Silly question but: What exactlly is Astral sex?

[kenny r]

Those of you with questions about the astral realms would do well to read Robert Monroe's books and the works of Robert Bruce.

In one of Monroe's books he described and encounter in one area of the astral where there was literally a gigantic PILE of "people" crawling all over each other, trying to have sex, but unable to. I think he said they were people who were out-of-body during sleep, but didn't realize they were out. According to both Monroe and Bruce, sexual desire can sometimes be overwhelming when you're visiting the astral plane(s), and some of Bruce's exercises for achieving an OBE are designed with minimizing sexual distraction.

I think I may have had 1 conscious OBE, but it may have been a lucid dream with OBE exit symptoms, my memory was foggy.

[AICfan1988]

Originally Posted by kenny r

Those of you with questions about the astral realms would do well to read Robert Monroe's books and the works of Robert Bruce.

In one of Monroe's books he described and encounter in one area of the astral where there was literally a gigantic PILE of "people" crawling all over each other, trying to have sex, but unable to. I think he said they were people who were out-of-body during sleep, but didn't realize they were out. According to both Monroe and Bruce, sexual desire can sometimes be overwhelming when you're visiting the astral plane(s), and some of Bruce's exercises for achieving an OBE are designed with minimizing sexual distraction.

I think I may have had 1 conscious OBE, but it may have been a lucid dream with OBE exit symptoms, my memory was foggy.

It seams like Bruce has something against sex in the astral. Hard to take people like him seriously with those kind of stories.

1. How can people have sexual desire if they can't have sex? Logic tells me that is a big contradiction.

2. If people have sexual desires in the astral aka the afterlife than sex would still be a perfectly normal thing to do and there should not be anything wrong with sex in the astral if in fact it is real.

3. If people have sexual needs in the astral then they should be able to have sex.

So stories from Bruce makes no logical sense IMHO.

[kenny r]

I think both Roberts point is not that they are against sex in the astral, they are just advising to avoid it because the purpose of their instruction is to help a person learn to project and, as part of that, to "deal" with what is experienced while "out there". And they seem to agree, sexual desire can be so strong (if it's not tamed in ways they advise) that is distracts. And they're not speaking of a higher consciousness type of sex. The people in Monroe's "sex pile" were trying to have (he surmised) physical sex, and were frustrated by that because, although it seemed they had bodies, they didn't actually, so their attempts didn't seem to be "working", and they weren't getting no satisfaction, so to speak.

Sometimes, they say, you have what resembles your normal physical body, but for the most part you don't. And astral sex is apparently not the same as physical sex...you are not seeking physical gratification, but more of a union of energy or what not. The desire seems similar probably because that is how we relate it to what we know of from the physical, but it's much more and beyond what is achievable here.

That said, I think Monroe also mentioned an encounter where he did have a "normal" body in the astral, and had sexual encounters. So it IS possible, and if that is what you want you could probably do that. But they say it will distract from your learning and that type of sex seems to attract lower energy which can become frightening. Fear supposedly is the biggest obstacle to successfully learning conscious astral projection, so that is why they suggest avoiding it (at least in the beginning).

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by AICfan1988

It seams like Bruce has something against sex in the astral. Hard to take people like him seriously with those kind of stories.

1. How can people have sexual desire if they can't have sex? Logic tells me that is a big contradiction.

2. If people have sexual desires in the astral aka the afterlife than sex would still be a perfectly normal thing to do and there should not be anything wrong with sex in the astral if in fact it is real.

3. If people have sexual needs in the astral then they should be able to have sex.

So stories from Bruce makes no logical sense IMHO.

1. That is not at all a logical contradiction. Sexual desire is more than just a physical response, especially when emotional gratification and attachment is cultivated. Many people who cannot have sex would like to.

2. In many accounts of the astral, there are desires present for many physical things but since you are in a corporeal realm there can be no physical gratification. Eating food, having sex, smoking a cigarette, bodybuilding, none of it works in the astral because you aren't using/don't have a physical body. But the desire for physical body pleasures can still be present and it may be incredibly strong. This is where afterlife ideas of hell came from. Unquenchable thirst for physical desires which cannot be gratified because you have no physical body to gratify them. The whole idea over it being eternal torment is a bit of an exaggeration, as the suffering only lasts as long as you hold onto the physical desires. There is of course the 'cosmic light' from Source, God, Allah, Krishna, Jesus w/e name you want to give it, that invites you to move on completely after death but some people upon death do not do this immediately and suffer for a time trying to relive the pleasures of life. Death is a different kind of journey, with its own pleasures and pains. It is a new and exciting place.

