Dr. David Hawkins - free audio recordings

[Sunny]

I just ran across the following free audio recordings with Dr. David Hawkins. I know there are others out there who are studying his work (hi ethereal!) so I thought I would pass them along. They are fabulous!

Hawkins recordings

Who else out there has resonated with Hawkins? Anyone know of other free Hawkins audio recordings or other resources? I just can not get enough of his work............

[Simmiah]

Thanks so much for the link!

Actually I just recently went back to Hawkins after reading his Power vs. Force about a year ago. I'm reading his latest book Truth vs. Falsehood right now & was really thinking about getting more into his work. Thanks again!

If I see anything around I will come back & post to tell everyone about any free mp3s & such.

[Sunny]

I'm reading his latest book Truth vs. Falsehood right now

I just finished Truth vs Falsehood last week. It is very powerful! I must admit that some of my positionalities were tested, especially around the current political climate (Global Warming, Bill O'Reilly, Iraq War, political parties - Democrat, Republican etc.) There were a few days when I almost stopped reading because I was so resistant. However, after spending some time with the material and listening to some of his audio calls I started to open up. So many things that baffled me in the past suddenly seem so clear, almost to the point of being comical..........

[ethereal]

Glad to see people enjoying the Doc's work!!! I am so happy

Some more free Dr. Hawkins related resources:

Forum - forum dedicated to Dr. Hawkins' teachings, as well as some members who can do calibrations. Please join and discuss with me! (I'm ethereal on there as well )

SpiritualWiki - Weblinks - large directory of Dr. Hawkins related information/audio clips/links. Unfortunately, it is in German, but the English translation (courtesy of Google) is below:
Translated version of http://de.spiritualwiki.org/Hawkins/Weblinks

DrHawkinsDevotionalDiscussionGroup : Dr. Hawkins Devotional Discussion Group - good discussion group, especially because under "Files" it contains notes from all of Dr. Hawkins' recent lectures and satsangs. Lots of useful information!

drhawkinsgroup : Dr. Hawkins Discussion Group - another useful discussion group, also contains some interesting files (but not as much as the one above)

Torrents: If you are interested, there are various torrents of Dr. Hawkins' work online if you search diligently enough. Peruse at your own discretion

Program Guide - Every thursday afternoon (5:30pm Pacific, 8:30pm Eastern) there is a discussion on Paltalk on Dr. Hawkins' work. Also, this week on Sunday (3/11) at 5:30pm Pacific there is a special discussion with one of Dr. Hawkins' close associates, Lou Marzeles. Not sure if it's ongoing or just this week, as I just found out about it.

Spiritual Exercises, Dr. David Hawkins, ACIM, Online Conference, Offering Love, and Fear of Death - exercises related to Dr. Hawkins' work taught by Ellen Sutherland (also part of ACIMgather)

Ellen & Jane - audio archives of talks given by Ellen and Jane of ACIMgather

Myswizard - another spiritual teacher dedicated to Dr. Hawkins' work, lots of good articles

Sir David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D. - (Official?) Home page of Dr. Hawkins. You can sign up for free satsangs and paid lectures every 2 months if you can travel to his hometown in Sedona, AZ. Especially check out audio samples of his satsangs:

Sir David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

http://achieveradio.com/archplayer.php?showname=The%20Happy%20Healers%20Ar chives%2010/3/2005&ShowURL=http://audio.achieveradio.com/alex/alex_10-3-05_ARCHIVE.mp3|D. Hawkins March 10, 2005
The Happy Healers Archives 10/3/2005
D. Hawkins is interviewed by Alex Hermosillo

VeritasNetwork.com - web site with directory of local Dr. Hawkins study groups

Veritas Publishing - Website to buy all of Dr. Hawkins' products

Phew, that took awhile but if it helped anyone at all I am overjoyed

[dor]

Originally Posted by Sunny

I just finished Truth vs Falsehood last week.

Does the good doctor go into the falsehood of getting a degree from a diploma mill?

