Dr. David Hawkins - free audio recordings

[Curtis2011]

A memorable quote from Hawkins to all of you who know what's up:

Originally Posted by Dr. Hawkins

Only 35% of people who say they want to know the truth are actually telling the truth. The other 65% are lying. They just want to hear that they are right.

I don't know if 35% should be a discouraging or encouraging number, based on the average human being's level of consciousness

[Holistic Star]

So is Hawkins in the 35% or the 65%?

[Benjy]

I watched some of one of his videos and wasn't convinced. I don't believe the calibration thing (and it seemed more delluded the more examples he gave).. and he talked about how he had taken a course to be a doctor to be taken more seriously. Seemed less like an enlightened guy, and more like a crazy guy who'd stumbled upon some followers. I felt no resonanace with what he talked about, so didn't listen much further. I'd guess the video was callibrated low cos I stole it from the internets

[Reverend Keith]

Originally Posted by Curtis2011

Why?
Are you afraid that someone else might have a definitive answer that proves one of your beliefs is wrong?

Actually I kind of get a rush out of finding my beliefs are wrong. There are very few things I believed 10 years ago that I still believe today, at least metaphysically speaking.

Here's what my intuition says about kinesiology. When I heard about it, I thought, "WOW, this can settle all the difficult questions!". Then a little voice deep down said "Be careful that you don't let your desperate desire to have those questions answered cloud your judgement about this technique". And then an even smaller voice even deeper down said "Accepting uncertainty is a critical part of your spiritual development.'

[Curtis2011]

Originally Posted by Reverend Keith

"Accepting uncertainty is a critical part of your spiritual development.'

Hawkins even says that sometimes the test will not give you an answer because you haven't karmically "earned" it.

He said they tried to locate a child that was lost in the woods or something like that with the test, and they eventually discovered that they wouldn't be given the answer, because being lost in the woods was part of the child's karmic duty or inheritance, or something like that.

[ethereal]

I just wanted to say that one shouldn't let doubts about kinesiology detract from the value of Hawkins' spiritual teachings. His teachings are one of the clearest I've ever found, and I definitely consider him as being highly enlightened. I've seen him in lecture twice, and the spiritual energy / transmission was very strong. My life completely changed for the better after finding his teachings and meeting him in person.

In my earlier posts a few years ago, I believed in Hawkins 100%, because his teachings highly resonated with me and I had faith in him that he was telling the Absolute truth. But now, while I still trust the teachings, I also have doubts about kinesiology. He also states that 98% of his calibrations are correct. I've found that many of his calibrations of teachers, living and dead, are way off base, in my humble opinion. Also, he calibrates that only 6 or so people are above 600 that are currently living. In my experience, there are tons of great enlightened teachers out there.

A lot of students blindly stick to his calibrations without checking their own personal experience, and basically shun all other living teachers which "calibrate low" or which are not calibrated at all, because "only 6 are above 600." They also shun dead teachers who calibrate "low" (which is not the case, if you check their reports or teachings on their spiritual experiences). This is very sad to me, because there are many great teachers and teachings which are overlooked because of their supposed calibration.

I don't know the truth of his other calibrations because it is out of my field of expertise. And personally, I think they don't matter that much -- who cares what he thinks politically? Just trust the teachings, as long as they help you spiritually evolve.

Having said all this, however, there is one thing I want to say about Hawkins, based on my experiences of being a spiritual seeker for 3 years: I haven't heard many reports of students' experiences of waking up or enlightening. He has many students too, making the odds even worse. The questions he gets also reflect the states of his students. Many of them are about intellectual understanding, or about worldly affairs. I find this very immature -- if you have a chance to ask an enlightened being one question, wouldn't you ask something really important, like how to quickly end all of your suffering?

Compare this situation to someone like Adyashanti, whom I've heard many reports of deep awakening experiences. I've read that in one retreat with Adya, over 50% of the participants had a significant awakening experience. The questions he gets on his live radio broadcasts often talk about deep spiritual topics like the Void or no-self.

I've noticed that listening to Hawkins' lectures or reading his books made me lighter and happier for awhile, but that effect doesn't last. I've been working with a different teacher who's not calibrated by Hawkins, and I've made significantly more progress and had some permanent awareness shifts.

So in the end, if Hawkins resonates for you, go for it, I support him whole-heartedly. But if you've studied his material and you're looking for something more, try finding a personal enlightened teacher who can guide you 1 on 1. That would be my advice

[keif]

Originally Posted by dor

if it shouldn't matter than why does he get a fake degree? That's my problem with him -I started reading his book and put it down because it was utter nonsense I am open to new ideas - to wild theories about the universe and reality - but not pseudo scientific non sense.