3. Why should they be able to? They have no physical body. That's a prerequisite for sex by its definition. I can fly in the astral. By your logic that means I should be able to fly in the physical. They are different worlds with different laws, AIC.

Bruce's accounts only seem illogical because you haven't visited the astral. It is by no means a 'logical' place. It is another dimension! It does not abide by physical laws. Bruce is only telling his accounts and how he got there, same as Monroe. They may occasionally share their own moral values but they for the most part are telling experiences. Bruce is absolutely not against sex. He's married with kids and from what he says he loves his family very much. I think you're having trouble accepting the possibility of not being able to have sex after you die. It's not that there is anything 'bad' about sex. The astral isn't more 'pure' than the physical, though it is a place for purification in the sense that it prepares you to reunite with the source of all that is, the alpha et omega.

Also, lucid dreaming is different than the astral. Many people will have sex while lucid dreaming just fine, but the astral is different as you are actually in another dimension and you're not just awake in a personal dream.

[AICfan1988]

Originally Posted by kenny r

I think both Roberts point is not that they are against sex in the astral, they are just advising to avoid it because the purpose of their instruction is to help a person learn to project and, as part of that, to "deal" with what is experienced while "out there". And they seem to agree, sexual desire can be so strong (if it's not tamed in ways they advise) that is distracts. And they're not speaking of a higher consciousness type of sex. The people in Monroe's "sex pile" were trying to have (he surmised) physical sex, and were frustrated by that because, although it seemed they had bodies, they didn't actually, so their attempts didn't seem to be "working", and they weren't getting no satisfaction, so to speak.

Sometimes, they say, you have what resembles your normal physical body, but for the most part you don't. And astral sex is apparently not the same as physical sex...you are not seeking physical gratification, but more of a union of energy or what not. The desire seems similar probably because that is how we relate it to what we know of from the physical, but it's much more and beyond what is achievable here.

That said, I think Monroe also mentioned an encounter where he did have a "normal" body in the astral, and had sexual encounters. So it IS possible, and if that is what you want you could probably do that. But they say it will distract from your learning and that type of sex seems to attract lower energy which can become frightening. Fear supposedly is the biggest obstacle to successfully learning conscious astral projection, so that is why they suggest avoiding it (at least in the beginning).

I agree with you except for that I think sex in the astral should for the higher realms that way you don't attract lower energies.

[AICfan1988]

Originally Posted by KaleidoskopicVision

1. That is not at all a logical contradiction. Sexual desire is more than just a physical response, especially when emotional gratification and attachment is cultivated. Many people who cannot have sex would like to.

2. In many accounts of the astral, there are desires present for many physical things but since you are in a corporeal realm there can be no physical gratification. Eating food, having sex, smoking a cigarette, bodybuilding, none of it works in the astral because you aren't using/don't have a physical body. But the desire for physical body pleasures can still be present and it may be incredibly strong. This is where afterlife ideas of hell came from. Unquenchable thirst for physical desires which cannot be gratified because you have no physical body to gratify them. The whole idea over it being eternal torment is a bit of an exaggeration, as the suffering only lasts as long as you hold onto the physical desires. There is of course the 'cosmic light' from Source, God, Allah, Krishna, Jesus w/e name you want to give it, that invites you to move on completely after death but some people upon death do not do this immediately and suffer for a time trying to relive the pleasures of life. Death is a different kind of journey, with its own pleasures and pains. It is a new and exciting place.

3. Why should they be able to? They have no physical body. That's a prerequisite for sex by its definition. I can fly in the astral. By your logic that means I should be able to fly in the physical. They are different worlds with different laws, AIC.

Bruce's accounts only seem illogical because you haven't visited the astral. It is by no means a 'logical' place. It is another dimension! It does not abide by physical laws. Bruce is only telling his accounts and how he got there, same as Monroe. They may occasionally share their own moral values but they for the most part are telling experiences. Bruce is absolutely not against sex. He's married with kids and from what he says he loves his family very much. I think you're having trouble accepting the possibility of not being able to have sex after you die. It's not that there is anything 'bad' about sex. The astral isn't more 'pure' than the physical, though it is a place for purification in the sense that it prepares you to reunite with the source of all that is, the alpha et omega.

