Calling All SR Experts

[judge45]

I just need a little clarification on SR.

There is only one consciousness and everyone including me is a representation/projection of that consciousness, but I am that consciousness and no one else is?

So people are just projections of consciousness as I am also?

So if I'm consciousness and I have this avatar/mind/body to enjoy a physical existance, who is everyone else? They're just my consciousness projecting other bodies so I don't feel lonely?

From your POV you are that consciousness and I'm the projection, so we are consciousness together equally, so therefore consciousness cannot be about just one person, me?

Blahhhhhhhhh! I keep rereading Steve's SR stuff, but I can't get a 100% grip on it.

I can accept that I'm creating much, if not all of my experiences and I feel strongly that my awareness is the center of my existance, but I can't quiet understand who/what/where everyone else is?

If you have an insight, please share, imagine you're explaining it to a 12 year old, that may help me get it

Thanks in advance

Jeff

[Dharma]

There is only one consciousness and everyone including me is a representation/projection of that consciousness, but I am that consciousness and no one else is?

You just contradicted yourself. You are the one consciousness and everything in your experience is you. There is no separation.

So people are just projections of consciousness as I am also?
They're not projections, they are consciousness, your consciousness.

So if I'm consciousness and I have this avatar/mind/body to enjoy a physical existance, who is everyone else? They're just my consciousness projecting other bodies so I don't feel lonely?

Everyone else is manifested by your unconscious self. They are real. They are you, but appear convincingly separate from you.
You're here to evolve. This is how you've chosen to do it.

From your POV you are that consciousness and I'm the projection, so we are consciousness together equally, so therefore consciousness cannot be about just one person, me?

lol... you're playing with separation again. I am you talking to you. You seem to think that consciousness should be all the same across people since it's one consciousness. Self is very creative.

I can accept that I'm creating much, if not all of my experiences and I feel strongly that my awareness is the center of my existance, but I can't quiet understand who/what/where everyone else is?

Everyone else is you. Think of self as a vast being with 4 billion expressions of itself inhabiting one world.

[judge45]

Thanks for the input.

So basically I am God and I have created everything including you, my wife, kids, nature, my job and war so I may enjoy a rich and full physical existance.

Also, when it is not in my present moment awareness, it doesn't exist.

The last bit strikes me as very true and the God part I think I've been shying away from because I'm not sure if I want that kind of power right now

Kooky

Jeff

[Sunny]

Dharma - Thanks for your posts! You do a great job of explaining subjective reality and every time I read one of your replies I understand it better and better. Please keep them coming.

[Fortune]

Originally Posted by judge45

So basically I am God and I have created everything including you, my wife, kids, nature, my job and war . . .

Uh, no. All of that was created by Me, obviously, since "you" (or rather these messages that were posted on forum under your screen name, which is all the proof I have of your existence) are also a manifestation of that.

[AndyMartin]

Originally Posted by judge45

So basically I am God and I have created everything including you, my wife, kids, nature, my job and war so I may enjoy a rich and full physical existance.

No, that would be post-modern narcissism, not subjective reality. The philosophy on which subjective reality is based states that you are one expression of one consciousness from which all form springs. "You" did not create anything; consciousness did. Your will and perception are symptoms of being an incarnation that reflects a fragment of that consciousness. You (we all) erroneously identify with that will and perception rather than the consciousness for the simple reason that we cannot see consciousness because we are consciousness. That an eyeball cannot see itself makes it an eyeball, not god.

Now, since all creation springs forth from consciousness, you have the ability to create by acting in concert with the creative flow of consciousness. The results of your actions -- whether they develop consciousness or deaden it -- have creative impact in the world. But you can never see what part you had in the creation; you can only see your will for something to manifest. So it is never your creation, never your creative power because the "you" that you are thinking of -- your will and perception -- is itself a creation.

The weight of this realization carries is the imperative to develop consciousness in the world, and that responsibility is yours whether you accept it or not because the power is yours whether you choose to use it or not.

So, contrary to popular sentiment, subjective reality is if anything more rigorous and demanding a philosophy than objective.

[judge45]

If consciousness is such a single oneness type of thing, why do I identify so strongly with myself more than anyone else?

I can see and feel that we are all connected, but why is my identity so strong and seemingly separate? Why does it feel so right to be me and no one else?

None of this really explains what other people are.

If consciousness is oneness, then how can I be a separate entity of consciousness with a real definable identity.

