Do you believe in reincarnation?

[Andrew Gubb]

Have you discovered that you're never going to die yet?

I love you

Andrew

[blossom]

I know there is no death, that is just something we were programmed to believe, and in a negative way. But I don't take on reincarnation as a belief system either, although I have a feeling it might be true. I prefer to remain open to the surprise of the adventure that is 'death'. I voted No, I am unsure.

[OlderWiser]

I don't really believe in a discrete "soul" that becomes "incarnate" (i.e., wrapped in meat ). Therefore, I do not and cannot believe in "reincarnation" the way it's usually conceived and presented.

I don't really have an issue with simultaneous multiple life experiences or realities, though, since time is an illusion, anyway....

I do have a lot of spontaneous "other life memories". One of them is something I was able to confirm from historical documents (it was not someone I had ever heard of before, not before I went to find her). Another I can confirm by the dates, places, and at least one photograph from the era, but I can't confirm any more than that (records being what they are).

What do these apparent memories mean? I have no idea. I gave up trying to figure it out some time ago. Time is not linear, and we're all One consciousness, so in essence, EVERY "other life" is "my" other life. Why do I remember some and not others? Again, no idea. I just take these experiences as they come, file them away in my mental box entitled "weird and interesting stuff" and go about living the life in which I am consciously present now.

And yes, I do know that I'm not going to die.

I didn't vote in the poll. You don't have an option for "It's complicated".

[blossom]

I also have those " other life memories" spontaneously, but I have a theory that we can sometimes just pick up on collective memories that aren't necessarily related to our own experiences, but just random drifting energy that drop into our minds and can make us think this is who we were back in 1876! I can't prove this though...it is just what I think.

Originally Posted by OlderWiser

I don't really believe in a discrete "soul" that becomes "incarnate" (i.e., wrapped in meat ). Therefore, I do not and cannot believe in "reincarnation" the way it's usually conceived and presented.

I don't really have an issue with simultaneous multiple life experiences or realities, though, since time is an illusion, anyway....

I do have a lot of spontaneous "other life memories". One of them is something I was able to confirm from historical documents (it was not someone I had ever heard of before, not before I went to find her). Another I can confirm by the dates, places, and at least one photograph from the era, but I can't confirm any more than that (records being what they are).

What do these apparent memories mean? I have no idea. I gave up trying to figure it out some time ago. Time is not linear, and we're all One consciousness, so in essence, EVERY "other life" is "my" other life. Why do I remember some and not others? Again, no idea. I just take these experiences as they come, file them away in my mental box entitled "weird and interesting stuff" and go about living the life in which I am consciously present now.

And yes, I do know that I'm not going to die.

I didn't vote in the poll. You don't have an option for "It's complicated".

[RagsToRiches]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Have you discovered that you're never going to die yet?

Not yet mate... but I won't rule out the possibility... after all, energy cannot be destoryed according to Alb Einstein.

I love you

Andrew

Thanks! Me too!

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by OlderWiser

I do have a lot of spontaneous "other life memories". One of them is something I was able to confirm from historical documents (it was not someone I had ever heard of before, not before I went to find her). Another I can confirm by the dates, places, and at least one photograph from the era, but I can't confirm any more than that (records being what they are).

What do these apparent memories mean? I have no idea. I gave up trying to figure it out some time ago. Time is not linear, and we're all One consciousness, so in essence, EVERY "other life" is "my" other life. Why do I remember some and not others? Again, no idea. I just take these experiences as they come, file them away in my mental box entitled "weird and interesting stuff" and go about living the life in which I am consciously present now.

I think this "One consciousness" thing is good and all, but I don't think it rules out souls and so on. I've had some experiences with meditating and getting this sense that I was everything in consciousness, or that there was no me, only consciousness (however you want to put it). But that doesn't mean that my body wasn't my body; wasn't the body that was at the centre of the experience, I mean; and hence, I don't see why there couldn't be an energy in my body that could be called a "soul" that is, a pattern or personality that persists or something like that.