Also, lucid dreaming is different than the astral. Many people will have sex while lucid dreaming just fine, but the astral is different as you are actually in another dimension and you're not just awake in a personal dream.

OK but the point I was trying to make is how can you even have these desires for sex, food, drink or whatever is there is no physical body in the first place?

1. I know you don't believe in the afterlife but what kind of a god gives people physical desires without a way the satisfy them? Such a god would therefor be evil, sick and twisted to do that to its own creations.

2. Why shouldn't people be able to have sex if they have desires? Whats wrong with sex in the astral, they have spiritual bodies in the afterlife.

3. If their astral bodies or spiritual bodies are not physical then how can they still have sexual desires? If they have sexual desires then their astral or spiritual bodies must have sex hormones. And if they have sex hormones then people would have sex for love making and pleasure but not for procreation in the astral.

IMHO God is the source of all sex and some say is a sexual being itself. God would not uncreate its own creation. Sex is a gift and I don't see why god would take away one of the greatest gifts for eternity. People in heaven could become even more sexual than they are now in physical form.

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by AICfan1988

OK but the point I was trying to make is how can you even have these desires for sex, food, drink or whatever is there is no physical body in the first place?

1. I know you don't believe in the afterlife but what kind of a god gives people physical desires without a way the satisfy them? Such a god would therefor be evil, sick and twisted to do that to its own creations.

2. Why shouldn't people be able to have sex if they have desires? Whats wrong with sex in the astral, they have spiritual bodies in the afterlife.

3. If their astral bodies or spiritual bodies are not physical then how can they still have sexual desires? If they have sexual desires then their astral or spiritual bodies must have sex hormones. And if they have sex hormones then people would have sex for love making and pleasure but not for procreation in the astral.

IMHO God is the source of all sex and some say is a sexual being itself. God would not uncreate its own creation. Sex is a gift and I don't see why god would take away one of the greatest gifts for eternity. People in heaven could become even more sexual than they are now in physical form.

I thought I made this clear but I guess I didn't phrase it right so let me try again. You have a physical body right now, in life. This body can be pleased and gratified by numerous desires that can be fulfilled in a physical body. Upon death, you will not have a physical body. Your consciousness however, fully remembers the pleasures and desires of the physical realm and will still desire them regardless of having a body or otherwise. Your memories of food, sex, even sleeping will be present after death and you may try and recreate them or recapture some of that pleasure. It can't be done though because you no longer occupy a physical body. You want something you can't get (yet anyway, you will inevitably be reincarnated by desire to consumnate with the physical, which is not necessarily a bad thing unless you look at it as a lure and trap). Is this clearer now?

1. As I stated before, I don't believe in an afterlife. I acknowledge the existence of the astral. To say I 'believe' in an afterlife is much like saying I 'believe' in physical gravity. Belief isn't a component here. I've been to the astral, I know I will go there after death for a time until I can pass on fully and become one with God.

2. Nothing is 'wrong' here. There are no rights or wrongs. The universe does not impart a moral code, all such codes are human creations. The simple fact of the matter is you can't physically copulate in the astral. It's not how the astral works. It's not because it's 'bad' or 'wrong', it's because it is the law of the land. You can't fly or swim through the earth while in a physical body but you can eat and have sex, but you can both fly/swim through the earth in your astral body, but you can't eat or have sex. They are different dimensions. I can't stress that enough. This is not about punishment/reward.

3. The desire for food, sex, other physical pleasures has many parts to it. Before you have any introduction to the desire, your physical body initiates the pleasurable feelings (first time you have sex, you don't really know what to expect, feels wonderful and afterward you remember how it felt and want to do it again, but at the same time the physical body can get aroused on its own without desire to arouse it). You see, desire comes from wanting something. That's it. I can desire to fly, despite not being able to. Upon death your consciousness is LOADED with memorable sensations and without the cushioning and dense effect of physicality your emotional memories are VERY sharp. Love is felt much stronger, so is pain (not the physical damage to the body kind of pain, I'm talking emotional pain and suffering) and all others on the spectrum of sensation and emotion. So after you die, you've got all these great memories of sex and you remember how good it felt, so you may try and have sex again only to find that theres no way to satisfy the desire because there's no physical body to satisfy it. The desire is just a memory and a rather fond one at that.

