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Old 12-10-2011, 10:21 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Yes it is acting, and I have studied it (more independently that anything). My preferred "technique" is called Practical Aesthetics created by David Mamet, and for my money is the most simple, straightforward and demystifying path to acting there is, surpassing the Method and Stanislavski system.
Hehe, I wouldn't know about any of that yet. It's easy to lose sight of the goal, which is to get on with an agent and go to auditions and all of that. That's what going to classes helps you with.

At least, that's what they told me at class, and I know it was a good class because a fairly successful indie director sent me there. I do know that no amount of reading will get you a job.
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Hehe, I wouldn't know about any of that yet. It's easy to lose sight of the goal, which is to get on with an agent and go to auditions and all of that. That's what going to classes helps you with.

At least, that's what they told me at class, and I know it was a good class because a fairly successful indie director sent me there. I do know that no amount of reading will get you a job.
I've done a couple of (really) short films, and I made it into the Muppet Movie for at least 15 seconds, and the trailer too, so I was on TV all the time lol...........

Also, I have a friend moving down to LA in the coming months so I can stay there for longer stretches of time.
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I've done a couple of (really) short films, and I made it into the Muppet Movie for at least 15 seconds, and the trailer too, so I was on TV all the time lol...........

Also, I have a friend moving down to LA in the coming months so I can stay there for longer stretches of time.
Cool man, keep at it!
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Cool man, keep at it!
Thanks, I just have to understand why I'm so hesitant. Something about it scares the living $h!t out of me.

I know why I'm interested in it, but don't know why I only pursue it on such a small level.

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I'm entering the acting field myself, so that's an interesting synchronicity. My advice to you would be to figure out what role you want to play on set and go from there. If it's acting, then you'll want to ask a director where the best school to go to to learn is. That's what I did, and I'm in classes now.
Yay!...you're gonna do really well.
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Thanks, I just have to understand why I'm so hesitant. Something about it scares the living $h!t out of me.

I know why I'm interested in it, but don't know why I only pursue it on such a small level.
Fear is an excellent target for self-inquiry. Keep at it until you figure out why it scares you so much.

For me, I kept away from entertainment because of the whole stereotype where people go to Hollywood and get used and abused and end up as waiters at 40. I had to get over that before I could seriously consider getting into it. That dynamic only happens to people who really take "making it big" so seriously that it becomes possible for someone to stagnate for that long.
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Yay!...you're gonna do really well.
Thanks!

My current plan is to keep taking classes and get in a few gigs and my foot in the door. Then I'll scheme a way to move to LA.
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Fear is an excellent target for self-inquiry. Keep at it until you figure out why it scares you so much.

For me, I kept away from entertainment because of the whole stereotype where people go to Hollywood and get used and abused and end up as waiters at 40. I had to get over that before I could seriously consider getting into it. That dynamic only happens to people who really take "making it big" so seriously that it becomes possible for someone to stagnate for that long.
Focus on the fear and the source will reveal itself...got it.

I can tell you from my one experience that were nothing but people like you described working as extras there. Everyone was talking about either their drug addictions, the amount, and quality of theater school they acquired, or how they were only doing this pitiful gig as a favor to the producer.

It was funny because my friend and I literally snuck onto the set (El Capitan theater) and ended up in the movie....pretty crazy story but to long to get into here.
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Fear is an excellent target for self-inquiry. Keep at it until you figure out why it scares you so much.

For me, I kept away from entertainment because of the whole stereotype where people go to Hollywood and get used and abused and end up as waiters at 40. I had to get over that before I could seriously consider getting into it. That dynamic only happens to people who really take "making it big" so seriously that it becomes possible for someone to stagnate for that long.
Absolutely. When you simply focus on the love and fun of the acting and 'being' a performer part, (the 'actual' reason you gravitate towards this) all the rest will just fall into place.

Truly Vince, I could sense your 'star quality' the first time we conversed...I actually thought you were already doing it...it feels to me like once you get into it, you'll realize you're 'home'....that you have always been a performer...a star! Keep me posted....haha...I'll be expecting you to pop up on a nearby screen in the not so distant future.
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Focus on the fear and the source will reveal itself...got it.

I can tell you from my one experience that were nothing but people like you described working as extras there. Everyone was talking about either their drug addictions, the amount, and quality of theater school they acquired, or how they were only doing this pitiful gig as a favor to the producer.