I believe that though there is only one consciousness, consciousness likes to make an avatar to experience itself from a subjective perspective - and this is our bodies, spirits, personalities, and egos. I agree with Steve Pavlina that egos are not bad things! Separation/disconnection is what causes hurt.

So I guess there is only one "soul" which is the centre of the subjective experience of consciousness. But then of course consciousness makes a billion mirrors of itself like a kaleidoscope - so there are other souls, but really there is only one.

I think we should be wary about saying there is no time, as well. I haven't studied deep into it but I feel like a lot of this "there is only the present moment" talk is nonsensical. There is and there isn't. Just like there is only here, because there is nothing outside of consciousness, times outside of consciousness don't exist. But then again, it's often useful to take the objective reality lens in order to better understand the way things work Consciousness creates the illusion of an objective reality so we can play in it. What is not being observed doesn't exist, but does exist in potentiality, and will align to be coherent with the playground that is being created.

So you do have a past, OW - be careful with words, they are tricky bastards

Andrew

[OlderWiser]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

I think this "One consciousness" thing is good and all, but I don't think it rules out souls and so on.

I just don't believe in discrete, eternal souls. I used to, but the things I've seen and experienced have moved me to the point where I can't see that at all any more.

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

I don't see why there couldn't be an energy in my body that could be called a "soul" that is, a pattern or personality that persists or something like that.

There could be. I don't know.

I base my current position on an experience in which I was shown very, very clearly that my "personality" is just a collection of thoughts, memories, abilities, habits, opinions, and so forth, held together by the idea of "I, me, mine". There's nothing inside, though. It's like a puppet.

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

I believe that though there is only one consciousness, consciousness likes to make an avatar to experience itself from a subjective perspective - and this is our bodies, spirits, personalities, and egos.

Sure, I have no issues with any of that.

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

So I guess there is only one "soul" which is the centre of the subjective experience of consciousness. But then of course consciousness makes a billion mirrors of itself like a kaleidoscope - so there are other souls, but really there is only one.

Okay. In other words, I really don't know how it works, and I don't really need to know.

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

I think we should be wary about saying there is no time, as well. I haven't studied deep into it but I feel like a lot of this "there is only the present moment" talk is nonsensical.

Well, it's just something I've seen and experienced. I've "seen" time collapse, and I've had the understanding that time is not actually linear, that's just the way we perceive it when we're in this human experience. I've actually had an experience where there was NO time, which is impossible to describe in normal language.

So I'm not just repeating stuff I've read or heard. I base these things on actual experiences, or at least, on interpretation of experiences.

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Consciousness creates the illusion of an objective reality so we can play in it. What is not being observed doesn't exist, but does exist in potentiality, and will align to be coherent with the playground that is being created.

Okay, I've got no argument with that, particularly, either.

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

So you do have a past, OW - be careful with words, they are tricky bastards

I have a backstory. I have a collection of memories that I use to make up that story. It's not important to me now, though. A vase was once in a kiln, and that's what made it into a finished piece, but it doesn't have to think about the kiln all the time, or even assign any particular importance to that event or experience. It can just hold flowers and have a happy life.

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by OlderWiser

I have a backstory. I have a collection of memories that I use to make up that story. It's not important to me now, though. A vase was once in a kiln, and that's what made it into a finished piece, but it doesn't have to think about the kiln all the time, or even assign any particular importance to that event or experience. It can just hold flowers and have a happy life.

Well there you go - you have a past. ADMIT ITTTTTT

[wbindia]

The Bible and my faith in Jesus as Lord and and Savior of all emphatically states there is a Hell and a Heaven after death-irrespective of one's personal views or beliefs on the subject.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Best-

Wayne

[maede999]

Hmm... I really could not understand how to not "believe" in this......

so, certainly "yes"...

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by wbindia

The Bible and my faith in Jesus as Lord and and Savior of all emphatically states there is a Hell and a Heaven after death-irrespective of one's personal views or beliefs on the subject.

