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MindReality · 04-07-2007, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sunny

Hi MindReality!

I think we are saying the same thing, but we are using different definitions of the word "objective".

However, when I am talking about the Ultimate Truth of Spirit I call it purely subjective as opposed to objective because at this point you have experienced the infinite unity of all things so you realize that you are not "dealing with things that are external to the mind or consciousness."

So at the higest LOC I agree that there is one Ultimate Truth of infinite unity which means that nothing is separate so everything takes place within a single consciousness. Would you agree with this assessment? If so, we are saying the same thing and just have a semantics issue. It just goes to show the limitations of our linear language!

Yes we are saying the same things in different ways, that's why I said:

"As we rise in levels of consciousness, we begin to see more and more of the Illusion therefore the world around us becomes more and more subjective as we see it. "

torilink · 04-07-2007, 07:46 PM

The Mind (Universal or higher) - is not consciousness, or rather it is a higher level of consciousness. The consciousness we experience here in this reality is ego based consciousness, which relies on time, space, and other "Laws".

Ego will never merge into oneness, only "Spirit" will. The ego consciousness ends at physical death. The "Spirit" observer, which is the part of us that is ONE with the ALL, will never die.

The mind is split, this is duality the great illusion. Everything we experience in this reality is witnessed subjectively by Ego Consciousness. The Ego Reality is 100% perception and subjective.

The other part of us, the "Spirit" is part of ONEness.

mysterygal · 04-08-2007, 07:51 PM

What do you think about the holographic universe?

MindReality · 04-09-2007, 04:28 AM

The holographic universe means that the entire universe is made of condensed light which is a condensed form of consciousness.

Read this article to know how it is so:
Seven States of Matter - Everything is Mind

mysterygal · 04-09-2007, 05:35 PM

thanks......I like the idea that everything arose from consciousness. If consciousness arose from matter then we would die with our body. But if consciousness came first, then we would continue on after physical death.

DaveTyler · 04-09-2007, 06:23 PM

But if everything was Subjective reality, once a man became enlightened, wouldn't all of us die? and the world just dissapear?

mysterygal · 04-09-2007, 07:21 PM

But if everything was Subjective reality, once a man became enlightened, wouldn't all of us die? and the world just dissapear?

No, because every man is equally part of this subjective reality. We all come form the one consciousness, so if one person became enlightened there still might be millions of other people who aren't enlightened. So, the world would only dissapear if all 6 billion people on the planet became enlightened.

Michael Chui · 04-10-2007, 02:33 AM

I like how "enlightenment" is now synonymous with "non-existence".

View Poll Results: What's your view?
Completely Subjective	10	29.41%
Partially Subjective	22	64.71%
Objective	2	5.88%
Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll

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04-07-2007, 07:46 PM	#32 (permalink)
torilink Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,023	The Mind (Universal or higher) - is not consciousness, or rather it is a higher level of consciousness. The consciousness we experience here in this reality is ego based consciousness, which relies on time, space, and other "Laws". Ego will never merge into oneness, only "Spirit" will. The ego consciousness ends at physical death. The "Spirit" observer, which is the part of us that is ONE with the ALL, will never die. The mind is split, this is duality the great illusion. Everything we experience in this reality is witnessed subjectively by Ego Consciousness. The Ego Reality is 100% perception and subjective. The other part of us, the "Spirit" is part of ONEness.

04-08-2007, 07:51 PM	#33 (permalink)
mysterygal Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 76	What do you think about the holographic universe?

04-09-2007, 04:28 AM	#34 (permalink)
MindReality Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 140	The holographic universe means that the entire universe is made of condensed light which is a condensed form of consciousness. Read this article to know how it is so: Seven States of Matter - Everything is Mind

04-09-2007, 05:35 PM	#35 (permalink)
mysterygal Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 76	thanks......I like the idea that everything arose from consciousness. If consciousness arose from matter then we would die with our body. But if consciousness came first, then we would continue on after physical death.

04-09-2007, 06:23 PM	#36 (permalink)
DaveTyler Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 429	But if everything was Subjective reality, once a man became enlightened, wouldn't all of us die? and the world just dissapear?

04-09-2007, 07:21 PM	#37 (permalink)
mysterygal Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 76	But if everything was Subjective reality, once a man became enlightened, wouldn't all of us die? and the world just dissapear? No, because every man is equally part of this subjective reality. We all come form the one consciousness, so if one person became enlightened there still might be millions of other people who aren't enlightened. So, the world would only dissapear if all 6 billion people on the planet became enlightened.

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