If I'm the only one intending and projecting and making this reality up as I go along, (according to Steve's version of SR) I must be consciousness and therefore the only consciousnes, therefore I am God.

If you forget about the power trip (which only relates if you desire power) being God or the single consciousness with a physical body/mind (me) creating projections (you and everthing else) makes sense from a SR perspective.

Kooky indeed.

Jeff

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by Dharma

I am you talking to you

I LOVE that line.

"I am he as you are he as you are me
and we are all together"

I Am The Walrus-The Beatles

[judge45]

If I am the only one (human representitive) here and I'm manifesting everything and everyone, then I must be the creator.

If I'm the part of collective consciousness that has decided to be me and I make everything up, then how does the rest of collective consciousness represent itself.

It's not me and it's not anything in my reality because I'm making it all up.

I haven't really got a problem with being the creator or technically being an entity that is alone creating things on the fly, but if I'm not the creator, I don't have complete control, then it means I have no control at all for there is something bigger than me that is deciding (some)things for me.

That's why religion is such a con, because it gives up some part of control and how can you have any control when something outside of you decides somethings for you at will on a whim, you pray and sometimes your prays are answered but not always.

SR makes much sense if you want to believe you have all the control, everything else (Religion/OR) makes you powerless on various levels.

I will give myself better clarification.......proceed

Jeff

[NightOwlNation]

Great thread, judge!

Andy and Dharma, you rock. Your input helps immensely. I desire being more aware of Consciousness than I have been. To 'balance out' my addiction to thoughts and beliefs that, ultimately don't serve me lovingly. Well, other than to get me to be aware of the contrast-so I know more that I want something new.

Will read it all again. Good stuff.

In Gratitude.

[judge45]

I don't like the idea that anything has any form of control over me.

Religion and objective reality rob the believer of complete responsibility and if that's the true nature of reality, then life is somewhat pointless because you don't have control. You're just living out your days, sometimes getting what you want and sometimes accepting that the 'universe or a religious god' have most of the the control and are doing the best for you without your specific permission or intention.

I like SR for it feels like it can offer a truth I would be more comfortable with other than not having full responsibility.

SR is a mind trip I must admit, but the more I try to get a grip on it, the more I see it makes sense to me, yet I still do not fully understand it

Jeff

[songwriter]

I still don't understand it either...
Sometimes I looked to it in some way. There's only one consciousness but we all have access to it. It's like the Internet. There's only one but everyone has a brain/PC to receive and give information...

[NightOwlNation]

I think, though that it means (as per your example) Consciousness, the brain, the internet and the PC are not just a part of Consciousness, too, but are Consciousness. All the same thing but different forms or expressions. Though the "illusion" of separateness is quite convincing.

I'm going to look up a webpage I saved that I think may be able to help us all (definitely me included). I'll give it it's own thread and call it Avatar's or something like that.

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by NightOwlNation

I think, though that it means (as per your example) Consciousness, the brain, the internet and the PC are not just a part of Consciousness, too, but are Consciousness. All the same thing but different forms or expressions. Though the "illusion" of separateness is quite convincing.

I'm going to look up a webpage I saved that I think may be able to help us all (definitely me included). I'll give it it's own thread and call it Avatar's or something like that.

You may be right, quite claryfying. What I always believe is that everyone's connected. Casuality doesn't exist... so every single thing must have consciousness or be part of a/the consciousness, from the atoms to the stars. It's all the same consciousness then, I think I understand.

[renie408]

So basically we are all individual personalities in one hell of a big Sybil trying to reintegrate. And the reason we resist reintegration (release of separation and ego) is that our egos view that as 'death'. The Big Bang was the explosion of the one conciousness into a zillion apparently (yet not) separate bits. Some bits of which evolved into us, some bits of which became stars, planets, blah blah blah. Getting to 'heaven' means rejoining the fold, as it were.

On some weird level, that makes sense to me. Which on some other weird level, scares the s**t out of me.

[AndyMartin]

Originally Posted by judge45

I don't like the idea that anything has any form of control over me.

There's a subtle line here: do you resist control because you feel it decreases your autonomy as an individual, or because you seek the liberation of consciousness?

Now, if your answer is anything but "both" then you're a big fat liar!

