Predictions of 2012 and beyond

[Alan1986]

Please add to the list if you can.

List of Bashar's predictions or sensings of the most probable future:

2012: End of Earth's quarantine against ET; collective energy becomes slightly more positive since a long time
2013: A major shift in the way countries relate to one another and the emergence of a new political system
2015-2025: Discovery of the existence of ET civilisations
By 2017: Most people know that they create their own realities
2025-2033: Open contacts with ET are being publicized
By 2040: Earth becomes a member of the alliance

Events with unspecified time
Discovery of rudimentary evidence of life on Mars (He made this prediction in 2006, and the evidence appeared in 2009)
Discovery of rudimentary evidence of life on Europa
Discovery of new phenomenology in the outer planets

[themaster]

Disclaimer! Bashar states clearly "predictions are a sensing of the energy of the time and can change at any moment"

Basically, we all the choose the realities were going in.. do not take these predictions with FEAR try to be observational and just acknowledge it as a choice for your reality.. (even I'm fearful writing this first one.. lol )

- The economic collapse is not done.. nothing was fixed and the system was not corrected another one is do up.. it will shake the money tree.. and make it fairer for the world in proper exchange rates etc. is my understanding..

If you ask yourself some honest questions about money.. hedgfunds, stock market, overseas exchange rate.. does anyone know how this stuff really works..?

no.. They don't..

It's all a stack of cards is my understanding and the foundation will weaken, crumble and fall down.. but it can do it in a nice way.. choose your reality..

- Many more earthquakes are do as the EARTH goes through changes.. Chile and Haiti are just the beginning.. I just read a interesting thread in another forum.. that they’re having noticeable earthquakes in Oklahoma.. And tons of them are going off everywhere.. find your own evidence.. I don't even bother to google it.. (I suppose this doesn't include the idea of volcano’s going off either.. that may happen.. only heard "earthquakes")

- Bashar stated that taking part in a meditation I did.. (obviously for my reality) would accelerate our technology from 150 years (normal projection) to 50 years.. so as my understanding.. our scientist will figure out finally were everything in 50 years or less..

- It's my understanding it's like this.. everyone needs to release limitations and judgment to ride the wave of "the shift" and how do you do that??? what's the plan, right?? The plan is "I have no idea! " but as I understand it many more 9/11 events are going to happen (not in the act of terrorism.. though I believe 1 more is scheduled) but events that wake up the whole world!!! Shift there attention for 1 moment.. from there busy lives to reflect on something.. and that's my understanding of "the shift" plan it's going to be hard on a lot of people with limitations and a lot of people will leave.. (my teacher says quote.. 40% of those that consider themselves lightworkers won't even make it)

This is off hand all I can remember that our relevant.. and can be seen as true/untrue over time..

[Mounds]

Hate to be the critic but I think these predictions are highly unlikely.
Prove me wrong!

[Alan1986]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Hate to be the critic but I think these predictions are highly unlikely.
Prove me wrong!

The evidence of life on Mars has already proven itself.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Hate to be the critic but I think these predictions are highly unlikely.
Prove me wrong!

Watch your news.. by pushing against it you create more.. that's not the proper way to create

When I update this thread tomorrow with news of a earthquake.. then will you validate mounds?

[Mounds]

Hi themaster,

I'm not so much attacking the fact that a spirit is predicting the future. It's more the awesomeness of the claims.

A new political system will emerge in three short years?
Most people on planet Earth will be aware that they create their own reality in seven years from now?
Earth joining an intergallactic alliance within thirty years?

Those are pretty tall orders. Chances are they're going to fizzle just like thousands of other predictions that are made daily.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Hi themaster,

I'm not so much attacking the fact that a spirit is predicting the future. It's more the awesomeness of the claims.

A new political system will emerge in three short years?
Most people on planet Earth will be aware that they create their own reality in seven years from now?
Earth joining an intergallactic alliance within thirty years?

Those are pretty tall orders. Chances are they're going to fizzle just like thousands of other predictions that are made daily.

I think all of these are well within possible.. and or probable.. but there not true if you don't want them to be true.. meaning we all get to choose our realities.. these predictions were based on the energy of the time as I said about bashar..