Yes, that's the funny thing about the truth, it doesn't respect people's views or beliefs Though beliefs are all we got, cause no-one owns the truth!

[wbindia]

Originally Posted by wbindia
The Bible and my faith in Jesus as Lord and and Savior of all emphatically states there is a Hell and a Heaven after death-irrespective of one's personal views or beliefs on the subject.

Yes, that's the funny thing about the truth, it doesn't respect people's views or beliefs Though beliefs are all we got, cause no-one owns the truth!

Andrew Gubb-

Although I do respect others' viewpoints and beliefs regarding spiritual and faith issues, that is different than agreeing with differing view points on the subject. Irrespective of ones views-the Bible makes it perfectly clear regarding what Truth is-God is Truth and I embrace and believe in the authoritative word of God-based upon scripture over man's distorted and warped misrepresenations of truth.

Best-

Wayne

[fred carter]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Have you discovered that you're never going to die yet?

I love you

Andrew

Yes, I know life is eternal. I just want to know more about the process.

I like Wood Allen's quote - "I'm, not afraid of death ... I just don't want to be around when it happens."

Fred

[blossom]

You do realize that the bible was written by a bunch of men...not god.

It is a STORY, meant as guidance. How do you know for sure that it is all 100%true? You cannot. You choose to believe it all without question because it suits you. Choosing to believe something without actually thinking or questioning what you are reading is not a good way to get to the truth at all.

Imposing those beliefs on others also is not an effective means of helping anyone else but yourself for thinking you have "saved" them. Did they really need saving in the first place, or do you just like to feel like a hero/rescuer?

Originally Posted by wbindia

Andrew Gubb-

Although I do respect others' viewpoints and beliefs regarding spiritual and faith issues, that is different than agreeing with differing view points on the subject. Irrespective of ones views-the Bible makes it perfectly clear regarding what Truth is-God is Truth and I embrace and believe in the authoritative word of God-based upon scripture over man's distorted and warped misrepresenations of truth.

Best-

Wayne

[OlderWiser]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Well there you go - you have a past. ADMIT ITTTTTT

Like I said, I have a backstory.

[themaster]

There's a interesting show called..

Have I Been Here Before? (2005)

In it after they get a past life regression from a celebrity (uk celebrity.. I believe )

They do a fact check on the life.. was such a person alive at this period? are there any records or proof of this area they remembered?

What's interesting is sometimes the facts line up.. and sometimes they don't.. the lives they remember specifically near or around the uk..

This would seem to add some evidence to those that believe in parallel universes and the idea that all things must be explored.. the evidence that doesn't line up

[BatyaD]

As a past life regression therapist for the past 15+ years, I believe in reincarnation. I came to a professional training by Dr. Brian Weiss after being a shamanic practitioner and psychotherapist for a number of years. I always felt that even if there were past lives we could access, our focus should be our present lives.

After my own experiences in the training and seeing some of my own previous incarnations, my belief changed only slightly: I saw how re-experiencing past life memories (that belong to us just as our memories of yesterday belong to us) actually help us in our growth today.

From what I've learned through personal work as well as by working with my clients is that the soul has lessons to learn in each lifetime; that gaining the spiritual wisdom needed to reach the soul's potential is too much and too wide to be encompassed in just one linear-time life.

Lifetimes to our souls are like days/nights to our present incarnation. That's the best analogy I can offer. The in-between stage where we often meet and speak with our Teachers/Guides/Masters is similar to the dreamstate, where we can also access their wisdom.

And while "karma" from previous lives can influence our present lives, we maintain free will and free choice as we grow spiritually in linear time. Karma does not predetermine our lives, but may present opportunities (that often masquerade as challenges or obstacles) for our growth.

By the way, Jesus preached about reincarnation. The Council of Nicea and Constantine removed it from the Christian teachings. I didn't know that until I did some research recently.

