Questions to subjective realists...

[Jack]

Is it possible to change other people's clothes in my reality?I mean,for example,i hate women with scarfs on their head,i want to see only women without scarfs on their head,is it possible to change my reality so that when i look anywhere on the street or television(or newspaper),i will not see any women with scarf on their head...Is it possible?My psychiatrists say that we may not like some people but we can't change people,and said that there will always be women with scarf and we can't do anything to change this...
Is it possible for me to create my reality without women with scarf or not?

[Savage]

That's pretty easy to accomplish. You can move to my neighborhood. I don't recall seeing any scarfed-headed women here.

Realize that a subjective change will always have a corresponding objective world change as well.

[Jack]

If i believe that there is not any scarfed-headed women in my reality,will my outer reality change to prove my new belief?

[skydust]

from what i know, as long as you are moving away from something, in this case away from women with scarves on their heads, the focus lies on scarves on their heads. so you will keep seeing that. if you on the other hand move towards what you want to see, for example women with ponytails, or free flowing hair, then that is what you will attract into your reality. you do have to fully be moving towards though, and not just mask the away from by saying ok i want to see women with hair. so yes it is possible to change your reality, but you must change your outlook first because reality is a reflection of our internal worlds.

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by Jack

If i believe that there is not any scarfed-headed women in my reality,will my outer reality change to prove my new belief?

There aren't any scarf-headed women. What are you talking about?

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Jack

If i believe that there is not any scarfed-headed women in my reality,will my outer reality change to prove my new belief?

Of course. Most likely the change will be that you'll find your outer reality changing to a new city. The action step is pretty easy. Just get in a car and push on the pedal for a while. Soon you'll see dramatic shifts in your external world.

Realize that you never really move anywhere. You're always here. The world comes to you.

[Jack]

Thanks for your answers...

Hmm,but i don't want to go to a new city...

[Jack]

But if going to another city is the only solution,then i can do this without any intention,i can do this just by action,but i don't want to go to a new city...

Is it not possible a better reality change?

[Rocket Surgery]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Of course. Most likely the change will be that you'll find your outer reality changing to a new city. The action step is pretty easy. Just get in a car and push on the pedal for a while. Soon you'll see dramatic shifts in your external world.

Realize that you never really move anywhere. You're always here. The world comes to you.

That's true! I have direct experience with this concept.

For example, last Saturday night, I went out to a club and got really hammered. When I finally staggered across my car, I was barely able to get the key in the door or even see the numbers on my dash.

But when I turned the ignition, it was amazing! All I had to do was sit there turning the wheel back and forth, singing along to The Best of Three Dog Night... (BTW, everyone... ELI'S COMIN'!!!!)....

...and before I knew it, my house suddenly pulled up beside me! And here's the really spooky part: It was right when the song ended! Oooooooh.....

~ RS

[absvan]

Are you saying that you didnt really drive the car for the amount of time you would to reach your home??

Also does this mean that you expected a reality where you didnt have to drive after getting drunk?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jack

But if going to another city is the only solution,then i can do this without any intention,i can do this just by action,but i don't want to go to a new city...

Is it not possible a better reality change?

An action (driving to a new city) and an intention (seeing women without scarves) is the same thing. If you think about being hungry, you put out an intention to eat... You can either keep it as an intention, and not eat, or you can change that intention to an action by getting up and getting something to eat.

Intention without action is fantasy... Action without intention is impossible.

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by Adam

Intention without action is fantasy... Action without intention is impossible.

That sounds strangely like the relationship between theory and practice.

[judge45]

If you subscribe to subjective reality theory, then I think there is a line you won't cross, because it would destroy or at least taint your reality to the point where it would be pointless to continue.

I have this very strong sense sometimes (I've had it as long as I can remember) that if I really wanted to, I could walk through walls or any object.

Now that's crazy right? No, from a SR POV it's quiet natural.

But, I believe there is a built in mechanism (for me) that I won't allow it to happen, because it would break my reality to the point where it would be senseless to continue.

So I don't allow it, because while it may seem like total freedom, everything else would unravel.

The real secret (I believe) to SR is total responsibility. In an SR world you are completely responsible for everything and I like that idea. You're responsible for your life and eveyone else's. To dramatically change your capabilities (instantly manifest anything) would unstablize everything around you and that won't be good for the people around you.

I think people who would like to change things instantly are very smart, because they know it is indeed possible, but it would ultimately break their world and unhinge the responsibility they have, so it's best to find the path of least resistance.

HTH

Jeff

[Adam]

Ahh, yes... the disappearance of the universe...

I think Douglas Adams said it best when he wrote "There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened."

If we figure out that we are in fact the creators of our reality beyond any doubt, then we'll remember why we created the universe in the first place, put it back up, and add a new rule that will keep us from figuring it all out again for a few billion years.

[Rocket Surgery]

Originally Posted by judge45

To dramatically change your capabilities (instantly manifest anything) would unstablize everything around you and that won't be good for the people around you.

I think people who would like to change things instantly are very smart, because they know it is indeed possible, but it would ultimately break their world and unhinge the responsibility they have, so it's best to find the path of least resistance.

I disagree.

Some schools of thought teach that physical SpaceTime was created for the purpose of "slowing" everything down in order that the process of how thoughts manifest into things can be more closely studied and scruitinized.

Therefore, I do NOT believe it is possible to manifest things "instantly" in physical SpaceTime. However, this is, allegedly, the natural state of things in the non-physical realms.