For the record bashar's on record for predicting 9/11 at least he has a somewhat positive track record..

I know you might agree with me mounds.. but understand of a lot of this stuff is in the planning stage you agreed too.. nothing will happen without some form of agreement from all.. is my understanding.. all of us have chosen to experience "the shift" or to leave or get caught in a eddy.. those are the choices as I see it

I mean I can just imagine a 1999 post of you saying.. there's going to be a major terrorist attack in the year of 2000 or 2001 possibly in new york.. "yah, right!"

So much change is coming mounds.. I don't think you can accurately say 7 years out we won't have people knowing they create there reality.. and remember bashar's prediction was off on 9/11 you could easily add a year or two.. I would estimate that the people that know about loa currently is the range of 10% of population give or take.. I could easily see that rising to 40% in 7 years or higher.. especially if we get some good messages/messengers out there

[Silence Dogood]

Peak Oil hits the top of the bell curve, and the American Dollar collapses. A New World Order begins to rise from the ashes of financial ruin.

[Alan1986]

Originally Posted by Mounds

A new political system will emerge in three short years?

It may not be entirely new in his context. We will realise more flaws about democracy and that it may not truely reflect the will of the majority. Perharps we will transfrom it into something else or discover something more representative.

But he did add that the change would be achieved by democratic means.

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by themaster

When I update this thread tomorrow with news of a earthquake.. then will you validate mounds?

Please observe:

Quake, tsunami alert hit Chile as new leader sworn in - Yahoo! Canada News

themaster can predict the future!

Did you know that, worldwide, there about 50 earthquakes a day (detected)? There's more as well but generally, they remain undetected.
So, is this earthquake the result of our collective conscious being fearing earthquakes? Or is it just something that was going to happen even if humans did not inhabit the Earth?

[themaster]

It's happening.. cause of "the shift" the earth being alive.. has to change inside for it to is coming with us..

Yah, I caught the news.. another earthquake.. probably not the last

I'm pretty sure mounds.. if you do some personal research whether through the news or talking to "people" into earthquakes (whatever their called.. seismologist or whatever) You'll find that they'll say there is more and more earthquakes lately.. I don't need to check.. I validate the information

[joelr]

Personally I don't believe Bashar is a channeler for anything except for his subconscious mind.
I have checked out much of his material. Standard metaphysics with some creativity thrown in.

Not meant as an attack on his followers, I simply just don't find his material to be warranting supernatural beliefs.

But for predictions regarding space, I just heard NASA is completely shutting down any no more money is being put into the space program for now.
I expect this to translate into no interesting discoveries.
The new telescopes and supercollider may have some really cool things in store for us. Except it's broken right now.....

String/Brane/M- theory will continue to change names until people realize scientists are really just trying to see how odd a theory people will allow grant $$ to be spent on.

[Alan1986]

Originally Posted by joelr

Personally I don't believe Bashar is a channeler for anything except for his subconscious mind.
I have checked out much of his material. Standard metaphysics with some creativity thrown in.

Not meant as an attack on his followers, I simply just don't find his material to be warranting supernatural beliefs.

I am keeping an open mind. I do notice that different people who channel Bashar exhibit very similar personality during the channeling state and different individual personalities when they are not channeling.

There are also people who don't believe in UFOs, spirits, dark energy and space-time etc. And most people believe that they can't survive if they pursue careers of their passion and that to be successful means they must fulfill the criteria set by society.

[Alan1986]

List of predictions in 2010-2012/2016 by Mike Adams (who claimed 79% accuracy for his 2009 predictions):