[Sunny]

Torrents: If you are interested, there are various torrents of Dr. Hawkins' work online if you search diligently enough. Peruse at your own discretion

Thanks ethereal! What is a "torrent"? Have you ever seen Dr. Hawkins in person?

[ethereal]

Originally Posted by Sunny

Thanks ethereal! What is a "torrent"? Have you ever seen Dr. Hawkins in person?

see BitTorrent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And no, I haven't, but I plan to go to his September Lecture that is catered especially to newcomers who have not gone to one of his lectures/seminars (see September):
Sir David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

The neat thing is, you can also go to the September Satsang during the same week, so it's almost like a 2-for-1

Originally Posted by dor

Does the good doctor go into the falsehood of getting a degree from a diploma mill?

Before you judge too fast, check out his full list of accomplishments:

David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

Frankly it shouldn't even matter, as long as his work helps improve your life

[Antiventurecapital]

Originally Posted by ethereal

Sir David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

Sir? As in a knight?

Joe Vitale needs to get himself a knighthood too.

[dor]

Originally Posted by ethereal

see
Before you judge too fast, check out his full list of accomplishments:

David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

Frankly it shouldn't even matter, as long as his work helps improve your life

if it shouldn't matter than why does he get a fake degree? That's my problem with him -I started reading his book and put it down because it was utter nonsense I am open to new ideas - to wild theories about the universe and reality - but not pseudo scientific non sense.

Source of Ph.D.
David R. Hawkins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Admitted to the program on March 21, 1991, Hawkins received his Ph.D. in Health and Human Services on September 30, 1995 from Columbia Pacific University (CPU).[57] CPU was never accredited but it was at that time still approved to operate by the State of California. CPU's approval was revoked in December 1995 after a period of review and response following CPU's application in 1994; pending appeals, CPU was authorized to issue degrees through June 25, 1997 [58]. California's Deputy Attorney General Asher Rubin called CPU "a diploma mill" as well as "a consumer fraud, a complete scam" and a "phony operation" which offered "totally worthless [degrees]...to enrich its unprincipled promoters."[59][60] The Associated Press reported that the state had been trying to shut down the correspondence school almost from the day it opened, saying CPU "had virtually no academic standards."[61] Neither in his books nor on his website does Hawkins disclose the source of his Ph.D. In response, stating to be reinstalled into worldliness as an "ordinary man" after a decade of seclusion, Hawkins explains his engagement for an additional title due to the "credibility problem in society". Two "Dr. Dr.s" would grant "greater fire power to the truth" of what he has to say.[62]

Hawkins' CPU faculty mentor was Sheldon Deal, a chiropractor who was a former chairman (1978 to 1983[63]) of the International College of Applied Kinesiology (ICAK). Chiropractic researchers who reviewed the studies that came out of ICAK concluded that “no valid conclusions could be drawn concerning their report of findings“.[64]

where did he get his 'sir' title from ? Sealand?

[dor]

Originally Posted by dor

where did he get his 'sir' title from ? Sealand?

I was close:

Knighthood
Hawkins states that he has been knighted by a "Danish Order,"[70] however, the current Deputy Private Secretary to Her Majesty the Queen of Denmark, Bjarne E. Pedersen, states to the contrary that the order referenced by Hawkins is not of Danish origin

FootballThe Sealand national football team is represented by the Danish team Vestbjerg Vintage Idrætsforening.

Why does he have this stuff? Edison created great inventions - he didn't need a phoney doctrate and fake sir title. His work stood stood on its own merits. Same goes for great writers and artists. Frauds hide behind titles.

[Sunny]

If you resonate more with the criticism of Dr. Hawkins and would like to find more you can do so by going to Wikipedia, typing in David Hawkins and scrolling down to the very bottom of the page. You can also do a search on "criticism of David Hawkins" in any search engine. There is quite a bit of stuff there, a lot of which I have read.