It was funny because my friend and I literally snuck onto the set (El Capitan theater) and ended up in the movie....pretty crazy story but to long to get into here.
One book you might want to read to help you deal with the fear is The 50th Law by 50 cent and Robert Greene. He explains how to avoid these traps and how to focus on getting the results you're looking for and how to end-run around people who give you problems.

Personally, I find focusing on higher consciousness ala David Hawkins to be more powerful, over the long run. In the short run though practical advice is more immediately useful.

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Absolutely. When you simply focus on the love and fun of the acting and 'being' a performer part, (the 'actual' reason you gravitate towards this) all the rest will just fall into place.

Truly Vince, I could sense your 'star quality' the first time we conversed...I actually thought you were already doing it...it feels to me like once you get into it, you'll realize you're 'home'....that you have always been a performer...a star! Keep me posted....haha...I'll be expecting you to pop up on a nearby screen in the not so distant future.
I can't wait to prove you right!
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One book you might want to read to help you deal with the fear is The 50th Law by 50 cent and Robert Greene. He explains how to avoid these traps and how to focus on getting the results you're looking for and how to end-run around people who give you problems.

Personally, I find focusing on higher consciousness ala David Hawkins to be more powerful, over the long run. In the short run though practical advice is more immediately useful.
I will absolutely look for that book.

Honestly, I bristled at my experience at first due to the behavior of the other extras, but then I looked over and saw Jason Segel and how he behaved and goofed off with everyone, and how he made the time fun for people. Thats when I remembered, and saw first hand that filmmaking is an enjoyable collaborative process, not a resume recitation.
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I will absolutely look for that book.

Honestly, I bristled at my experience at first due to the behavior of the other extras, but then I looked over and saw Jason Segel and how he behaved and goofed off with everyone, and how he made the time fun for people. Thats when I remembered, and saw first hand that filmmaking is an enjoyable collaborative process, not a resume recitation.
Totally!

Another one to look out for is The Art of Seduction, again by Robert Greene. This one deals directly with operating on the level you need to to evoke emotional reactions from people, a necessity if you want to make good impressions on people, both on camera and off.
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Totally!

Another one to look out for is The Art of Seduction, again by Robert Greene. This one deals directly with operating on the level you need to to evoke emotional reactions from people, a necessity if you want to make good impressions on people, both on camera and off.
I'll pick up that one too.

I want to start an acting thread now....lol.
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First chapter of Power vs Force is pretty dense.
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Did a few calibrations by myself, don't know if they're accurate but its an interesting process.
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Did a few calibrations by myself, don't know if they're accurate but its an interesting process.
Accuracy isn't as important as the teaching value. You can work in two directions here. You can read an 'official' calibration, and try to figure out why something calibrates at a certain level, treating the calibration as golden and your understanding as suspect.

Or you could work in the other direction. Find something you're interested in and give it a numeric calibration using muscle testing or self-inquiry. (your ability to calibrate using self-inquiry may not come to the surface until you've worked with the scale extensively using the previous method) Then you could treat the calibration as suspect and your understanding as golden, and try to figure out why you would consider something at the level you calibrated it at.

There are two skills to work on here. There's both the ability to calibrate accurately, which you train by doing lots of calibrations so that you lose your attachment to any one particular calibration. And then there's the ability to understand the calibration, which is done by studying the scale itself and contemplating the nature of a graduated, 1000 point scale that anything and everything has a place on.
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Accuracy isn't as important as the teaching value. You can work in two directions here. You can read an 'official' calibration, and try to figure out why something calibrates at a certain level, treating the calibration as golden and your understanding as suspect.

Or you could work in the other direction. Find something you're interested in and give it a numeric calibration using muscle testing or self-inquiry. (your ability to calibrate using self-inquiry may not come to the surface until you've worked with the scale extensively using the previous method) Then you could treat the calibration as suspect and your understanding as golden, and try to figure out why you would consider something at the level you calibrated it at.

There are two skills to work on here. There's both the ability to calibrate accurately, which you train by doing lots of calibrations so that you lose your attachment to any one particular calibration. And then there's the ability to understand the calibration, which is done by studying the scale itself and contemplating the nature of a graduated, 1000 point scale that anything and everything has a place on.

I did a calibration for myself, asked permission first. It came out at 444 which seems high to me.

I also asked how many times I've incarnated.
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I did a calibration for myself, asked permission first. It came out at 444 which seems high to me.