1. Worldwide shortage of rare earth metals
2. Food supply disruptions hit western nations
3. Deadly superbug mutation goes wild
4. New evidence links vaccines and neurological disorders
5. U.S. power grid suffers catastrophic failure
6. Satellite breakdown
7. GM crop contamination leads to crisis
8. Honeybee population collapse spreads to other species
9. Weather patterns become increasingly radicalized
10. Nuclear power sees global resurgence
11. Nuclear weapons unleashed in the Middle East
12. New exotic superfood from South America emerges in western markets
13. A high-tech, portable vitamin D sensor device is invented
14. U.S. debt gets downgraded while world investors slash purchases of U.S. debt instruments
15. U.S. nearly comes to military conflict with China over natural resources
16. Huge new scandal implicates major pharmaceutical company in scientific fraud
17. China unleashes armies of corporate espionage hackers onto western nations
18. Medical imaging scandal unfolds as older patients begin to show serious health damage from radiation via mammograms, CT scans and more
19. Another 9/11 false flag incident
20. The world won’t end on December 21, 2012
21. EPA pressured to regulate pharmaceuticals in the water supply
22. Nursing home drugging scandal exposed
23. The psychiatric industry will declare more normal behaviors to be “disorders”
24. Vaccine industry goes crazy with new vaccines for all sorts of “diseases”
25. War on health freedom ramps up, targeting raw milk, homeopathy, herbs and supplements
26. The world becomes a far more dangerous place for honest citizens
27. New attempts are made to destroy internet freedom
28. China’s boom will bust, sending ripples through global economy
29. Central and South America will drop the U.S. dollar as a currency
30. Local currencies emerge following the collapse of the dollar
31. TSA suspends full body scanners after celeb photo scandal
32. Cell phone brain tumors start to appear in younger users
33. Medical industry claims to find cause of autism
34. Terrorist strike on the U.S. water supply
35. Sperm count drops, infertility rates rise
36. “Stealth personal recorders” go mainstream

Source: Thirty-six predictions for the world: 2010 – 2012

[IamAlsoThat]

You don't need to be a psychic to make any of those predictions thats like looking up at the clouds, the wind and the nearby thunder and saying its going to rain. Also great year ranges there 2010-2012, 2016 basically it will happen within about the next 6 years... Several scientists have individually made similar predictions...

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by Alan1986

List of predictions in 2010-2012/2016 by Mike Adams (who claimed 79% accuracy for his 2009 predictions):

.........

Does anyone actually believe this stuff?
Here's my prediction. Some things on that list will come true. Most things will not. The predictions that come true will validate Mike Adams.
Reasons I think predicting the future is so improbable:

1. We make predictions constantly. Stock market experts make predictions that are mostly... false. Here's a list of famous predictions that never came to pass: Embarrassing Predictions That Never Came True.. How many end of the world prophecies/predictions have come and gone? How many bums have you seen holding signs that say "Jesus is Coming"? Considering that about 1 in a 1,000 predictions actually come to be, I think it's highly unprobable that we can predict the future.

2. We tend to give ourselves more credit than we deserve. Consider this for a second... the Earth is around 4.5 billion years old. We've showed up in the last little while. If you took the Earth's entire timeline and condensed it into a single year, the first being resembling a human would show up at 6:00AM on December 31. With that in mind, does it really make sense that we've developed supernatural powers that can accurately predict what's going to happen?

[Alan1986]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Does anyone actually believe this stuff?
Here's my prediction. Some things on that list will come true. Most things will not. The predictions that come true will validate Mike Adams.
Reasons I think predicting the future is so improbable:

1. We make predictions constantly. Stock market experts make predictions that are mostly... false. Here's a list of famous predictions that never came to pass: Embarrassing Predictions That Never Came True.. How many end of the world prophecies/predictions have come and gone? How many bums have you seen holding signs that say "Jesus is Coming"? Considering that about 1 in a 1,000 predictions actually come to be, I think it's highly unprobable that we can predict the future.

2. We tend to give ourselves more credit than we deserve. Consider this for a second... the Earth is around 4.5 billion years old. We've showed up in the last little while. If you took the Earth's entire timeline and condensed it into a single year, the first being resembling a human would show up at 6:00AM on December 31. With that in mind, does it really make sense that we've developed supernatural powers that can accurately predict what's going to happen?

You don't have to agree with everything Mike Adams said.

I do agree about the energy source. I believe we will go from oil to solar (for a while) and then to nuclear (when the political system is right).

[fishbelowtheice]

I just watched that doozy of a film. What can I say. In the middle we went to bed and watched tthe rest the next day. Draw whatever conclusion you want from that.

