Is there a quiz or test to see how enlightened/spiritual you are?

[Rockchick26]

I was just wondering if there was a way you could test the level of your enlightenment or spirituality. It's very easy to read and learn things but it's hard to tell if any of it has really sank in and become a part of you. So I was curious if there was such a thing, to test yourself so you knew where you stand.

[rei]

if you know how to use one properly and safety, you could use a pendulum to dowse with a chart of the levels of consciousness. suddenly can't think of the guy's name who made that idea popular but you are probably familiar with it.

that's really the only thing i know of.

[Rockchick26]

I do know how pendulums work but where do I find this chart for the levels of consciousness?

[rei]

here (it's David Hawkins i was thinking of)...

Brutha: removed image for copyright reasons

please do be careful and protect yourself before you use a pendulum.

[joyfulgrowth]

Odd question.

Originally Posted by Rockchick26

It's very easy to read and learn things but it's hard to tell if any of it has really sank in and become a part of you.

Isn't that something you notice in daily life? When interacting with others, or when being at choice about your reactions? When mourning the discrepancy between the values you hold dear and what you are actually able to put into practice right here right now?

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by joyfulgrowth

Odd question.



Isn't that something you notice in daily life? When interacting with others, or when being at choice about your reactions? When mourning the discrepancy between the values you hold dear and what you are actually able to put into practice right here right now?

I do notice it sometimes in my daily life but I still feel like I have so far to go. I feel like I've been trying for years but there are still many differences between me and people who are more enlightened than me. So I was just wondering if I've made any progress at all, if it's just imagined progress, or what. It's like when somebody tells you something and you intellectually know it but you don't know if you live by it.

I actually did find 2 websites that have tests on it, one I was about half an hour into it and I hit a key wrong and suddenly my page went back and I lost everything so I said screw it! The other one I found didn't make much sense to me.

[Weena]

I'm not sure anyone has absolute authority to judge other people's level of spirituality or counciousness as it's all based on each individual's own perception. So don't look for a test but rather (as mentioned by Joyfulgrowth) look at your life and assess yourself (do people feel good when they are around you? have you recieved positive feedbacks after helping someone? have you progressed in things you might have been trying out (e.g: channeling, astral traveling, dreamworkl, psychic abilities, blahblahblah). Do you feel 'connected'?

I really believe you can find an answer in your heart, and not go by what a test is saying

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by Weena

I'm not sure anyone has absolute authority to judge other people's level of spirituality or counciousness as it's all based on each individual's own perception. So don't look for a test but rather (as mentioned by Joyfulgrowth) look at your life and assess yourself (do people feel good when they are around you? have you recieved positive feedbacks after helping someone? have you progressed in things you might have been trying out (e.g: channeling, astral traveling, dreamworkl, psychic abilities, blahblahblah). Do you feel 'connected'?

I really believe you can find an answer in your heart, and not go by what a test is saying

Well my answer to ALL of your questions is no! Except I do feel connected, sometimes. But I can't beleive I haven't made any progress AT ALL!

[joyfulgrowth]

My suggestion would be to start where you are. Be present with the frustration about not seeing any change in your life. If you can do that, and connect with your longing to be more connected, this is way more spiritual than getting yourself a chart and comparing yourself to others.

Focus on your true longing and grow towards it, and the more you forget to rate yourself on the way, the better.

(my opinion. not a specialist except for my own spirituality)

[rei]

i didn't realize RockChick was trying to compare herself to others. i don't recommend that. spiritual standing is a personal and subjective thing.

i know you have said before, RC, that you sometimes struggle with action. my suggestion would be to take a break from reading and learning. flip to some of your favorite things you have already read, and select one thing from each of your favorite resources to actually put into practice.

maybe start one new thing a week, and keep it going for a week or however long it takes to feel or see the results.

i am now seeing how this topic might not be a great idea. i think it might make you go away from continual enlightenment if you would not be happy with the results of the test. maybe putting some things into practice would help more.

it is, of course, ultimately your choice.

[joyfulgrowth]

flip to some of your favorite things you have already read, and select one thing from each of your favorite resources to actually put into practice.

Sounds like a great idea!

And if you want, check once in a while why you are doing it. Curiosity? Love for growth? Connection? (Just to make sure your main motivation isn't the idea that you will have moved up the ladder a step once you can astral travel or are at choice about your reaction when hearing a hard to hear message )

Also, spirituality can take so many different forms. Some of them may not even be on your path. Find your own song rather than looking at others spiritual "accomplishments". My most spiritual moments ever were moments that had nothing whatsoever to do with classical practices, and that's what made them special.

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by rei

i didn't realize RockChick was trying to compare herself to others. i don't recommend that. spiritual standing is a personal and subjective thing.