~ RS

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Jack

Thanks for your answers...

Hmm,but i don't want to go to a new city...

That would be an example of where an intention fails to manifest because you hold a conflicting intention (to remain in your present city).

[Glorymist]

It is my very humble belief that if we attempt to change another person's existence / reality - - such as stopping them from wearing a scarf - - then we are promoting control *over* that person - - and this carries karmic implications - - as great or small as that would be.

That is why it is always most wise to change your own perception. Simply do some work to accept another person's dress code as at least - - tolerable.

I remember reading not too long ago - - a quote - - which went like this: In all things, you have no patient other than yourself.

Think about it. I didn't like it either when I first came across it. But - - it has proved most - - um - - enlightening.

[renie408]

Originally Posted by Glorymist

It is my very humble belief that if we attempt to change another person's existence / reality - - such as stopping them from wearing a scarf - - then we are promoting control *over* that person - - and this carries karmic implications - - as great or small as that would be.

That is why it is always most wise to change your own perception. Simply do some work to accept another person's dress code as at least - - tolerable.

I remember reading not too long ago - - a quote - - which went like this: In all things, you have no patient other than yourself.

Think about it. I didn't like it either when I first came across it. But - - it has proved most - - um - - enlightening.

I don't think subjective realists believe in karma. To believe in karma implies a force beyond your control. So, for someone who believes that they create their total reality, they have created the scarf wearing women and they can uncreate them.

I have a hard time with subjective reality. I think we all create our own INTERPRETATIONS of reality. More along the lines of 'attitude is everything'. I mean, a rainy day only sucks if you think it sucks.

I don't think I actually created the rainy day. Or that anybody else did, either. This is only my belief and maybe I don't fully understand SR, but appears to me that some of the people here think they are creating their realities in toto.

[Jack]

Originally Posted by Adam

An action (driving to a new city) and an intention (seeing women without scarves) is the same thing. If you think about being hungry, you put out an intention to eat... You can either keep it as an intention, and not eat, or you can change that intention to an action by getting up and getting something to eat.

Intention without action is fantasy... Action without intention is impossible.

Then,does this mean that we can't change reality just by believing or imagining,we have to take action too?

[Adam]

Yes, we must take action as well. An intention is just a thought until we act on it. Thoughts can do amazing things, such as change our moods in an instant, or bring a deeper understanding of nature, but without action, nothing physical can manifest.

The difference is just like thinking about moving a part of your body, compared to actually moving. A person can think about moving their arms all day, and even put a lot of energy and emotion into the thought, but can remain perfectly still. Actually moving your arms is quite simple, but it requires something other than pure thought... The same goes for manifesting. You can hold an intention for months, but unless you do something other than thinking, the intention will remain a thought.

You can think about moving your arms without moving your arms, but you can't move your arms without thinking about moving your arms... You can hold an intention without manifesting it, but you can't manifest without intending it.

With practice, it gets easier and more subconscious to manifest, just as a baby is born with very little conscious control over their muscles... After a few hours, they're able to track a light with their eyes... After a few weeks, they're able to roll over, and before you know it, they're running around unrolling the toilet paper, swallowing pennies, and sticking pliers into electrical outlets. As they age, they learn more control, and instead of throwing a ball two feet behind their backs, they'll learn how to throw a ball towards a target, and will learn to control the complex muscles in their throat and mouth which allow them to speak. It isn't a lack of muscles that keeps infants from interacting with their environments, though their muscles are very weak; rather, it is the lack of conscious control which keeps infants helpless.

With Intention Manifestation, it isn't the lack of ability to manifest that keeps people from manifesting what they desire, it is the lack of conscious action... Just as an infant can squirm around and make their basic needs known subconsciously, people can manifest events subconsciously, usually ending up with neither a gain or a loss, simply because of how random their intentions (with force) are.

The easiest way to manifest something, simply because we already understand the process, is to work physically. If we don't like seeing scarves on people's heads, then moving to a different region is the easiest way to manifest that change. If we want to receive money, then selling something is the easiest way to manifest the money.

My theory is that IM is like trying to move a desk... The very basics of IM, such as taught in The Secret, is like standing next to the desk and telling it to move. With practice, you might learn that if you put your hands on top of the desk and push, the desk might move, just as if you trusted really strong hunches, but didn't take action without those hunches, you'll gain part of what you're intending slowly and with difficulty. Putting action into IM is like pushing on the sides of the desk directly... You'll get faster and more immediate results much more easily, but many opponents of IM say that this is cheating, since you're actually doing work.

As far as polarity, if you are in the middle, then you could push the desk a foot in one direction, take a short break, then when you start pushing that desk again, you're pushing in the opposite direction... There's a lot of action, but you really aren't getting anywhere.

Anyways, sorry for the rambling. I hope that clears things up for people.

[Dharma]

In this moment, I am manifesting a laptop, electricity, a room, furnishings, air, light, sound, my body, and this forum without raising a finger.

[Jack]

Steve (Pavlina),i want to ask you a question.In subjective reality,you say that i am consciousness,and create my reality totaly.If I(consciousness) create all of my reality totaly,and i am the only creator of my reality,why can't i change people who are in my reality?If i can change them,why can't i remove their scarfes?I get really very confused

[DoAnyOfYouExist]

The more healthy thing to do would be to meditate on WHY you do not like scarf headed women and let that ************ go already. This is a ridiculous, I don't mean to be rude but this is really odd buddy, and I am a functioning lunatic ;P