[Mounds]

2012 must have been the worst comedy I've ever seen.
Two thumbs down.

[themaster]

I'll go ahead and throw another prediction hat into the ring.. and this may give you a idea what I'm talking about with "earth" changes..

Birthpangs of the Mother > Lightworker

[Navjeet]

Hello everyone,
I've just joined this group. I hope to gain a lot of knowledge and support from you. I came upon this forum after researching about blog spots that discuss the End of the World theory. My name is Navjeet Kaur, a senior undergraduate student at Dominican University of California majoring in psychology. At DU, all senior students are required to do a senior thesis research project and have chosen to do my research/thesis on the relationship between religion, depression and End of the World thory. I am working under the supervision of Ian Madfes, Ph.D, my thesis advisor, for this project and was wondering if you can be of any assistance to me. As part of my study, I am interested researching and possibly measuring the religiosity and End of the World concerns. I would be grateful if you could direct me on where I could obtain my research sample or if you would take few minutes to answer a few questions yourselfThank you for taking time to read and I would really appreciate any help I might obtain from you. You can contact me via e-mail at : navjeet.kaur@students.dominican.edu, or cknavjeet@gmail.com
Navjeet Kaur

[themaster]

Hello, Navjeet..

This "new age" crazy has many predictions for the world first off for clarification..

Would you like past predictions that were right or wrong?

Or are you focusing on predictions placed within the last few years.. for years of 2011 and 2020 etc. ??

You understand that many of us don't think of "new age" as a religion yes..??

(though I can certainly understand the label)

And there are very few of us that make the wild world ending predictions (basically fear predictions) of.. the "second coming will be here at any time.. hide in your bomb shelters"

Those ideas are mainly perpetuated by christians.. (I love to apply stigma's ) very few of the predictions I would have to offer you would have anything to do with the end of the world.. they would have more to do with changes in our world

Also note you would have been better of starting a new thread in our weirdo forum *cough* Psychic & Paranormal

[Alan1986]

Originally Posted by Navjeet

Hello everyone,
I've just joined this group. I hope to gain a lot of knowledge and support from you. I came upon this forum after researching about blog spots that discuss the End of the World theory. My name is Navjeet Kaur, a senior undergraduate student at Dominican University of California majoring in psychology. At DU, all senior students are required to do a senior thesis research project and have chosen to do my research/thesis on the relationship between religion, depression and End of the World thory. I am working under the supervision of Ian Madfes, Ph.D, my thesis advisor, for this project and was wondering if you can be of any assistance to me. As part of my study, I am interested researching and possibly measuring the religiosity and End of the World concerns. I would be grateful if you could direct me on where I could obtain my research sample or if you would take few minutes to answer a few questions yourselfThank you for taking time to read and I would really appreciate any help I might obtain from you. You can contact me via e-mail at : navjeet.kaur@students.dominican.edu, or cknavjeet@gmail.com
Navjeet Kaur

Hi Navjeet,

The end of the world thing was a misinterpretation, a mistranslation. What Jesus said was the end of time. What he meant was the breaking down of the illusion of time - the illusion that time is flowing continuously and linearly from the past to the present and then to the future. In fact, there is only one moment - the moment of Now. When we think of the past or the future, we always assess the information from the Now.

The first law of creation: You exists. Existence and consciousness have no beginning and no ending. Consciousness just changes from one form to another. What we know as birth and death are markings of the beginning and ending of a form of consciousness - but not consciousness itself. We always exist and always live. Death is the opposite of birth, not the opposite of life.

At the end of time, there is the second coming of Christ - of Christ consciousness. It will come from within us, from our own consciousness and our own body. When we dissolve the illusion of time, we will realise how powerful we actually are. If you are not a Christian, you may not need to label the consciousness as Christ; it could just be Buddha, God, etc.

Any organized religions with their own egoic agendas for conquest will fall away. As we become more spiritual, we become more connected and closer to the source of unconditional love. Organized religions give you sets of rules and limitations to follow; they teach you judgment - which gives rise to polarity; they are conditional. But love, in its true 'form' or formlessness, is unconditional.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by themaster

It's happening.. cause of "the shift" the earth being alive.. has to change inside for it to is coming with us..