I personally resonate much more with his work and find it fascinating though extremely challenging. I have read three of his books in the last month (Power vs Force, Transcending the Levels of Consciousness, Truth vs Falsehood) and am currently in the middle of The Eye of the I and am looking forward to I - Reality and Subjectivity. I have also listened to quite a few of his audio calls where he addresses the current issues of the day. The impact his work has had on my spiritual growth has been profound. I look forward to seeing where it leads me.

It doesn't really matter if you resonate with the criticism, the work, a little of both or could really care less all together. Once you move beyond linear, dualistic thinking you realize that no position is right or wrong, and wherever you fall is the perfect place for you....................

[dor]

Originally Posted by Sunny

no position is right or wrong,...................

I guess when you believe there is no rigth or wrong you can claim to be a doctor and a knight when you're aren't one. In my dualistic world, it's called lying.

[Simmiah]

Originally Posted by Sunny

I just finished Truth vs Falsehood last week. It is very powerful! I must admit that some of my positionalities were tested, especially around the current political climate (Global Warming, Bill O'Reilly, Iraq War, political parties - Democrat, Republican etc.) There were a few days when I almost stopped reading because I was so resistant. However, after spending some time with the material and listening to some of his audio calls I started to open up. So many things that baffled me in the past suddenly seem so clear, almost to the point of being comical..........

I'm only partway through the book but I did thumb through some of the backpages which sort of influenced me buying it. There were some parts I wasn't so sure of but..maybe upon re-reading (I was skimming) it will become more clear for me.

I will say I am truly surprised at how much of what I already intuit in everyday life is expressed in Hawkin's book. I did thumb through the political party calibrations & was not surprised at how some of the extremists calibrated. I also thumbed through his calibrations of the distributions at different geographic locales & was not surprised to see my prior residence (I lived in Southern California an hour out of Hollywood) calibrate so poorly. I had many reasons to move one of which was the area was no longer resonating well with me.

I have also found tremendously interesting was Hawkin's calibrations of various parts of the Bible.

Ethereal: Thanks much for the links! I will be checking out the forum. I have quite a few questions such as:

Does the wording of Hawkin's statements determine the calibration? I ask this because well, when I was looking at his calibration of "people who do not vote" (sorry not word for word but paraphrased) they calibrated below 200. That is interesting to me because many people do not vote such as..well, the host of this forum Steve! He has stated his reasons for not voting & they do not suggest fear or anger.

Perhaps my question is not so much regarding wording but regarding what each category represents. Does the category of "people who do not vote" include Steve or... does it reference perhaps the group of people who are just apathetic or feel powerless in light of a larger problem? This is a question that has come up for me in reading Truth vs. Falsehood.

Okay well that's all for now! Thanks again for the links!

[ethereal]

Simmiah, regarding your question:

Yes, not only does it depend on the wording of the statements, but more importantly it depends on what is held in mind when calibrating, and that usually has a very wide disparity so these calibrations must be taken with a grain of salt and common sense. The Doc himself had been calibrating for over 20 years when he realized that he got different calibrations when accidentally holding in mind different things, i.e. an African elephant vs. a circus elephant.

More specifically about the voting question, my intuition tells me that you've got it right: the calibration of "people who do not vote" is just an averaging of the consciousness mindset in that particular situation, i.e. when people think about not voting they usually think that it's too bothersome, or that it won't change the results anyway, etc., as opposed to the mindset of people who do vote would usually calibrate over 200+ just by being proactive. Thus it doesn't say anything about the people individually or even in aggregate, but just the consciousness level of people in that particular "situation".

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by Simmiah

Does the wording of Hawkin's statements determine the calibration? I ask this because well, when I was looking at his calibration of "people who do not vote" (sorry not word for word but paraphrased) they calibrated below 200. That is interesting to me because many people do not vote such as..well, the host of this forum Steve! He has stated his reasons for not voting & they do not suggest fear or anger.

Perhaps my question is not so much regarding wording but regarding what each category represents. Does the category of "people who do not vote" include Steve or... does it reference perhaps the group of people who are just apathetic or feel powerless in light of a larger problem? This is a question that has come up for me in reading Truth vs. Falsehood.