Just some thoughts from
--Batya

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by BatyaD

As a past life regression therapist for the past 15+ years, I believe in reincarnation. I came to a professional training by Dr. Brian Weiss after being a shamanic practitioner and psychotherapist for a number of years. I always felt that even if there were past lives we could access, our focus should be our present lives.

After my own experiences in the training and seeing some of my own previous incarnations, my belief changed only slightly: I saw how re-experiencing past life memories (that belong to us just as our memories of yesterday belong to us) actually help us in our growth today.

From what I've learned through personal work as well as by working with my clients is that the soul has lessons to learn in each lifetime; that gaining the spiritual wisdom needed to reach the soul's potential is too much and too wide to be encompassed in just one linear-time life.

Lifetimes to our souls are like days/nights to our present incarnation. That's the best analogy I can offer. The in-between stage where we often meet and speak with our Teachers/Guides/Masters is similar to the dreamstate, where we can also access their wisdom.

And while "karma" from previous lives can influence our present lives, we maintain free will and free choice as we grow spiritually in linear time. Karma does not predetermine our lives, but may present opportunities (that often masquerade as challenges or obstacles) for our growth.

By the way, Jesus preached about reincarnation. The Council of Nicea and Constantine removed it from the Christian teachings. I didn't know that until I did some research recently.

Just some thoughts from
--Batya

Hey Batya, I checked your site and it is great! Your page on twin flames made me cry a bit - I met, and subsequently lost, my twin flame a few months back and I still miss her. It's a big reason for me wanting to go into my past lives... I'd check you out if I lived in the USA

I heard that about Jesus a while ago. Amazing isn't it?

Blessings

Andrew

[Zach M]

I used to believe in reincarnation, but that was a previous life.

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Short answer is yes. Long answer is reincarnation is not something we are necessarily bound to and the object of the game is to figure out this plane of existence to such an extent that we can escape the cycle of reincarnation and move onto other dimensions. It exists and I believe in it, but it's not necessarily something I look forward to happening again once I die. I'd like to achieve liberated consciousness in this lifetime so I don't have to go through the physical experience over and over and over again. I feel like I've been reincarnating for a very long time and it's starting to become tiring. It can be fun and enjoyable though.

[Aleksander Krstic]

No I believe in SR-won't necessarily incarnate in this reality.

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by KaleidoskopicVision

Short answer is yes. Long answer is reincarnation is not something we are necessarily bound to and the object of the game is to figure out this plane of existence to such an extent that we can escape the cycle of reincarnation and move onto other dimensions. It exists and I believe in it, but it's not necessarily something I look forward to happening again once I die. I'd like to achieve liberated consciousness in this lifetime so I don't have to go through the physical experience over and over and over again. I feel like I've been reincarnating for a very long time and it's starting to become tiring. It can be fun and enjoyable though.

KV, there is such thing as physical immortality as well on this plane - some people have bodies made of light, and some learn to dominate physicality such that they can transform their physical body and go discorporate then rematerialise themselves and all that stuff... such that death isn't necessary... God said that he created our bodies to be immortal in CWG... I can imagine that at some point you'd get tired of being on a planet where everyone was about 30,000 miles below your level of consciousness though. Unless you want to focus on helping them out and shifting this planet into a more glorious vibration. Whoops, you're a darkworker (It's a tease, I got over my darkworker mania... don't know what that was about subconsciously because it obviously wasn't only the conscious argument there... well, never mind).

Hugs

Andrew

[Light Reality]

One time I had this dream that has stuck with me.

I died and I was still conscious, I wasn't anything physical but I was spirit/energy. I was going around observing things, like floating above everything and choosing where I went. It was VERY vivid, and peaceful.

I don't know right now.. about heaven and hell I mean.. I have the beliefs of a Christian for the most part, but I just dunno about so many people going to hell for eternity because they've sinned in this life. I mean how does 80 years of living equal an eternity of hell? Or going to hell if they've been raised as a Hindu or whatever in parts of the world where they havn't heard about christianity and stuff.

[Kindred]

If I'm born once again, then no one really is free.