Source of Ph.D.
David R. Hawkins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Admitted to the program on March 21, 1991, Hawkins received his Ph.D. in Health and Human Services on September 30, 1995 from Columbia Pacific University (CPU).[57] CPU was never accredited but it was at that time still approved to operate by the State of California. CPU's approval was revoked in December 1995 after a period of review and response following CPU's application in 1994; pending appeals, CPU was authorized to issue degrees through June 25, 1997 [58]. California's Deputy Attorney General Asher Rubin called CPU "a diploma mill" as well as "a consumer fraud, a complete scam" and a "phony operation" which offered "totally worthless [degrees]...to enrich its unprincipled promoters."[59][60] The Associated Press reported that the state had been trying to shut down the correspondence school almost from the day it opened, saying CPU "had virtually no academic standards."[61] Neither in his books nor on his website does Hawkins disclose the source of his Ph.D. In response, stating to be reinstalled into worldliness as an "ordinary man" after a decade of seclusion, Hawkins explains his engagement for an additional title due to the "credibility problem in society". Two "Dr. Dr.s" would grant "greater fire power to the truth" of what he has to say.[62]

Hawkins' CPU faculty mentor was Sheldon Deal, a chiropractor who was a former chairman (1978 to 1983[63]) of the International College of Applied Kinesiology (ICAK). Chiropractic researchers who reviewed the studies that came out of ICAK concluded that “no valid conclusions could be drawn concerning their report of findings“.[64]

where did he get his 'sir' title from ? Sealand?

This is from the same page:

"California recognizes CPU degrees earned before June 25, 1997, as "legally valid" for use in the state."

Its a legal degree.

[keif]

Dor, you might also want to check this out:

"Evidence recently surfaced indicating an adversial relationship between CPU's former longtime president Dr. Richard Crews and the California state deputy district attorney Asher Rubin, a relationship that goes back to 1978. It is not known if the circumstances these two found themselves in via a court trial in 1978 and its outcome developed into a personal grudge evidenced by Rubin's attacks on CPU via the Point Reyes Light newspaper, or his apparent personal and unwavering dedication to eradicating CPU via the California courts. Here is the story.

There has been for some time some speculation coming from Columbia Pacific circles that California deputy district attorney Asher Rubin (in his role as a district attorney) was seriously out to get Columbia Pacific U (some even suggest it appeared to be an obsession). Rubin prosecuted the CPPVE case against CPU on behalf of the state from 1998. Rubin is on record as making some nasty allegations about CPU, particularly in the California local "The Point Reyes Light", seen by some in the same CPU circles as a 'right-wing' leaning publication. Runin's comments to the Point Reyes Light can be accessed via doing a web search on "Columbia Pacific University"."

That's from: (Type a title for your page here)

I doubt David Hawkins cares either way about this argument. But your reason (Alleged degree mill) might not be so solid after all. But then again, it was from Wiki so, probably not your fault.

[Bluth]

When he say to "surrender things to God" (i.e...worry, fear, problems in general) how do you do that besides just saying it?

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Bluth

When he say to "surrender things to God" (i.e...worry, fear, problems in general) how do you do that besides just saying it?

One way to do it is to pray to God and ask Him to take it off your hands. He's very happy to do so. Another way is to transcend the duality. You do that by deciding that 'you don't have a dog in the fight', and are free to let things lie as they are, without your conscious involvement. For those that can't accomplish the second, the first could be their ticket. There's different ways that are good for different personalities. It all does the same thing, in any case, free your mind from struggling with one thing and allow you to move on to another.

[Bluth]

Originally Posted by VinceG

One way to do it is to pray to God and ask Him to take it off your hands. He's very happy to do so. Another way is to transcend the duality. You do that by deciding that 'you don't have a dog in the fight', and are free to let things lie as they are, without your conscious involvement. For those that can't accomplish the second, the first could be their ticket. There's different ways that are good for different personalities. It all does the same thing, in any case, free your mind from struggling with one thing and allow you to move on to another.

Its just that I can't seem to kick my habit of worry, especially over my health and the health of others for some reason. Even when I try the first technique you mention, I may draw a calm breath or two, but it doesn't last long.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Bluth

Its just that I can't seem to kick my habit of worry, especially over my health and the health of others for some reason. Even when I try the first technique you mention, I may draw a calm breath or two, but it doesn't last long.

You worry about health? Do you realize that worry is actually a leading cause of stress and that stress is the biggest cause of health problems?

I think your actual problem here is breathing. You're focused on the worry, when you should be focused on the breathing. Instead of thinking about God, focus on your breathing for a few minutes. Just breathe, in and out. Meditate on it.

[Bluth]

Originally Posted by VinceG

You worry about health? Do you realize that worry is actually a leading cause of stress and that stress is the biggest cause of health problems?

I think your actual problem here is breathing. You're focused on the worry, when you should be focused on the breathing. Instead of thinking about God, focus on your breathing for a few minutes. Just breathe, in and out. Meditate on it.

Yeah, I realize that, then I tell myself that I better stop worrying or I'll get a disease, then I start to freak.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Bluth

Yeah, I realize that, then I tell myself that I better stop worrying or I'll get a disease, then I start to freak.

Don't tell yourself anything, that's just feeding the worry monster.

Focus on your breathing. In and out. In and out.