That is interesting because the exact same question came up for me when I was reading the section on voting. Hawkins has a chart on page 116 showing conciousness level and voting in the 2004 election, but it doesn't go higher than 415 and it didn't really make sense to me. Were either of you able to understand this one?

Other than on the Rapid Fire blog, does Steve address his ideas on voting anywhere else?

[Mr. Punch]

Hawkins is a mystery to me...

Steve actually recommends his book Power vs Force and I got hold of it some time ago. If we are to take Hawkins' claims serious and not just categorize his theories as pure speculation then his method of calibration, applied kinesiology, must be sound.

Does anyone here have any personal experience with applied kinesiology or know of any studies that backs it up? What about you, ethereal?

[ethereal]

I personally don't, but I know many people online who do. It takes years of practice to get consistent results. The reason Dr. Hawkins and his audiences can consistently do calibrations is because of the spiritual energy field emanating from the Doc (similar to those emanating from other spiritual gurus) that, shall we say, "sets up" the conditions necessary for it to work. Those conditions are documented in the appendices of Dr. Hawkins' work, but I'll list some pointers:

1) the intention of the testers/testees with regards to the question at hand must be integrous. This is a biggie, because most "scientific studies" are those trying to either prove or disprove the theory, and by definition the intention behind it is already non-integrous (wanting the outcome to be a certain way). This is why skeptics who try to use it, cannot do so, and they just claim all of it is bunk because they themselves can't do it Intellectual egotism is pretty rampant all over the world
2) both people must calibrate over 200 (further research shows that for more accurate results, both must be over 480 or so)

This makes it pretty hard for anybody to use it and consistently get results which is why using scientific studies to "prove" these things is kinda hard. Dr. Hawkins already explained that the basis for the kinesiologic test itself is non-linear and cannot be explained linearly by science.

As for proof, try tracking down one of Dr. Hawkins' lecture videos where he gets the audience to split up into pairs and calibrate things. There is no logical reason why everybody would get the same answer (especially with blind and double-blind tests), yet they still consistently do.

[dor]

Originally Posted by ethereal

As for proof, try tracking down one of Dr. Hawkins' lecture videos where he gets the audience to split up into pairs and calibrate things. There is no logical reason why everybody would get the same answer (especially with blind and double-blind tests), yet they still consistently do.

I started reading that book, put it down about half way through, i have never read such utter nonsense in my life. i couldn't believe the likes of lea iococca recommened it- perhaps that's a false claim like his 'knighhood' and doctrate


Applied kinesiology

Mainstream scientists and scientific skeptics, notably professor of philosophy and author of The Skeptic's Dictionary, Robert Todd Carroll, state that AK's results are triggered by ideomotor effect and recognize Hawkins' use of applied kinesiology to be a pseudoscience when scrutinized with the scientific method. This is evidenced by double-blind studies, including some that found AK to be "no more useful than random guessing," as well as additional research and reviews contained in the National Library of Medicine and National Institutes of Health. [46][47][48] [49] [50] [51] [52]
Since the publication of Power vs. Force in 1995, wherein Hawkins deemed AK as a “well-established science“ (Introduction, p. 29) being capable of universal replication, he now refers to it as a right brain exploration, which is neither arithmetic, nor even mathematical, and is not open to reason, logic or proof. According to Hawkins, AK-tested results are derived from a field of multi-millions interacting factors; some known, some unknown. Although Hawkins reports to have carried out large-scale scientific testing of his version of AK methodology mostly with the audiences at his seminars that showed a high degree of accuracy, his perspectives are controversial.[53] [54] Hawkins' AK research has not been published in peer-reviewed journals, nor did he provide double-blind studies of his own to eliminate observer-expectancy effect; whereas, one study, which was not double-blind, appears to support some aspects of his hypothesis.[55]

Scientific skeptics point out that Hawkins' teachings beg the question, and that he turns to the means of ad hoc hypotheses in order to rescue his alternative approach from falsification. Hawkins' version of AK (rated by him at 605 or nonlinearity) does not provide provable empirically precise statements or outlooks, thereby eluding verification and scientific method and fails to meet the criteria for an empirical science (rated by him at 400 to max. 499 or linearity).[56]
David R. Hawkins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Sunny]