Yah, I caught the news.. another earthquake.. probably not the last

I'm pretty sure mounds.. if you do some personal research whether through the news or talking to "people" into earthquakes (whatever their called.. seismologist or whatever) You'll find that they'll say there is more and more earthquakes lately.. I don't need to check.. I validate the information

That information is incorrect. Seismologist have measured a steady amount of earthquakes per year. More are detected because of 1000's of new detectors since the early 1900's. But the % is the same. ~1 - 7-7.9 event each year.

There are ~20,000 earthquakes annually.

There is always some "big change" coming in mystic circles. Always. Christianity had a huge one that was supposed to take place in the 2nd century (?) I think it was. It didn't happen. The 2nd coming has been coming ever since. Of course the date keeps moving forward.


These random predictions are almost insulting. If they don't pan out it will be "oh we shifted into a different reality...".

What would have been impressive is if 10 years ago Bashar said "the shuttle program is going to be shut down, almost 10,000 jobs could be lost. The new program won't even start until 20?? (2020?). we will have seem hundreds of planets outside our solar system. None with life."

Why didn't any channeler talking on space and E.T. say "every galaxy has a supermassive black hole in the center, this is why galaxies fromed in the first place".

Any of the channelers in the 80's and 90's could have said "space is not only expanding but it's speeding up" or "most of your matter in the universe is dark and exists on the outer rim of every galaxy".

Bashar is a huge copycat. I just watched him take 3 minutes to predict 1 fact about us discovering E.T. Then he peppered it with some Seth concepts on time. He acts like a fool.

That "quarantine on the human race will end in
20whatever" is straight from the storyteller and fraudmaster John Leer who's been telling that yarn to UFO people since the 1980's. We already know Leer is a con-artist. Unless you think the plane that crashed into the pentagon was a hologram.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by joelr

That information is incorrect. Seismologist have measured a steady amount of earthquakes per year. More are detected because of 1000's of new detectors since the early 1900's. But the % is the same. ~1 - 7-7.9 event each year.

There are ~20,000 earthquakes annually.

If you say so.. I'm too lazy to find scientific sources.. alright screw it I'll google for 5 minutes..

Looks like there currently squashing the evidence.. claiming it's natural.. well, whatever my understanding is it's not.. (and I don't really care if I'm wrong either )

Scientists say global quake volume steady, despite appearances | Science & Technology | Deutsche Welle | 08.03.2010

Recent earthquake activity is not unusual, scientists say)

We may be in normal range as this article says.. right now.. but I wonder how that will be looking at the end of the year?? Stay tuned..

Here is some more balanced evidence.. (check out california on that scale)

California sees increase in earthquakes; seismologists fight Twitter rumors | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times

(remember.. bloggers.. for every good news story.. you can also find a news story that says dire things.. the reports by scientists are absolutely meaningless! )

Let me add to this prediction thread.. this will be awesome and yet disastrous if it comes

According to my teacher something major will go down this summer.. somewhere between june to dunno.. but the stars are lined up (don't ask me what stars..?? I don't care! ) I'll refer you to his audio if you want to hear the prediction for detailed facts

So let's see where this thread is at come autumn.. ehh?

(obviously this is a very vague prediction.. and when it happens (assuming) anyone rational will just say.. ahh whatever!! you never said it was "blah blah" but that's it; I have no name just something epic on the scale of 9/11 or haiti in terms of global attention! (please don't be fearful! )

[Alan1986]

@joelr: Euler's identity! - The most beautiful theorem in mathematics.

It has been said that no matter how the different human civilizations evolved, the homo sapiens would separately arrive at the 3 mathematical constants:

e = 2.718281828459…
π = 3.141592653589…
i = square root of -1

which are beautifully related through Euler's identity.

What you may not know is a fourth constant known to ALL civilizations from time immemorial has this chemical formula:

C2H5OH

which has inspired poets, artists and thinkers to great intellectual achievements throughout the ages.