I also asked how many times I've incarnated.
Self-calibrations are problematic. You're almost always going to get a wrong answer through muscle testing because it's virtually impossible to perform the procedure in the disinterested fashion required. 444 does seem high, I've got you right around 300-310, at the cusp of Willingness.

I don't know how the answer you'd get to the second question would be meaningful, even if it were accurate. Asking good questions is much more important than getting good answers, as even a wrong answer to the right question is still a net positive step in the consciousness direction.
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Self-calibrations are problematic. You're almost always going to get a wrong answer through muscle testing because it's virtually impossible to perform the procedure in the disinterested fashion required. 444 does seem high, I've got you right around 300-310, at the cusp of Willingness.

I don't know how the answer you'd get to the second question would be meaningful, even if it were accurate. Asking good questions is much more important than getting good answers, as even a wrong answer to the right question is still a net positive step in the consciousness direction.
Sounds more like it.

I was also asking about career direction but wasn't sure of the answer.

Was trying the self-inquiry as you pointed out, but I'm still mulling it over.
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Sounds more like it.

I was also asking about career direction but wasn't sure of the answer.

Was trying the self-inquiry as you pointed out, but I'm still mulling it over.
Self inquiry can take a long time before it begins to answer the questions you're asking yourself. Be patient and follow your own rabbit hole wherever it leads.
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Self inquiry can take a long time before it begins to answer the questions you're asking yourself. Be patient and follow your own rabbit hole wherever it leads.
Yeah, I think I'll also look into getting a book or and search the internet to better grasp self-inquiry.

As of right now I've been asking myself a question for few days and haven't really had a feeling as to why these feelings crept up.
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Yeah, I think I'll also look into getting a book or and search the internet to better grasp self-inquiry.

As of right now I've been asking myself a question for few days and haven't really had a feeling as to why these feelings crept up.
There's nothing special about it. You just keep plumbing down into the depths of your mind until you find the answers you seek. They're rarely where you look for them, there are always unconscious elements to our desires that we need to discover.

All a book is going to do is give you a few methods that worked for one person, and maybe a narrative as to what that did for them. One good high-calibrating master who was an advocate of self-inquiry is Nisargadatta Maharaj.
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There's nothing special about it. You just keep plumbing down into the depths of your mind until you find the answers you seek. They're rarely where you look for them, there are always unconscious elements to our desires that we need to discover.

All a book is going to do is give you a few methods that worked for one person, and maybe a narrative as to what that did for them. One good high-calibrating master who was an advocate of self-inquiry is Nisargadatta Maharaj.
So if I took the question, "Why am I afraid of pursuing my interests?" I may get an answer, then I would ponder that until I got another, and so on an so on?
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So if I took the question, "Why am I afraid of pursuing my interests?" I may get an answer, then I would ponder that until I got another, and so on an so on?
You got it! Start anywhere. Usually the end is God, or some other very high calibrating concept that you want to explore in this life.
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You got it! Start anywhere. Usually the end is God, or some other very high calibrating concept that you want to explore in this life.
So it almost doesn't matter what the question is, as long as it is intended to resolve an internal conflict? Because it all leads to the same conclusion?
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So it almost doesn't matter what the question is, as long as it is intended to resolve an internal conflict? Because it all leads to the same conclusion?
Yep! Actually, this particular line of inquiry, wondering about questions, conflicts, conclusions, intentions, this meta line of inquiry leads pretty quickly to a place called 'non-dualism'. You may or may not have the mental energy to maintain that level of inquiry though.
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Yep! Actually, this particular line of inquiry, wondering about questions, conflicts, conclusions, intentions, this meta line of inquiry leads pretty quickly to a place called 'non-dualism'. You may or may not have the mental energy to maintain that level of inquiry though.
I need a nap now that you mention it.

Is that the same or similar to enlightenment? Like how Jesus said "I and the Father are one."
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Is that the same or similar to enlightenment? Like how Jesus said "I and the Father are one."
It's similar. It's what people refer to as "awakening." The calibration of which is at the Acceptance level. Once you're awakened to the non-dual frame, you need to do the work to put yourself in that frame all the time. This involves wiping away all your inner conflicts. Then you're enlightened.
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It's similar. It's what people refer to as "awakening." The calibration of which is at the Acceptance level. Once you're awakened to the non-dual frame, you need to do the work to put yourself in that frame all the time. This involves wiping away all your inner conflicts. Then you're enlightened.
I guess I would say I understand non-dualism intellectually, but not on a deeper level......Is this what is called conceptual thinking?
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