You make comparing yourself to others to sound like a bad thing. I'm simply saying I can see when someone is enlightened or more advanced spiritually than me. If that is what it is to be enlightened, and I am not like them, then it's just natural to notice that you have a lot of work left to do.

i know you have said before, RC, that you sometimes struggle with action. my suggestion would be to take a break from reading and learning. flip to some of your favorite things you have already read, and select one thing from each of your favorite resources to actually put into practice.

I do struggle with action, I was just unaware that enlightenment required action. This isn't really the same thing as trying to make your dreams come true or manifesting a new job or more money...it's just changing your way of thinking and being. I guess it just seems rational to me that the only way to change how you think is to THINK, not to DO. That's like saying "I want to learn how to learn complicated math equations so I'm going to go swimming and then math will just come naturally." I can't see it working like that. But, as others have told me, what I'm doing must not be working, so, what do I know!

maybe start one new thing a week, and keep it going for a week or however long it takes to feel or see the results.

This is a good idea, I wonder if I could physically do it. I think part of why I'm so into thinking vs. action is because I'm always on my computer and there is always something I see on a forum or some website or something that comes up in a book i'm reading, that leads me to something else I have to check out. I wouldn't even know what to do if I built my day around DOING something!

[Michael Chui]

Tone scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

Tone scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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That is rather...interesting! How can there be levels below death though? And what exactly does "games" mean, so high up on the scale? This reminds me of the emotions scale in the Abraham-Hicks books, that one makes more sense to me though!

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by Rockchick26

That is rather...interesting! How can there be levels below death though? And what exactly does "games" mean, so high up on the scale? This reminds me of the emotions scale in the Abraham-Hicks books, that one makes more sense to me though!

I'm not a Scientologist, so I couldn't tell you.

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by Rockchick26

I was just wondering if there was a way you could test the level of your enlightenment or spirituality. It's very easy to read and learn things but it's hard to tell if any of it has really sank in and become a part of you. So I was curious if there was such a thing, to test yourself so you knew where you stand.

Yep. It's called "death". We all get to take that quiz. It's like the driver's test: You get to take it until you pass.

[spacedout]

Originally Posted by Rockchick26

I was just wondering if there was a way you could test the level of your enlightenment or spirituality. It's very easy to read and learn things but it's hard to tell if any of it has really sank in and become a part of you. So I was curious if there was such a thing, to test yourself so you knew where you stand.

Yes there is. You can find it in the book You Can Develop Pure Awareness, Chapter 10 Testing Pure Awareness. Go to Pureawareness.info. Pure Awareness.

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by spacedout

Yes there is. You can find it in the book You Can Develop Pure Awareness, Chapter 10 Testing Pure Awareness. Go to Pureawareness.info. Pure Awareness.

I wish I could just view that one page. The rest of the book sounds like a ton of other books I already have. I'll put it on my list of books to check the library for! Thanks for the link!

[Curtis2011]

Hey RockChick26,

I would advise ordering this book of David Hawkins' on Amazon: Transcending the Levels of Conscioussness (not an affiliate link)

The Map of Conscioussness really is the most enlightened explanation of the levels of human emotion, life, and awareness that has ever been made. I have seen similar psychological maps, but this map is literally a map of spiritual development, which is far more powerful and more determinant in human behavior than just psychology and the mind.

Transcending the Levels of Consciousness is one of my favorites out of Hawkins' series (although I do like them all). It lays out a full explanation of each level, from the bottom at Shame, all the way up to Peace (enlightenment) and beyond.

The book has one chapter explaining each level, and then some extra chapters talking about other things. (I don't have my book on me at the moment, left it at college for the break, so I can't check specifically).

I found this book very, very helpful because it's like a road map of every human being's spiritual journey. It also helped me get a sense of what level of consciousness I am at, because each chapter has a full description of what it is like to live in each level, and from those descriptions I was able to tell which level I was at, and how to reach the next one.

Since I first found Hawkins' work, I have advanced very "far" along this pathway, and it is all thanks to the truth and guidance presented in his 7 books (I finally bought his most recent one about healing. It is great! I just had my wisdom teeth taken out this morning (January 5th) and I used a technique of his to almost totally remove all of the pain afterwards).

Although I would suggest reading them in order, starting with Power Vs. Force, I think if I had to choose just one of them, I would choose Transcending the Levels of Consciousness as my guide to spirituality in total.

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by Curtis2011

Hey RockChick26,

I would advise ordering this book of David Hawkins' on Amazon: Transcending the Levels of Conscioussness (not an affiliate link)

The Map of Conscioussness really is the most enlightened explanation of the levels of human emotion, life, and awareness that has ever been made. I have seen similar psychological maps, but this map is literally a map of spiritual development, which is far more powerful and more determinant in human behavior than just psychology and the mind.

Transcending the Levels of Consciousness is one of my favorites out of Hawkins' series (although I do like them all). It lays out a full explanation of each level, from the bottom at Shame, all the way up to Peace (enlightenment) and beyond.