I choose to never be reincarnated again. That is, if I truly have freewill.

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by Light Reality

One time I had this dream that has stuck with me.

I died and I was still conscious, I wasn't anything physical but I was spirit/energy. I was going around observing things, like floating above everything and choosing where I went. It was VERY vivid, and peaceful.

I don't know right now.. about heaven and hell I mean.. I have the beliefs of a Christian for the most part, but I just dunno about so many people going to hell for eternity because they've sinned in this life. I mean how does 80 years of living equal an eternity of hell? Or going to hell if they've been raised as a Hindu or whatever in parts of the world where they havn't heard about christianity and stuff.

Can I recommend the book Conversations With God? I think it's a powerful way of rethinking Christianity... if you can stand the revolutionary nature of it.

Andrew

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Kindred

If I'm born once again, then no one really is free.

I choose to never be reincarnated again. That is, if I truly have freewill.

Unfortunately, you won't be able to choose exactly from this perspective.. when the veils are revealed and whole self is complete.. I bet you'll be back!

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

KV, there is such thing as physical immortality as well on this plane - some people have bodies made of light, and some learn to dominate physicality such that they can transform their physical body and go discorporate then rematerialise themselves and all that stuff... such that death isn't necessary... God said that he created our bodies to be immortal in CWG... I can imagine that at some point you'd get tired of being on a planet where everyone was about 30,000 miles below your level of consciousness though. Unless you want to focus on helping them out and shifting this planet into a more glorious vibration. Whoops, you're a darkworker (It's a tease, I got over my darkworker mania... don't know what that was about subconsciously because it obviously wasn't only the conscious argument there... well, never mind).

Hugs

Andrew

That's what I'm talking about. Realizing experientially the dreamlike nature of our physicality, so that we can re-tune it to any frequency. I didn't mean that once we 'get it', we can't go back, just that it's unlikely we would want to unless there was some motivation to help others. And the darkworker thing is an experiment. One that is not going too well at the moment.

[godrealized]

Reincarnation is the most grossly misunderstood concept of Hinduism! Wikipedia dictionary defines reincarnation as rebirth of the soul atman in a new body! How can that be? When the soul atman is indestructible... how can it rebirth in a new body?

As per sacred Bhagavad Gita of Hinduism... every soul atman manifests the human form to work out its karma... remove dross impurities within! For a soul atman... the entire life cycle of 8.4 million manifestations is one single span of life!

Body after body... manifestation after manifestation the journey of life continues uninterrupted for every soul atman! After death of body the soul atman simply manifests another life form based on residual balance of karma! Death carries no meaning in spiritual world... in the world of souls' atmans!

As a human being this is our first and last birth... we do not know what form our soul atman manifests in next manifestation! All depends on residual balance of karma of present manifestation! As ordained by God Almighty... no two life forms are directly connected to each other. It is in our interest that we continue doing good karma so that our soul atman manifests a higher form of life in next manifestation!

[Andrew Gubb]

^Reincarnation is not just about Hinduism or Buddhism, ya know.

I personally disavow any organised thought or belief system because I'm not interested in falling for groupthink. But I find in my experience that reincarnation is believed by high-consciousness walkers of all paths.

[godrealized]

Andrew... we have all read the story "Emperor's New Clothes" wherein it takes grit and mettle of a child to shout and say... the king is naked! Whole world apart... this one child was not willing to accept the fact that Emperor was wearing new clothes whereas he had none!

The doctrine of reincarnation in Hinduism says... journey of life belongs to our soul atman... and not manifest human body! As per Bhagavad Gita of Hinduism... our soul atman after death of body just keeps changing forms one after another until it reaches last leg of cosmic life when human beings gained enlightenment (kaivalya jnana)!

We have our personal beliefs yet, spiritual supremacy of India has remained unchallenged not for centuries but many millennia ... the prime reason why India is considered spiritual citadel of world! To accept or not to accept is sole prerogative of individual human being... that is what life is all about!