What is a lightworker/darkworker?

[SethWilliams]

I read lots of things on this forums about Lightworkers, Darkworkers, polarization etc. But i still dont understand.

Do you get like a name tag?

[st33med]

Yes!
Just write here:





It is a label system that I don't subscribe to. It's like distinguishing right from wrong.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by SethWilliams

I read lots of things on this forums about Lightworkers, Darkworkers, polarization etc. But i still dont understand.

Do you get like a name tag?

I'm the same...the way I operate is closest to what people here describe a "lightworker" but I don't call myself one.

Illustro Cado has tried many times to help me understand but it always comes back to this big HUH...

I don't think in terms of which direction energy is flowing...I just do what feels good and do my best to make it win/win and not **** anyone else around. The two just seem like the same thing to me...just called different things?

We all have good(God) and evil(Devil) in us, and can choose which actions we'd prefer and which intentions. Selfishness can be percieved in different ways so as to eradicate the need for judgement, and some selfishness if required as part of sound self-care. So long as consequences are consciously understood.

If you go around doing what you want and it hurts people, then I guess it can be seen from a cosmic viewpoint of not really mattering in the long run, but it's not the way I choose to operate if I can help it...which I can.

Thinking before acting can prevent serious harm to someone else...though I suppose it can put the kybosh on spontaneity to a degree. There are other ways to be spontaneous that don't mean people will get hurt though...I'm all about alternatives.

[fellow traveler]

That's actually the first I've heard of the term "Darkworkers", .. but I have heard the term "laggards" before.

If you have a desire to learn more about the 'Lightworkers', ... you might check out the book entitled;
"Bringers Of The Dawn" by; Barbara Marciniac

One other book to explore might be;
"Return Of The Bird Tribes" by Ken Carey

[Alena]

Originally Posted by fellow traveler

That's actually the first I've heard of the term "Darkworkers", .. but I have heard the term "laggards" before.

If you have a desire to learn more about the 'Lightworkers', ... you might check out the book entitled;
"Bringers Of The Dawn" by; Barbara Marciniac

One other book to explore might be;
"Return Of The Bird Tribes" by Ken Carey

I was actually going to mention Barbara Marciniak as well
I haven't read her books yet, but I've been reading her channeling archives here:
http://www.book-of-light.com/content...ks-channelings

And the definition of lightworkers in those channelings is different to Steve Pavlina's definition, for example.
Here you don't "polarize" as a lightworker, you already are one (or you are not), you just need to remember it.

[fellow traveler]

Originally Posted by Alena

And the definition of lightworkers in those channelings is different to Steve Pavlina's definition, for example.
Here you don't "polarize" as a lightworker, you already are one (or you are not), you just need to remember it.

Would you be willing to elaborate on this a bit? ... I think I get the gist of what you are stating here, but I may be mistaken. .... What is the main differences between Marciniac's and Pavlina's POV?

[Alena]

fellow traveler, ok, my understanding is:

1) Steve Pavlina's POV:
initially, you are neither a lightworker nor a darkworker. But you can make a choice between service to others and service to self (i.e. polarize), and then you become a lightworker or a darkworker, correspondingly.

2) Marciniac's POV (or, rather the POV of the Pleiadians she's been channeling):
There is a group of beings who belong to a so-called Family of Light.
There are other families as well, they mention Family of War and Family of Love, for example.
The members of this Family of Light are incarnating on Earth to help with the Earth ascension, to hold the light frequency, to destroy the current "dark" systems, etc.
So you either belong to this family or not. You can't become a member, at least not within this incarnation.

Now, I'm assuming "The Family of Light"="Lightworkers", but I'm not completely sure.

What's your view?

[fellow traveler]

Alena -
I do agree with Marciniac's POV, ... as my own experiences have supported much of what she has shared in the "Bringers of The Dawn" book. .... I tend to prefer to refer to the family of Light as; ... "The Angel Men and Women"

I also found Ken Carey's book to be a very strong resonance in my soul when I read it, .. and my affiliation with and draw to Native American spirit and culture was very deep and strong over many years of my life.

[MidasGirl]

Originally Posted by SethWilliams

I read lots of things on this forums about Lightworkers, Darkworkers, polarization etc. But i still dont understand.

Do you get like a name tag?

Well, the labels of themselves don't really mean much. But they help to put a perspective to what one is trying to describe. What don't you understand? Is it just the labels, or how polarization works?

[MidasGirl]

Actually, I think what Steve explains is that if you want to have a very effective outcome, you have to polarize either as a darkworker or lightworker. Being neutral is great, but it gets you neutral results. And there's nothing wrong with that.

[pyrogen]

My 2c...

The two IMO are *only human invented terms* to describe things that we are barely able to comprehend, and the words can get in the way... a good friend said, "the finger pointing at the moon is not the moon" and I feel that is an important metaphor in this case.