I have seen it demonstrated before a live audience of over a thousand people. It was not Hawkins himself, but they were using the method based on Power vs Force. They asked for a volunteer and then did a number of different muscle tests. The whole experience was quite astonishing, enough to make me go hmmmmmm? After reading the books and listening to a number of audio calls I have decided to join a local study group which meets in a few weeks. I am really looking forward to the experience, though I don't know exactly what to expect.

I don't have the interest in or intention to try to "prove" Hawkins theories to anyone. That concept of proving something to be right or wrong comes from the dualistic paradigm that I personally no longer find to be effective in my life. If his work does not resonate with you that is totally cool. You can find plenty of information out there to support your thinking. If his work does resonate with you that is totally cool too. Play around with it in your life with the intention to seek Truth and see what happens. Neither perspective is right or wrong and whatever you believe is perfect for you.

I must admit that I do really enjoy the opportunity presented in this thread to practice not getting pulled into dualistic thinking. Non-linear, non-dualistic thinking is a new paradigm for me so this has been great! I am beginning to recognize both dualistic thinking and the impact that it has by engaging my ego - not the experience I want to have anymore. I still get pulled into it, but my awareness has put me in a much more powerful place. I feel so much more peace and happiness in my life and I know it is just going to get better and better!

[dor]

sunny, let me again ask you, why do you think Hawkins has to lie about his 'knighthood' and diploma mill degree? doesn't that strike you as fraudulent? why do you title this thread 'dr' that's an insult to real doctors who actually did the work to get doctorates.

Why is he so concerned about these 'superficial' dualistic, whatever, titles? Why does he try to present himself as sanctioned by society?

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by dor

sunny, let me again ask you, why do you think Hawkins has to lie about his 'knighthood' and diploma mill degree? doesn't that strike you as fraudulent? why do you title this thread 'dr' that's an insult to real doctors who actually did the work to get doctorates.

Why is he so concerned about these 'superficial' dualistic, whatever, titles? Why does he try to present himself as sanctioned by society?

I mean this with the best of intention, but your dualistic thinking is down right comical to me. I personally have no interest in it other than the fact that it is great practice for me. I know it is serving a purpose in my growth and that must be why I have created this experience. Wow, this whole thing is pretty cool!

By the way, how do you always manage to respond to messages so quickly? It seems like I hit the submit reply button, then refresh my browser and within seconds there is a message from you. I am starting to wonder if you are even real? Now things are starting to get interesting.......... My calibration level is rising as I type this response I think I am starting to lose my mind! Which of course is the ultimate goal..............

[dor]

Originally Posted by Sunny

By the way, how do you always manage to respond to messages so quickly? I.

dualistic thought questions like this are of no interest to me., in fact, dont take this the wrong way it's downright comical

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by dor

dualistic thought questions like this are of no interest to me., in fact, dont take this the wrong way it's downright comical

You are right! It is dualistic and comical. I didn't even think of it that way until you pointed it out. We agree on something.........

I haven't really integrated that whole space and time don't exist thing yet. I will have to work on that next............

[Simmiah]

Originally Posted by dor

sunny, let me again ask you, why do you think Hawkins has to lie about his 'knighthood' and diploma mill degree? doesn't that strike you as fraudulent? why do you title this thread 'dr' that's an insult to real doctors who actually did the work to get doctorates.

Why is he so concerned about these 'superficial' dualistic, whatever, titles? Why does he try to present himself as sanctioned by society?

Normally I ignore these kinds of posts but here's a suggestion dor.. I would love to just use this thread to discuss & discern in relation to Hawkin's work. If you desire to discuss criticism of Hawkins why not start another thread? I am sure there are many out there who are willing to discuss & congregate with you! In fact it could be an enlightening experience.

