectfully must continue to disagree with you regarding our friend Nickols. Rereading his post, this person does not strike me as even your average fundamentalist Christian. He comes across, at least to me, as clearly delusional and in need of psychiatric care. Your advice of bringing a person around to another way of thinking using politeness and logic is quite valid... at least when dealing with open-minded persons of average or better intelligence. And for all I know, Nickols may be very intelligent, but he is clearly not open-minded regarding matters of spirituality, and most of his delusional claims cannot even be backed up by Revelations, which I have read a few times over back in my "born again" days. As someone said on MAD TV, he takes Revelations to a "Whole... nuhva... lehvo." There is no constructive nor healthy debate to be had with such a person, and his visions of horror and suffering should not be tolerated on a site that purports to be about DEVELOPMENT rather than personal DESTRUCTION. Also, your explanation of why you are "picking" on me infers that you believe that your philosophies are more evolved than my own, and that you have something to "teach" me. I find that mildly condescending with just a hint of arrogance. What makes you think that you are not more in need of mentoring from ME than I from you? You are here to moderate the forum, and perhaps even join in the debate. But I do not come here seeking out you or anyone else as a person guru of PD, SR, LoA, or All Things Metaphysical. You are not "the Master" nor I "your Student." We are all teachers AND students of each other. I have no personal fear of this nonsensical dreck that Nickols and his ilk continue to spew across the globe. I just happen to believe that we so-called "enlightened" people should be just a wee bit more proactive with regards to replacing it with a much more progressive belief system. Standing idly by while tortured and deluded souls such as Nickols work feverishly to spread their visions of fear, gloom, and doom is what has allowed this planet to arrive at the spiritual conflict we are currently witnessing between fundamentalist Christianity and fundamentalist Islam. If more people like myself would take a stand against this nonsense, the radical factions of both religions would be at worst a minor nuisance to the planet, rather than the threat that WE have allowed them to become. You need to stop equating VOLUME with NEGATIVITY. Progressive thinking people need to ramp UP the volume of their beliefs LOUDER than the radicals. OUR ideas are not being heard because all the headlines cover what the radicals are saying as they shake their fists at each other. This is one of the reasons I am so in favor of The Secret. Yes, it's a glitzy packaging of an old concept -- LoA -- but by targeting itself to some of the petty desires of the masses, it is finding its way into MILLIONS of homes... and MINDS. And many, many of those minds are opening up to the spiritual concepts behind all the "get rich quick" packaging, and discovering SR and metaphysical concepts for the very first time. SR or no SR, if enough people become fundamentalist Muslims, then the world WILL revert back to a stone-age mindset. And nearly just as bad if the fundy Christians get too powerful. If either scenario happens, you can kiss open debates like this forum good-bye for the forseeable future. These groups have a clear agenda, and it's NOT anything to do with tolerance for the views and beliefs of others. And, yes, perhaps this is but a puff of smoke in the big picture of the Universe and God, but the Earth is still an amazing school for the spirit, and it will be rendered much less so if dominated by ANY closed-minded religion, especially the fearmongering ones. If the LoA is real, then the world vision of a billion fundamentalists will surely trump the world vision of a few hundred thousand "new agers" and mankind will collectively bring their reality into existence. It's not about what the truth is. It's about what the masses BELIEVE the truth to be that will determine the collective fate of the planet. So please don't waste your desire to teach your beliefs and philosophy to me. You are preaching to the choir, and that is not helping. I believe you can be of much more help in your position as moderator by preventing the spreading of these backward, negative beliefs at least from infecting this site, if nowhere else. Then those who come here, many who may have just found the courage to reject said fearmongering beliefs, will not have to be further exposed to it as they seek guidance and answers regarding our much more progressive and positive spiritual concepts of reality and existence. ~ RS | |
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What exactly do you mean by 'Be bless!' From what I have read of your material, you seem to be in a very dark place full of evil, blame, fear, punishment, demons and ghosts in closets. I think you should go back to school and learn about words like forgiveness, love, compassion and truth. You certainly seem to be caught up in a tangled web of your own delusion. I hope you get help soon. I get the feeling you have had some negative experiences which you can't resolve and which you are continuing to dramatize and play out. It's time to let go, forgive and move on. For the particular, spiritual stage you are at, I would suggest going to a Catholic priest and have him pray over you. It may give you an initial jolt in the right direction! | |