FWIW, being a lightworker doesn't make you exempt from being a douche.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Alena

2) Marciniac's POV (or, rather the POV of the Pleiadians she's been channeling):
There is a group of beings who belong to a so-called Family of Light.
There are other families as well, they mention Family of War and Family of Love, for example.
The members of this Family of Light are incarnating on Earth to help with the Earth ascension, to hold the light frequency, to destroy the current "dark" systems, etc.
So you either belong to this family or not. You can't become a member, at least not within this incarnation.

Now, I'm assuming "The Family of Light"="Lightworkers", but I'm not completely sure.

What's your view?

Actually, my understanding of the Pleiadean material as channeled by Barbara Marciniak is that it is all about free will, and that those who are members of "family of light", as it were, are those who have chosen to polarize positively. The "family of war" were/are those that chose/are choosing to be negatively polarized.

However over the course of many incarnations, one begins to lean more toward one polarity than the other, so that is why they speak of discovering what you are already. But certainly, you can always start flowing your energy a different way. In fact, I would go so far as to say the more polarized you are, the easier it would be to change polarities as the more polarized you are the more conscious and aware you are.

For example, in Bringers of the Dawn they say:

There is a huge transformation taking place, but what you do with it, of course, is up to you. We have
said that your world is going to split into two worlds and that those who move with light will be in the
world of light. This split is already beginning to take place. Those entities who wish to work with the
higher vibratory fields that represent light, and those who wish to work with the lower vibratory fields
that represent fear, darkness, chaos, control, and confusion, are beginning to polarize and choose sides.

[sundance]

Originally Posted by fellow traveler

That's actually the first I've heard of the term "Darkworkers", .. but I have heard the term "laggards" before.

If you have a desire to learn more about the 'Lightworkers', ... you might check out the book entitled;
"Bringers Of The Dawn" by; Barbara Marciniac

One other book to explore might be;
"Return Of The Bird Tribes" by Ken Carey

Originally Posted by Alena

I was actually going to mention Barbara Marciniak as well
I haven't read her books yet, but I've been reading her channeling archives here:
http://www.book-of-light.com/content...ks-channelings

And the definition of lightworkers in those channelings is different to Steve Pavlina's definition, for example.
Here you don't "polarize" as a lightworker, you already are one (or you are not), you just need to remember it.

Thank you Fellow Traveller and Alena for the links!

[fellow traveler]

So do those of you who align with the material presented in Marciniac's books believe what the likes of David Icke claim, .... that the world is to some extent populated by malevolent shift changing reptilian humanoids, ... such as is fictionalized in the television drama entitled; "V" ? ... (without the same scenario that is presented in the program of course.)

[pyrogen]

The problem is, many of the world's worst people think they're doing good (Hitler comes to mind). And just being "rich" doesn't make a person evil - someone brought up the good that Bill Gates has done.

And sometimes *history* decides who is what - Genghis Khan actually was one of the forces to help pave the way for the modern world as we know it (and for that matter, so was the Black Death).

I've often thought that the most useful dichotomy is "awake" vs "asleep". Most people are asleep and live their lives merely being pushed around by forces outside of themselves... and even within themselves.

Icke's Reptilian stuff is interesting; if nothing else, it's a workable metaphor for the fact that there do seem to genuinely be people who lack a soul... or lose their soul.

[fellow traveler]

Originally Posted by pyrogen

The problem is, many of the world's worst people think they're doing good (Hitler comes to mind). And just being "rich" doesn't make a person evil - someone brought up the good that Bill Gates has done.

And sometimes *history* decides who is what - Genghis Khan actually was one of the forces to help pave the way for the modern world as we know it (and for that matter, so was the Black Death).

I've often thought that the most useful dichotomy is "awake" vs "asleep". Most people are asleep and live their lives merely being pushed around by forces outside of themselves... and even within themselves.

Icke's Reptilian stuff is interesting; if nothing else, it's a workable metaphor for the fact that there do seem to genuinely be people who lack a soul... or lose their soul.

So it sounds like you are not so much seeing the "Lizzies" as real malevolent 'aliens', .. but more representing a metaphor for those who are ignorant or 'asleep'?

[pyrogen]

Originally Posted by fellow traveler

So it sounds like you are not so much seeing the "Lizzies" as real malevolent 'aliens', .. but more representing a metaphor for those who are ignorant or 'asleep'?

I don't know enough to judge about the Reptilians. Basically, what I know is limited at this point to "there is this guy named David Icke and he has this theory that there are these malevolent alien beings controlling humanity".

If they aren't "real" per se, then they are a useful metaphor, though, and interesting as metaphors go.