However your desire to so willingly come into a pro-Hawkins thread & just dissent makes no sense to me. It is like me attending an anti-war march. Why bother if I'll just be upset or desire (ego talking!) to change the people's minds so readily? I do wonder, what is your motivation for coming here & posting such comments?

& I'm not asking you for what your head says but what your heart says. I suspect it is a negative feeling motivating you & not what your head says which is probably something along the lines of "I must prove to these dumb people how dis-integrous Hawkins is!" or "I must prove how horrible he is!"..think about it.

[Simmiah]

Originally Posted by ethereal

I personally don't, but I know many people online who do. It takes years of practice to get consistent results. The reason Dr. Hawkins and his audiences can consistently do calibrations is because of the spiritual energy field emanating from the Doc (similar to those emanating from other spiritual gurus) that, shall we say, "sets up" the conditions necessary for it to work. Those conditions are documented in the appendices of Dr. Hawkins' work, but I'll list some pointers:

1) the intention of the testers/testees with regards to the question at hand must be integrous. This is a biggie, because most "scientific studies" are those trying to either prove or disprove the theory, and by definition the intention behind it is already non-integrous (wanting the outcome to be a certain way). This is why skeptics who try to use it, cannot do so, and they just claim all of it is bunk because they themselves can't do it Intellectual egotism is pretty rampant all over the world
2) both people must calibrate over 200 (further research shows that for more accurate results, both must be over 480 or so)

This makes it pretty hard for anybody to use it and consistently get results which is why using scientific studies to "prove" these things is kinda hard. Dr. Hawkins already explained that the basis for the kinesiologic test itself is non-linear and cannot be explained linearly by science.

As for proof, try tracking down one of Dr. Hawkins' lecture videos where he gets the audience to split up into pairs and calibrate things. There is no logical reason why everybody would get the same answer (especially with blind and double-blind tests), yet they still consistently do.

This reminds me of the concepts brought up in the "What the Bleep do we Know" movie. & further discussed in the sections of the book I'm right now reading when Hawkins talks about how Reason calibration 400 is limited from reaching level 500 Love due to not accepting that science is limited by the cause-effect concept & does not take into consideration the effect of the observer.

I would love to be able to calibrate on my own but taking into consideration the effects of myself on my results.. I do wonder if I could effectively apply kinesiology.

I will say when I first read Power vs. Force I did the same experiment Wayne Dyer did in his lectures. I actually tested my music CDs & utilized both of my parents to conduct my little "experiment". We consistently garnered the same results... regardless of how much I randomized the CDs (my parents had their eyes closed) & I also used sugar vs. aspartame & got consistent results. I do think there are some calibrations that consistently obtain the same results...so I wonder what attempted calibrations the skeptics themselves were unable to consistently have work. Or...if their skepticism (close-mindedness) prevented them from proving the work due to their intense desire to dis-prove the work.

I can definitely second that science has its limits as I've seen it with my own eyes working in a laboratory as a student that many scientific studies can be all over the place with their results...now I believe that the results being so erratic also had to do with the original intentions of the scientists conducting each experiment. Some scientists were definitely searching for the truth whereas others had some personal vendettas they were attempting to fulfill.

[dor]

Originally Posted by Simmiah

Normally I ignore these kinds of posts but here's a suggestion dor.. ......
However your desire to so willingly come into a pro-Hawkins thread & just dissent makes no sense to me. It is like me attending an anti-war march. Why bother if I'll just be upset or desire (ego talking!) to change the people's minds so readily? I do wonder, what is your motivation for coming here & posting such comments?

Do you post reviews on Amazon? I do. When I like a book, I write a postive review to encourage people to buy it, even though i don't make any money off of it.
Likewise, when I buy a book I don't like, I will post a 'negative' review saying why I didn't hopefully saving people who see likewise a few dollars.
As I said, I began reading his book, power vs. force and found it so full of pseudo science that I honestly felt cheated -cheated - that I paid money for it and people recommended it -lee ioccoca? Or did Hawkins make that up too?. I sort of felt guilty re-selling it on ebay.