So your impulse for freedom is actually two separate impulses: one to develop egoic autonomy and the other to liberate consciousness from the constraints of volition and perception

Now, healthy egoic autonomy is good because it allows you to live with integrity. But unhealthy egoic autonomy resists any direction from outside your own mind and any truth outside your own experience -- anything you would call "absolute."

The fact is that there is absolute in the universe, but we only experience it from our interior. There is no "out there" out there; "out there" is "in here." It's completely subjective, while being absolute. That is one sense of the teaching that, "Form is emptiness, emptiness is form; form is not separate from emptiness, emptiness is not separate from form." The world does not exist without your experience of it, but your experience of it is not the reason it exists. And yet you only have perception because there is something to perceive, right?

Subjective reality minus the narcissism does not imply causality between perception and existence, only that one cannot exist without the other.

Does that make sense?

[AndyMartin]

Originally Posted by renie408

So basically we are all individual personalities in one hell of a big Sybil trying to reintegrate. And the reason we resist reintegration (release of separation and ego) is that our egos view that as 'death'. The Big Bang was the explosion of the one conciousness into a zillion apparently (yet not) separate bits. Some bits of which evolved into us, some bits of which became stars, planets, blah blah blah. Getting to 'heaven' means rejoining the fold, as it were.

On some weird level, that makes sense to me. Which on some other weird level, scares the s**t out of me.

But why do we need to integrate? The fragmentation only exists from a dualistic perspective. Our bodies are made up of the elements emitted from stars. Have not the stars then evolved into us, into consciousness? Walt Whitman wrote, "I believe a leaf of grass is no less than the journeywork of the stars..." (Song of Myself)

So you want to talk scary s**t, we are no less than the universe becoming aware of itself; we are the eyes of the universe opening up to see that it exists. So we don't need to experience some cosmic merging -- we are not a mistake, we are an unfolding. As we realize that consciousness is not separate from the universe, we don't so much reintegrate as resynthesize into something greater, but inclusive of the existing nature. (Just like atoms don't disappear when they become molecules, or molecules when they become cells, etc.)

But it's that exhilarating kind of scary that makes you want to leap off the edge and see where you land.

Wahoo!

[renie408]

Originally Posted by AndyMartin

But why do we need to integrate? The fragmentation only exists from a dualistic perspective. Our bodies are made up of the elements emitted from stars. Have not the stars then evolved into us, into consciousness? Walt Whitman wrote, "I believe a leaf of grass is no less than the journeywork of the stars..." (Song of Myself)

So you want to talk scary s**t, we are no less than the universe becoming aware of itself; we are the eyes of the universe opening up to see that it exists. So we don't need to experience some cosmic merging -- we are not a mistake, we are an unfolding. As we realize that consciousness is not separate from the universe, we don't so much reintegrate as resynthesize into something greater, but inclusive of the existing nature. (Just like atoms don't disappear when they become molecules, or molecules when they become cells, etc.)

But it's that exhilarating kind of scary that makes you want to leap off the edge and see where you land.

Wahoo!

"Reintegrate" may not be semantically ideal. I don't know if we are a 'mistake' or not. I just don't know. I think our negativity and egoic outlooks are...'mistake' isn't the right word. They are...distractions? from our becoming. I think we are trying to become aware of our inclusion in one concious.

I just had this idea start to evolve for me this morning. I have a lot of work to do on it before I can express what I feel clearly.

[NightOwlNation]

Originally Posted by renie408

So basically we are all individual personalities in one hell of a big Sybil...

lol! That's hilarious!

...we are all individual personalities...trying to reintegrate...

Hmmm...not feeling that, personally. Dr. Albert Taylor (author of Soul Traveler) says he believes we are "gods in training" so to speak.Now that's a little scary, lol! Even though I lean that way in terms of the law of attraction, subjective reality and the holographic universe.

The Big Bang was the explosion of the one conciousness into a zillion apparently (yet not) separate bits. Some bits of which evolved into us, some bits of which became stars, planets, blah blah blah...

Not convinced there was a Big Bang - at least not in the way it is commonly taught.

Getting to 'heaven' means rejoining the fold, as it were.

Not really feeling that one either. There are many East Indian religions that teach this, true. Parts of which I think are amazing. But I live more along the lines of Abraham and the Wingmakers and Dr. Albert Taylor. That we continue to expand and grow in some way. Otherwise that rejoining, in light of this, could possibly be a choice. But intuitively it feels like there is something else at work in terms of what follows physical experience. But these hunches, of course, are only my own.