[fellow traveler]

Originally Posted by pyrogen

I don't know enough to judge about the Reptilians. Basically, what I know is limited at this point to "there is this guy named David Icke and he has this theory that there are these malevolent alien beings controlling humanity".

If they aren't "real" per se, then they are a useful metaphor, though, and interesting as metaphors go.

I hear yah. ....
Actually Marciniac is (the Pleadiens are), professing essentially the same thing.

[Asmoday]

Originally Posted by Alena

fellow traveler, ok, my understanding is:

2) Marciniac's POV (or, rather the POV of the Pleiadians she's been channeling):
There is a group of beings who belong to a so-called Family of Light.
There are other families as well, they mention Family of War and Family of Love, for example.
The members of this Family of Light are incarnating on Earth to help with the Earth ascension, to hold the light frequency, to destroy the current "dark" systems, etc.
So you either belong to this family or not. You can't become a member, at least not within this incarnation.

Huh. That's interesting. So...by that logic, if one Lightworker sleeps with another Lightworker...then its technically spiritual incest? Hmmm. That's kinda saucy...

What this theory is glaringly missing is that it is just as much the Dark Systems that are driving the so-called Ascension as the holding of the "Light Frequency" (I'm not even going to riff on that, too easy).

Darkworking is not some rogue corruption, cancer, or perversion. We are part of the natural order, grand design, or whatever. If it were otherwise, we would have been cut, purged, absolutely by now.

This idea is literally like a person who says that they revere nature...all the fluffy mammals, of course. But not the snakes, or insects. They want the forest, but not the forest fire. Frolicking sheep, but not the wolf tearing into it to survive. The pretty beaches without the hurricanes or tsunamis.

Its the same camp of people who keep questing for growth, without discomfort or pain...it just don't work that way.

To me, the only place where this micro-world view of "how things are" could make any sense is a New Age bookstore. In any other part of the real world, it just doesn't hold up to what we observe.

[fellow traveler]

Originally Posted by Asmoday

Huh. That's interesting. So...by that logic, if one Lightworker sleeps with another Lightworker...then its technically spiritual incest? Hmmm. That's kinda saucy...

What this theory is glaringly missing is that it is just as much the Dark Systems that are driving the so-called Ascension as the holding of the "Light Frequency" (I'm not even going to riff on that, too easy).

Darkworking is not some rogue corruption, cancer, or perversion. We are part of the natural order, grand design, or whatever. If it were otherwise, we would have been cut, purged, absolutely by now.

This idea is literally like a person who says that they revere nature...all the fluffy mammals, of course. But not the snakes, or insects. They want the forest, but not the forest fire. Frolicking sheep, but not the wolf tearing into it to survive. The pretty beaches without the hurricanes or tsunamis.

Its the same camp of people who keep questing for growth, without discomfort or pain...it just don't work that way.

To me, the only place where this micro-world view of "how things are" could make any sense is a New Age bookstore. In any other part of the real world, it just doesn't hold up to what we observe.

My take on this 'ascension' process is simply that what takes place within the individual in an 'Awakening' or 'Liberation' process, .. is essentially the same process that unfolds on a collective level 'Awakening' process.

That process is about evolving from the 3rd dimension (which is the condition of the illusion of separation or 'duality'), ... into the 5th dimension which is an Awakening into the 'Oneness' and unity of and with all that is.

In the condition of duality, the process of moving into the oneness ultimately involves an inner battle between the 'True Self' and the 'false self', .. The forces of Light or Conscious Awareness or Love and the forces of darkness or unconsciousness or fear. ..... Yes, ... both of these aspects of consciousness are integral to the process that is the evolution of consciousness at this point in that journey, .. but the struggle that ensues more and more the closer one comes to the point of final 'Awakening' or 'Liberation', .. is a very real 'Armageddon', ... and it is taking place on the inner planes and the outer planes at the same time. .... but it is a creative and necessary process and not a 'negative' one.

I am certainly not insinuating that the dark forces are playing any less critical a role in the process than are the forces of light, ... but it is true that the process of evolving to 'Awakening' is all about the unlimited expanding Light of pure Consciousness, .. merging with the un-conscious fear based aspects of the un-conscious, .. and Liberating that more dense and contracted, fear based frequency by expanding and dissolving it with pure Awareness.

At the same time, .. the dark, lower frequencies do struggle to manipulate and deceive the little self into maintaining what has been the status quo of a fear based, defended state of being. .. Thus the inner battle that ensues the closer one comes to the point of Liberation.

Asmoday -
You can correct me if I'm mistaken here, but what you refer to as "darkwork" is not referring to the same thing as "darkworkers" or the motivation of darkworkers, .. which would be to keep the individual enslaved in fear and disempowerment. .. After looking over your site a bit I do not at all get the impression that that is what you are about.