The book has one chapter explaining each level, and then some extra chapters talking about other things. (I don't have my book on me at the moment, left it at college for the break, so I can't check specifically).

I found this book very, very helpful because it's like a road map of every human being's spiritual journey. It also helped me get a sense of what level of consciousness I am at, because each chapter has a full description of what it is like to live in each level, and from those descriptions I was able to tell which level I was at, and how to reach the next one.

Since I first found Hawkins' work, I have advanced very "far" along this pathway, and it is all thanks to the truth and guidance presented in his 7 books (I finally bought his most recent one about healing. It is great! I just had my wisdom teeth taken out this morning (January 5th) and I used a technique of his to almost totally remove all of the pain afterwards).

Although I would suggest reading them in order, starting with Power Vs. Force, I think if I had to choose just one of them, I would choose Transcending the Levels of Consciousness as my guide to spirituality in total.

Oh I have one of his books! I have Truth vs. Falsehood. I found it very interesting but had to disagree with a few of the things he said (for example Jesus, he says is really high on the truth scale, and I don't believe he existed), also Wicca (my "religion" he says is false), and he says all rock groups are "false" (how can a music be false!? Especially rock n roll!?)

Update: I decided to order this anyway, I guess regardless of what he believes is true or not, this still sounds like the closest thing to what I was looking for. And I found it cheap! :-)

[Curtis2011]

Originally Posted by Rockchick26

Update: I decided to order this anyway, I guess regardless of what he believes is true or not, this still sounds like the closest thing to what I was looking for. And I found it cheap! :-)

Sweet. Yeah I saw it for only like $16 on Amazon after shipping costs.

Most of his books are less "controversial" than Truth vs. Falsehood, because TvF is the only book where he really delves into talking about politics and stuff like that, which everyone seems to have a very strong opinion about.

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Every time I see scales that are supposed to represent where you are in respect to spiritual evolution, I'm reminded of that scene from Donnie Darko, where one of his teachers is trying to put different actions on a Hate/Love scale from this program by some self help guru named Jim Cunningham and asking students to decide where the action goes. Donnie basically calls ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on the entire process, saying people are more dynamic and complex than a linear scale. And later he calls Jim Cunningham "the ****ing Antichrist".

I love that movie

I agree with Donnie's character and am unimpressed by mister Dawkin's fancy linear scale. I have gone from shame to superconsciousness in seconds without any of the in betweens. Anyone operating at 'I am a living God' level all the time is going to end up looking like the foolish mortal they are on that unfortunate day the universe decides to shake them up a bit. Dawkins would probably say I'm operating at the level of resentment or something dismissive like that.

Don't go pinning your self expression to a scale that is so much smaller than what you are. Just go out and live your life without worrying about becoming enlightened and you might end up finding what you wanted all along.

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by KaleidoskopicVision

Every time I see scales that are supposed to represent where you are in respect to spiritual evolution, I'm reminded of that scene from Donnie Darko, where one of his teachers is trying to put different actions on a Hate/Love scale from this program by some self help guru named Jim Cunningham and asking students to decide where the action goes. Donnie basically calls ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on the entire process, saying people are more dynamic and complex than a linear scale. And later he calls Jim Cunningham "the ****ing Antichrist".

I love that movie

I agree with Donnie's character and am unimpressed by mister Dawkin's fancy linear scale. I have gone from shame to superconsciousness in seconds without any of the in betweens. Anyone operating at 'I am a living God' level all the time is going to end up looking like the foolish mortal they are on that unfortunate day the universe decides to shake them up a bit. Dawkins would probably say I'm operating at the level of resentment or something dismissive like that.

Don't go pinning your self expression to a scale that is so much smaller than what you are. Just go out and live your life without worrying about becoming enlightened and you might end up finding what you wanted all along.

I saw that movie once a long time ago, I don't remember that part but now I want to see it again!

I have this book coming so I'll read it but you (and Donnie) are probably right. It sounds like the same idea as in that movie Bickford Schmeckler's Cool Ideas, he spends a year or two writing cool profound ideas in this book, like philosophy stuff, and someone steals it and he is majorly upset, but in the end he realizes that he isn't happy because he's thinking too much and he needs to just go out and enjoy life and not think.

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by Rockchick26

I saw that movie once a long time ago, I don't remember that part but now I want to see it again!

I have this book coming so I'll read it but you (and Donnie) are probably right. It sounds like the same idea as in that movie Bickford Schmeckler's Cool Ideas, he spends a year or two writing cool profound ideas in this book, like philosophy stuff, and someone steals it and he is majorly upset, but in the end he realizes that he isn't happy because he's thinking too much and he needs to just go out and enjoy life and not think.

Sounds like a good movie, I'll have to check that out