I find it funny that none of you can comment about his fake degree and his fake knighthood- to me that's a sure sign of fraud, and interestingly he creates a cult like mindset in his followers that as evidenced in this thread. i am just going to ignore what you said dor, because it's dualistic

If his work was purely spirtual not making scientific claims I wouldn't comment on it, but my posting here is to simply make people aware of these facts, I would do the same if someone posted something about the "dr" EMoto and his fraud -and fake degree
Like I said you addressing him as doctor is an insult to people who have actually studied and worked for those degrees.

I believe the world and mind are much more complex and powerful and spirtual than science and sketpics currently asses - and I am perfectly willing and wanting to explore new ideas, but psedu science and frauds tarnish the whole area of spirtuality, pd, Im and all that' 'stuff'

happy?

[Simmiah]

Originally Posted by Sunny

That is interesting because the exact same question came up for me when I was reading the section on voting. Hawkins has a chart on page 116 showing conciousness level and voting in the 2004 election, but it doesn't go higher than 415 and it didn't really make sense to me. Were either of you able to understand this one?

I'm not sure what you are asking for but here's how I'm approaching this particular chart. I believe he did not go above log 500 because none of the groups he considered were above...neither is the majority of the people in any of the politically generalized groups.

The breakdown of the chart made sense to me as did Hawkin's explanation of the Democrats being slightly lower due to their attempts to integrate below 200 concepts into their platform.

Here's what is interesting for me in regards to this chart. Hawkins refers to the Conservatives as being the highest calibrated on the chart .. 415. Growing up I lived in Orange County which is referenced to consistently as the conservative stronghaven. I was exposed to both positive/negative of the majority's outlook politically & classified it under my category of "conservative." However, I don't believe that what I originally defined negatively as conservative is what Hawkins is referencing.

Anyways I do wonder who/what he is referencing by conservative as he is not classifying Republicans as conservative. They are listed separately.

I do believe Hawkins is calibrating each political group's platform/representation of themselves during the 2004 election. Like I wrote above I have had extensive experiences with some extremist liberals..who were very prideful & sometimes scary. So I am not surprised that they calibrated below 200. Actually it confirmed for me what my experience already told me.

[Simmiah]

Originally Posted by dor

Do you post reviews on Amazon? I do. When I like a book, I write a postive review to encourage people to buy it, even though i don't make any money off of it.
Likewise, when I buy a book I don't like, I will post a 'negative' review saying why I didn't hopefully saving people who see likewise a few dollars.
As I said, I began reading his book, power vs. force and found it so full of pseudo science that I honestly felt cheated -cheated - that I paid money for it and people recommended it -lee ioccoca? Or did Hawkins make that up too?. I sort of felt guilty re-selling it on ebay.

I find it funny that none of you can comment about his fake degree and his fake knighthood- to me that's a sure sign of fraud, and interestingly he creates a cult like mindset in his followers that as evidenced in this thread. i am just going to ignore what you said dor, because it's dualistic

If his work was purely spirtual not making scientific claims I wouldn't comment on it, but my posting here is to simply make people aware of these facts, I would do the same if someone posted something about the "dr" EMoto and his fraud -and fake degree
Like I said you addressing him as doctor is an insult to people who have actually studied and worked for those degrees.

I believe the world and mind are much more complex and powerful and spirtual than science and sketpics currently asses - and I am perfectly willing and wanting to explore new ideas, but psedu science and frauds tarnish the whole area of spirtuality, pd, Im and all that' 'stuff'

happy?

Nope! Because you seem very negatively motivated. That's the feeling I get when I read your postings...which is why I finally addressed your comments because it definitely seems like you already had your agenda posting which you openly admitted to in the above post.

Dr. Hawkins has a MD. That is a medical degree. There. I addressed your skeptical quote. In regards to knight-hood..honestly I didn't even notice he had a knighthood. Honestly does it make me think of him highly? No. Because I don't gauge people's integrity by their titles..however people who are easily mis-led may... is that my problem? No.