[Alan1986]

Originally Posted by joelr

Why didn't any channeler talking on space and E.T. say "every galaxy has a supermassive black hole in the center, this is why galaxies fromed in the first place".

Any of the channelers in the 80's and 90's could have said "space is not only expanding but it's speeding up" or "most of your matter in the universe is dark and exists on the outer rim of every galaxy".

E.T. civilizations may have agreements with our collective consciousness about what they can and cannot tell us. They may share certain information when we are ready to face them, tell us the directions for research and plant seeds in our consciousness. After all, we choose to be here on Earth to experience the experience of re-connection and re-memberance. If they tell us everything, then what's the point? We might as well not be on Earth.

It is possible to have exchange of technology with them in future. You were just commenting why not share it now. Perhaps, we ain't ready?

[themaster]

If you're going to edit your post.. I'll refuse to edit mine so there joelr

Originally Posted by joelr

These random predictions are almost insulting. If they don't pan out it will be "oh we shifted into a different reality..."

That's the problem with skepticism.. it's impossible to prove.. too many skeptics going.

Well, what about this?

And why didn't they say that..??

And omg.. this is just laughable..

I didn't know your were a skeptic joelr.. I thought you were one of us (Borg )

Originally Posted by joelr

What would have been impressive is if 10 years ago Bashar said "the shuttle program is going to be shut down, almost 10,000 jobs could be lost. The new program won't even start until 20?? (2020?). we will have seem hundreds of planets outside our solar system. None with life."

If you ever listened to Bashar you'd know they just do a sensing of the energy at the time.. (that's your excuse nutshell right there ) because he's had wrong predictions.. and he's had right ones!

I'll be glad to provide you verbatim what he says.. in a 3rd post.. (don't want to clutter this one up!")

Here's a interesting prediction from bashar.. aught to make you even more a skeptic!

Bashar: 2-13-98 Thousand Oaks, CA

Q: You know what I mean, significantly, in terms of world events.

B: Yes, there is a build up as you know of tensions, as we have said, that still could lead to the idea of the expression of a terrorist nuclear strike.

Q: Did we understand you correctly last time, in that you said that you were projecting that there was a 98% probability of that?

B: This is correct.

Q: Is it still at 98%?

B: It is.

Q: And where is it likely to occur?

B: Either there, in the Middle East, or in one of your eastern seaboard cities in your United States of America-- primarily 97% probability-- New York.

Q: Can you tell us when it is likely to occur?

B: Again, there is only a probability window and again, this probability window is sometime between now {2/98} and your year of 2001. Most likely either in or around your year of 1999, that is the heaviest concentration of probability, but this is not for certain because nothing is.

Originally Posted by joelr

Why didn't any channeler talking on space and E.T. say "every galaxy has a supermassive black hole in the center, this is why galaxies fromed in the first place".

Why would they? I really don't care about that stuff

lol

Originally Posted by joelr

That "quarantine on the human race will end in
20whatever" is straight from the storyteller and fraudmaster John Leer who's been telling that yarn to UFO people since the 1980's. We already know Leer is a con-artist. Unless you think the plane that crashed into the pentagon was a hologram.

Actually as I understand it the quarantine ends at 2012 but will probably be honored for much longer.. (till were ready)

Alright cause I already threw in a bashar quote in this thread (elongating it unnecessarily) I will just do the other one in here.. here is Bashar on future predictions so that joelr may invalidate it

"Future Predictions"


Allow me to tell you, there is no such thing as a future prediction, because in all reality there is no such thing, in a sense, as the future. There is also no such thing, in a sense, as the past; all reality is only here and now. Present. Present. Present. Both your past and your future are created from this here and now moment, within no time, and within no space. Therefore, ideas of predicting the future stem only from your own inner awareness of certain situations that you realize exist here and now. Your estimation of these belief structures as they are, and the strength with which you maintain them, will directly reflect the so-called accuracy of a future prediction. In other words, should you make a prediction for an individual, group, or mass consciousness, you will be sensing the situations they have created for themselves at that particular here and now time.