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In summary, though I do not accuse you of atheism, this is the problem I have with atheism. In their fervor to destroy what is certainly a terrible thing, they become a twisted version of that very thing itself: an analogous example of the oppressed becoming the oppressors: illogical; taking pages from science where convenient; holier-than-thou; more interested in victory than truth. | |||||
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Nichols, might I ask, what intrigues you about your decision to follow Satan? What is it that brings you peace? Do you receive peace at all as he's obviously not well known as the "peace bringer?" What called you there? Why would you feel at 1 with yourself to offer a life of destruction or am I stereo typing you and throwing myself right in there with the individuals who like to speak to soon and follow what has been taught to them?  Why would you not want to follow something that offered inner peace and consolement?I've often pondered over this question I ask you. Heck, I’ve often pondered whether a Hell actually existed however I've never asked my God to prove it to me as the experience doesn't sound that inviting.  My God would be God himself and his loyal and devote follower "Jesus Christ." I only believe basically what I have seen or experienced. There will always be a few beliefs here or there that will stay ingrained until otherwise proven different but for the most part, I believe what I see. With that being said; I am the first that will admit lower deity's and negative energies and negative planes do indeed exist. Do I believe that we are doomed to live an eternity of torture and chaos whilst we decide to 'misbehave' on Earth? Not particularly. I've never felt that was a correct teaching from the moment I heard it which was probably around the age of 4. In fact I was quite adamant to my Sunday School teachers that that sounded just plain ridiculous to me! BUT.. There is still a window of possibility as I never debunk what I don't know as a fact. Satanists have been scrutinized and portrayed as evil, evil beings. Yes? No? Who Knows! I for one chose not to associate with any I've come across. Is that based on what I've been taught of Satan? I don't like what I was taught therefore I have cared not to research it however I find it a great opportunity within this forum to hear why you chose to turn the way you have. Quick question; sorry if I throw myself under the bus here but, Are you sure, Nichols' that your decision is not based on your own self detachment and insecurities? Are you sure you are not receiving what you think you need because you have found a group that is welcoming? Are you sure you follow this as closely as you think you do? Can I jump out there and guess that you may actually be quite young, well younger than most of us I'd say. High-school, late 20's. Whether you deny it or not makes no difference to me but you may want to read my wording above closely dear. Satan is a well feared deity among the Christian religion. Here are my thoughts on that. Fear creates negative energy. Our thoughts create our own realities. Fear would create my fears to manifest therefore I do not Fear for nothing could touch me if I chose it not to. Did you notice I said thoughts create our own realities? Arkashic said, "a faith induced dream caused by your beliefs instilled from a young age," when referencing your belief and faith in Satan. Many say that Satan has been created only by our own thoughts. The plane that is of negativity has been created by Humans. We created him. For each person, a Satan would be different or simply not exist at all........... Do I believe this theory? Like I said, I believe what I have seen and experienced and as of yet I haven't thought about a big green and blue monster with pointed horns and a squiggly tail and watched it manifest in another earth plane or dimension, Therefore, I have no grounds to say I believe or do not believe. Oh the wonders of the world and all the in-between and unexplained Amazements!!!!!!! Gotta love it. |
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03-21-2007, 07:37 PM
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As I said, we are ALL both teacher and student of each other. My point was that Adam was claiming the role of teacher only, and that I was the young "Grasshopper" in need of his mentoring. I learn things from EVERYBODY I come in contact with, regardless of where they may be on their personal path to enlightenment. But there's a difference between saying -- at any volume -- "Here's what I think" and "Here's where you're wrong." Quote:
 And I am not suggesting we "attack" fundamentalism. I agree with you that focusing too much negative energy on something only attracts more of it. Instead, I'm suggesting we COUNTER the more backward belief systems by being more PROACTIVE about spreading our own. As Mother Theresa said, "No, I will not participate in any "anti-war rallies." However, if you wish to hold a "peace rally," I'd be delighted to come." Quote:
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Well, I am not now, nor have I ever been an atheist. I am currently fairly strong in my belief that we are all, basically, God... whose consciousness was, is, and continues to be split up into countless Points of Expression. I believe in the initial Oneness of the God Consciousness, and even perhaps Its eventual reunification someday. But I do not believe that the SpaceTime universe is some sort of "accident" that needs "correcting". It is illusory in a sense, but very real in its own context. What's real is US and all our EXPERIENCES. Regarding atheism: while I disagree with atheists over their disbelief in Spirit, I have little concern that their beliefs cause any danger to the planet. Spirit is All That Is, and I simply do not think it's possible for human beings to hold onto a mass "disbelief" of their very nature for very long. This is why atheists never have and never will be in the majority. Also, I have NEVER seen or met an atheist who seemed to have a "fervor" to destroy anything. That's usually a behavior much more prevalent in fundamentalist religious zealots, who believe to their cores that they are acting in the service of their god. Atheists will have to deal with their disbeliefs "in-between" human lifetimes, but while they are here, I find them to be relatively GOOD for the planet and the environment. In their minds, this is all there is ever going to be, so they seem to care more about protecting and preserving it than do the fundamentalists, whose attitude seems to be one of, "Ah, the Apocalypse is right around the corner anyway, so if I wanna drive a different color Hummer every day, why the hell not?!" Plus, if you discuss and debate spirituality with most atheists, you don't need to worry that they will grab you and behead you for not converting to Atheism. They'll just call you "afraid to die" and leave it at that. And, from what I've seen of most people who come to believe in SR, LoA, and metaphysical beliefs, MANY, MANY of them at one point on their journey admit to being -- well whaddaya know -- ATHEISTS! At least for a time. So next time you feel like attacking the atheists, realize that you might be attacking someone who is merely at a "rest stop" of sorts on their way to spiritual enlightenment... IN THIS LIFETIME! Atheists are usually God-seekers. They just don't know it yet. If you keep attacking them, you may put them off from their curiosity about metaphysical beliefs. Fundamentalists must be DE-PROGRAMMED first before they will ever be open to new ways of thinking. And this is almost always achieved by the fundamentalist himself. I don't know of any "de-programming" centers that help to reverse the brainwashing of such doctrines. Gotta run.... ~ RS | ||||||
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03-21-2007, 08:13 PM
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Rocket Surgery, here's what I think, speaking as a person with no title, responsibility, with only my personal experiences to back me up. Your spiritual beliefs are good, yet I see that you regard other religions with a sense of fear. You are a good person, worthy of my respect, with a single belief which I do not share, namely that applying force against religious beliefs based on your subjective view of them is an appropriate way to deal with your fear. And, here's where you're wrong, speaking as a moderator, with the responsibility to maintain a sense of neutrality while encouraging open and honest communication among all those who wish to share their beliefs, with the support of other moderators. You have insulted people directly, and have shown blatant disrespect for beliefs that differ from your own. You have refused to listen to reason, except for the purpose of refuting the logic of those arguments which you do not agree with. When you can not directly attack a person's argument, you resort to attacking a person's character, and become sarcastic. In short, you are on the fast track to becoming a troll and being banned appropriately. You will notice that your beliefs do not appear in what you have done wrong. I never support attacking people based on their beliefs, and I have only delayed saying what I said above for my own personal reasons. I have two duties, one to myself, and one to the members of this forum. The duty to myself is to help you understand that forcing others to change their beliefs is not an effective method, and often leads people to believe the opposite of what you are telling them. Inviting them to understand your belief, without the expectation that they will indeed change, is the most effective method to positively affect a person's beliefs. Now that I have said that, as plainly as I can, I am now free to perform the duty to the members of this forum. That duty, as I said above, is to encourage open and honest communication. People will not be open or honest when they feel that they are under attack. Because of this, I am telling you to stop being sarcastic, stop being disrespectful, and stop insulting others. If you don't stop, I will have no choice except to believe that you are actively seeking to disrupt the forums, you will be labeled as a troll, and the appropriate actions will be taken. The only reason why I have not given you this warning earlier is because you have many good, constructive things to say. The reason why I am posting this publicly, rather than in PM as I prefer, is because I want to make it very clear that, while I will never judge a person's beliefs, that insulting others and showing disrespect for the beliefs of others is not tolerated. |
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