Relax your focus on sex. Yes it is great, but there are other things to do in creation than screw around all day. Because you believe in God, I will explain it from that perspective. God wants you to explore all of creation, not just the physical. All the realms are important and all have their own pleasures. I can tell you that music in the astral is a pleasure beyond description, for example. God also wants us to grow and develop as conscious beings and one way God does this is by imposing challenges and struggles so that we come out stronger after surmounting them. There's more to the infinite universes of all that is than just sexual reproduction. There are plenty of animals and plants that don't have sex at all! Some are completely asexual, others like single celled organisms reproduce through mitosis. To be human and to enjoy the sexual experience is wonderful and a blessing as it is, but God wants to see everything through your eyes. You can't explore all of creation if you're stuck on the same old pleasure

Enjoy this life while you're still here and know God has even more amazing things for you to experience after death.

[AICfan1988]

Then why do people claim to have had sex in the astral if you say they can't? Many people say yes to sex in the afterlife and others say no, why is that? Many people claim that they have NDE and OBE and seen people have sex in the afterlife, others claim people do have a body of a sort.

I respect your opinion on the afterlife which is an opinion but I don't agree with you. I know where you are coming from but I don't think the afterlife is that way like you described it.

Personally I don't want to become one with god because I don't need to.

If I can't enjoy heaven the way I want to then there is no reason for me to go there, I rather be dead as in buried 10ft underground dead.

All I want in this life and the next is to be with a soul mate of the opposite sex for now and eternity and if I can't have that...well heaven is not really heaven then and its not for me.

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by AICfan1988

Then why do people claim to have had sex in the astral if you say they can't? Many people say yes to sex in the afterlife and others say no, why is that? Many people claim that they have NDE and OBE and seen people have sex in the afterlife, others claim people do have a body of a sort.

I respect your opinion on the afterlife which is an opinion but I don't agree with you. I know where you are coming from but I don't think the afterlife is that way like you described it.

Personally I don't want to become one with god because I don't need to.

If I can't enjoy heaven the way I want to then there is no reason for me to go there, I rather be dead as in buried 10ft underground dead.

All I want in this life and the next is to be with a soul mate of the opposite sex for now and eternity and if I can't have that...well heaven is not really heaven then and its not for me.

You're entitled to your own beliefs. Robert Monroe, Robert Bruce and I will keep our experiential knowledge.

You are already one with God. You just have the chance to fully experience that after death.

You might be surprised after death and discover completely novel things. You never know

I concede that I do not know 100% for sure what happens after death, but I do have a good idea from my astral experiences. Also something I remembered to mention, the energy and sensuality of creation and love behind sex and expressed through sex isn't something you lose. There are just other ways to express it. Like that music I mentioned, listening to it is sensually orgasmic.

[AICfan1988]

Originally Posted by KaleidoskopicVision

You're entitled to your own beliefs. Robert Monroe, Robert Bruce and I will keep our experiential knowledge.

You are already one with God. You just have the chance to fully experience that after death.

You might be surprised after death and discover completely novel things. You never know

I concede that I do not know 100% for sure what happens after death, but I do have a good idea from my astral experiences. Also something I remembered to mention, the energy and sensuality of creation and love behind sex and expressed through sex isn't something you lose. There are just other ways to express it. Like that music I mentioned, listening to it is sensually orgasmic.

How am I one with god? I hate god for personal reasons. I don't need it at all.

No one knows for sure what happens after death. No one knows for certain that there even is one to begin with.

So your saying people can still express love in the Astral though sex yes but other things? What about food? Is that possible.

What I read about is that the spiritual senses of taste, touch, smell, seeing, and hearing are far more sensitive than our physical senses. So tasting food and drink, touching textures or having sex, smelling fragrances, and seeing environments in the higher astral realm are far superior to what we experience here on Earth.

[desertrat]

I had something come up one time during a medatation. It was a deep sense of sadness of having to leave friends on the astral and live my current life. This mite be part of my problems of having a conscious ap. I dont always trust info from medations. Just wanted to pass this along. desert rat