Realize, you always, always, always...I'll say it again; always, have free will. Always. You can at any moment you wish, any moment you wish, choose any future, or past, or present, you so desire. When a prediction is made you are simply reading those desires, those beliefs, which exist at the moment the prediction is made. Should the individual involved in the prediction choose to change any, or all, of the factors perceived by the predictor, well then, that prediction will not come true. However, should those situations not change, it will seem as if the predictor was looking into the future when, I'll say, the time wave crosses itself in your reality, rears up its head, and makes itself visible as the predicted event. Do you follow me?

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Alan1986

@joelr: Euler's identity! - The most beautiful theorem in mathematics.

It has been said that no matter how the different human civilizations evolved, the homo sapiens would separately arrive at the 3 mathematical constants:

e = 2.718281828459…
π = 3.141592653589…
i = square root of -1

which are beautifully related through Euler's identity.

What you may not know is a fourth constant known to ALL civilizations from time immemorial has this chemical formula:

C2H5OH

which has inspired poets, artists and thinkers to great intellectual achievements throughout the ages.

Ha, yes between C2H50H and the Papaver Somniferum there has been lots of inspiration throughout history.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by themaster

If you're going to edit your post.. I'll refuse to edit mine so there joelr

No comprende? I always have at least 1 mistake to correct.

Originally Posted by themaster

That's the problem with skepticism.. it's impossible to prove.. too many skeptics going.
I didn't know your were a skeptic joelr.. I thought you were one of us (Borg )

I don't think those labels help anyone.
I mean, do you believe that the group who all committed suicide so they could enter a ufo that was passing by on some exact date were literally correct?
Or that you're going to hell because you don't practice literal Christian doctrine? If not are you a skeptic? Someone did say it was true.

I believe some things but with varying levels of certainty and the same for disbelief. It changes as I learn new things.

With Bashar I believe he's a guy making believe to channel and he occasionally (in between filler sentences) puts forth some Seth material. I feel that an authentic channeler should be authentically meta-brilliant and have incredible new information to convey. Bashars metaphysics are not even as sophisticated as half of he people on this forum. Plus he acts like a moron.
Do you feel that a person who doesn't automatically believe ever supernatural claim is a skeptic? Of course, that would be the opposite of independent thinking. Pick a side and believe what everyone else says?

Originally Posted by themaster

If you ever listened to Bashar you'd know they just do a sensing of the energy at the time.. (that's your excuse nutshell right there ) because he's had wrong predictions.. and he's had right ones!

I'll be glad to provide you verbatim what he says.. in a 3rd post.. (don't want to clutter this one up!")

Here's a interesting prediction from bashar.. aught to make you even more a skeptic!

It does I guess. It's Seth material put forth as a regular Joe would say it. Considering I see it as such you can see I have no choice but to be skeptical of this material.

Originally Posted by themaster

Why would they? I really don't care about that stuff

lol

I think it's reasonable to assume any channeled entity might be interested in proving it's actually an intelligence from beyond the physical world. Given that most religions already have that "God won't prove itself to you, you have to have faith" thing. Like Angela once said "...ok God if you're really there talk to me by tomorrow at noon.." - point being, why not? Why shouldn't it prove itself?
So giving some simple science that is yet undiscovered would be something to get attention and validation.

Originally Posted by themaster

Actually as I understand it the quarantine ends at 2012 but will probably be honored for much longer.. (till were ready)

Alright cause I already threw in a bashar quote in this thread (elongating it unnecessarily) I will just do the other one in here.. here is Bashar on future predictions so that joelr may invalidate it

It's like Seth-Lite. Now with 1/2 the calories.

I realize Bashar is true for you. I'm not saying anyone else is wrong for digging him. I'm just explaining what my truth is, obviously I have to follow that. Everyone is on their own journey.

Thing is, if Bashar IS a fraud, he's not just a guy putting on an act. He's a devious criminal stealing money, time and frucking with serious personal and emotional belief systems of hopeful people searching for the meaing of life.
It's also possible that he's read lots of metaphysics and is mistaking thoughts flowing from his subconscious mind for actual channeling.

Maybe tomorrow Bashar will provide the answer to the Riemann hypothesis. I'll be the first in line to attend his lectures.