For example I have a bachelors degree. I studied entomology. Am I an expert in entomology? No. However do some people perhaps think more highly of my intellect than I would have them think? Yes that has happened. Is that my fault? No.

PhD aside..I really honestly don't give a arse because I read Steve's blog & he doesn't have an MD or PhD but because some of what Steve states resonates with me.

In regards to Hawkins creating a cult-like following that is not his responsibility. If you honestly think about it, anyone can have a bunch of followers following them around & merely repeating what they say like drones. It is a common phenomenon created by the people who follow & not the original thinker. Take this example: Jesus came down. Was born..say hypothetically speaking. Let's say Jesus taught very highly spiritual concepts. Okay. Well, what happened when Jesus died? Other people wrote his ideas down & mis-interpreted them in accordance with their own internal frameworks.

Is Hawkins responsible for people mis-understanding his concepts? No. Is he responsible for those who are powerless & naive? No. It seems you are not aware that others can take care of themselves quite easily & for those who cannot.. experience will teach them far better than any single skeptic could.

Like I said.. I repeat. If you want to start an anti-Hawkins thread feel free to! This is a free forum w/ free speech but.. I find your postings dor to be very in line with what I call.. "thread hijacking"...which is nothing more than a type of trolling in my personal opinion.

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Originally Posted by Simmiah

Nope! Because you seem very negatively motivated. That's the feeling I get when I read your postings...which is why I finally addressed your comments because it definitely seems like you already had your agenda posting which you openly admitted to in the above post.

Dr. Hawkins has a MD. That is a medical degree. There. I addressed your skeptical quote.

NO he doesn't have a MD,he got his diploma from a degree mill.

Source of Ph.D.

Admitted to the program on March 21, 1991, Hawkins received his Ph.D. in Health and Human Services on September 30, 1995 from Columbia Pacific University (CPU).[57] CPU was never accredited but it was at that time still approved to operate by the State of California. CPU's approval was revoked in December 1995 after a period of review and response following CPU's application in 1994; pending appeals, CPU was authorized to issue degrees through June 25, 1997 [58]. California's Deputy Attorney General Asher Rubin called CPU "a diploma mill" as well as "a consumer fraud, a complete scam" and a "phony operation" which offered "totally worthless [degrees]...to enrich its unprincipled promoters."[59][60] The Associated Press reported that the state had been trying to shut down the correspondence school almost from the day it opened, saying CPU "had virtually no academic standards."[61] Neither in his books nor on his website does Hawkins disclose the source of his Ph.D. In response, stating to be reinstalled into worldliness as an "ordinary man" after a decade of seclusion, Hawkins explains his engagement for an additional title due to the "credibility problem in society". Two "Dr. Dr.s" would grant "greater fire power to the truth" of what he has to say.[62]
David R. Hawkins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

David R. Hawkins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

he also claims he was knighted
Knighthood

Hawkins states that he has been knighted by a "Danish Order,"[70] however, the current Deputy Private Secretary to Her Majesty the Queen of Denmark, Bjarne E. Pedersen, states to the contrary that the order referenced by Hawkins is not of Danish origin.[

why does he have to lie? Why does he pretend to be a PHD when he isn't

[ethereal]

Suffice it to say, I don't think an enlightened being even cares whether he's a Ph.D. or not. Perhaps he didn't even put the Ph.D. and Sir stuff on there, but his webmasters and editors. In fact, I think that is most likely the case; other people, thinking that it would be helpful to put the Doc in the best possible light, put it on there, and he didn't notice or bother or cares one way or another. Who knows? Who cares?

I don't think a single person bought his books for the reason that he is a Ph.D. or a knight. I also don't think a single person who has read his books and got something out of them would object to him lying about these things, even if he did lie. So why the fuss?

Don't project your own unconscious belief systems onto others and onto the world. I don't mean this as a personal attack or to defend the Doc, but as a possible area for an honest self-inventory. I feel saddened that your insistence on logical proof and "moral righteousness" (according to your own egoic beliefs) is preventing you from getting the immense spiritual benefit provided in his books.