[Bluth]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Don't tell yourself anything, that's just feeding the worry monster.

Focus on your breathing. In and out. In and out.

Thanks very much for the tips, I really appreciate it.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Bluth

Thanks very much for the tips, I really appreciate it.

If you really want to thank me, breathe! Deep and hard! Like your life depends on it.

Because it probably does.

[Bluth]

Originally Posted by VinceG

If you really want to thank me, breathe! Deep and hard! Like your life depends on it.

Because it probably does.

I think all our lives depend on it.

What do I do in between breaths? Its easy enough to focus on the breath when its happening, but then there are several seconds in between.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Bluth

I think all our lives depend on it.

What do I do in between breaths? Its easy enough to focus on the breath when its happening, but then there are several seconds in between.

Why are there seconds between breaths? There shouldn't be.

Anytime you feel the worry come on, just focus on your breathing. Really throw all your concentration into it.

[Bluth]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Why are there seconds between breaths? There shouldn't be.

Anytime you feel the worry come on, just focus on your breathing. Really throw all your concentration into it.

So after one breath is finished go right to the next one......I think I got it, thanks.

[Bluth]

Would muscle testing be an accurate for choosing a career?

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Bluth

Would muscle testing be an accurate for choosing a career?

Sure, why not?

[Bluth]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Sure, why not?

And there is a way to do it alone is there not?

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Bluth

And there is a way to do it alone is there not?

Yes. The 'o-ring' method. You make an 'o' with one of your hands, and try to pull it apart with the fingers of your other hand. I'm not sure what the 'right' fingers or the right hands are, you can look them up or, better yet, experiment with what feels right.

You may find a short ritual useful. Make an intonation like "Is (x) integrous and wholesome for my consciousness?" then command your fingers to 'resist' and then try to pull them apart. Holding strong indicates a positive response, coming apart indicates a weak response. You'll need to play around with it before it will become a reliable guide.

[Bluth]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Yes. The 'o-ring' method. You make an 'o' with one of your hands, and try to pull it apart with the fingers of your other hand. I'm not sure what the 'right' fingers or the right hands are, you can look them up or, better yet, experiment with what feels right.

You may find a short ritual useful. Make an intonation like "Is (x) integrous and wholesome for my consciousness?" then command your fingers to 'resist' and then try to pull them apart. Holding strong indicates a positive response, coming apart indicates a weak response. You'll need to play around with it before it will become a reliable guide.

Thanks, I just started reading Power vs Force so I'm just getting into it.

I asked about career because I had an experience in July that led me to ponder whether or not a certain career would be "fruitful" if you will.

But I think I'd better get acquainted with this method before proceed with such a question.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Bluth

Thanks, I just started reading Power vs Force so I'm just getting into it.

I asked about career because I had an experience in July that led me to ponder whether or not a certain career would be "fruitful" if you will.

But I think I'd better get acquainted with this method before proceed with such a question.

I don't use muscle testing myself, as I've found self-inquiry to be much more enlightening and far less tiring. But asking yourself questions is only going to work if you can trust the answers you get back. Many can't.

[Bluth]

Originally Posted by VinceG

I don't use muscle testing myself, as I've found self-inquiry to be much more enlightening and far less tiring. But asking yourself questions is only going to work if you can trust the answers you get back. Many can't.

So how would self-inquiry work in regards to my situation? Merely ask the question and surrender so to speak?

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Bluth

So how would self-inquiry work in regards to my situation? Merely ask the question and surrender so to speak?

You have a gut feeling, so ask yourself what the gut feeling could come from. You'll get a similar gut feeling. Keep following the gut feeling until you have a much better understanding of who you are.

[Bluth]

Originally Posted by VinceG

You have a gut feeling, so ask yourself what the gut feeling could come from. You'll get a similar gut feeling. Keep following the gut feeling until you have a much better understanding of who you are.

Ah......My experience in July was that I was an extra in the Muppet Movie (a miraculous happening in and of itself), and it got me feeling as though I ought to have more to do than stand around and clap. It has always been an interest of mine but I've always been hesitant to try.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Bluth

Ah......My experience in July was that I was an extra in the Muppet Movie (a miraculous happening in and of itself), and it got me feeling as though I ought to have more to do than stand around and clap. It has always been an interest of mine but I've always been hesitant to try.

I'm entering the acting field myself, so that's an interesting synchronicity. My advice to you would be to figure out what role you want to play on set and go from there. If it's acting, then you'll want to ask a director where the best school to go to to learn is. That's what I did, and I'm in classes now.

[Bluth]

Originally Posted by VinceG

I'm entering the acting field myself, so that's an interesting synchronicity. My advice to you would be to figure out what role you want to play on set and go from there. If it's acting, then you'll want to ask a director where the best school to go to to learn is. That's what I did, and I'm in classes now.

Yes it is acting, and I have studied it (more independently that anything). My preferred "technique" is called Practical Aesthetics created by David Mamet, and for my money is the most simple, straightforward and demystifying path to acting there is, surpassing the Method and Stanislavski system.