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12-13-2009, 04:45 PM
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Does anyone have any insights to share on this.... If we have complete power over our lives, do we also have power over our time to die? Suicide is wrong, we know that, i know that but find it an interesting aside that deciding ones own life is right and not taking charge of ones life is wrong but taking charge of death is wrong) But what im getting at is who HAS the power to decide our death? Free will surely negates the idea of destiny yet death seems to be destiny. What if someone is not learning the lessons they are supposed to learn, will they be made to live until they learn them, and suffer a very old age? What if the body wears out before its time, is the person made to re incarnate here asap to complete the lessons? Any insights would be appreciated  |
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12-13-2009, 07:37 PM
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Paramahansa Yogananda (The Autobiography of a Yogi) and other yogis talk about self-realized people who leave their bodies consciously. Yogananda did it himself in 1952. My spiritual teacher once mentioned to us that he had found out that his time-line was too short for him to accomplish everything he had set himself up to. So he simply prolonged his time-line. (I believe this is something that comes from NLP). I myself haven't experimented with that, I might sometime in the future, though. Merrick |
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12-13-2009, 07:51 PM
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Hawkins says that he's tested it many times, and every time, the truth test says that the exact time of our death is set by karma at the time of our birth. But the circumstances of our death, he says, are not set - we will die as a result of how we lived. In a seminar he also got the question one time "can we choose to kill ourselves sooner than that karmically set time, since we have free will?" He said he suspects so, but he didn't truth test it. |
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12-13-2009, 07:54 PM
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Actually...we never die  but apart from that,we always decide when to leave from this place of existence.to go to another one. Each one of us do that.before we reincarnate.So--- that is something which is decided even before we are born. sometimes it might appear that we "go" in the wront time,too soon or too late...but in fact,we choose the right time.it is always the right .according to our Soul´s needs. |
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12-14-2009, 06:16 AM
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Who told you that??? Why do you believe that??? What's so wrong about it.. come on tell me??? This is a common societal belief.. held by the world yes?? and you have bought into it which is why you make this statement.. let me clear this up for you if I can The reason why people label suicide wrong/bad is because they’re AFRAID of death.. they see death, people disappear/die and they say BAD!!!! I'm afraid..!!!!! Mommy.. bobby is gone.. I'm afraid!!! This is a disconnection/limitation reality.. it was designed as such that in this limitation experience.. you could feel disconnection from the truth.. that you are all things.. that you are a great being! That there is only love for you So suicide with the negative label.. is just the idea of disconnection to the extreme.. and that illusion like many others is fading away.. in the shift Quote:
I am offering a idea/suggestion.. feel free to ignore me I have always been pro-suicide and used to feel bad (maybe still do) for Dr. Kevorkian.. one of my former/current heroes (bare in mind I also consider.. Howard Stern a hero too )Quote:
According to my teacher.. all of us have died MANY, MANY times.. no joke! But we our creator gods, unlimited (in that even the idea of turning into nothing is a illusion) and we can reload this game any time we want too.. You can die in this very moment.. go spend what could quantify as a 100 billion earth years in the higher realms.. and in one second be right back down here.. we are that powerful.. we can do all that and more Quote:
You describe our existence as some kind of hellish life.. well it is hellish.. but that's only when you're here in the muck as it were.. from up THERE.. from the perspective were from.. this experience looks awesome! its looks happening! it looks exciting!!Let me tell you how it is according to my teacher(s).. if we we're to die right now.. just croak over.. (which is choice) we get up there.. and we are REMINDED.. of our agreements and goals for earth experience.. all of us or most of us choose to COMEBACK.. there is no, where in this deal.. where free choice isn't allowed.. There is no force, no coercion.. etc. these our illusions/creations for this reality only.. Quote:
Alright.. I'll answer it again.. Here's the memo.. WE ARE POWEFUL BEING's.. look outside your window.. look at your keyboard and computer screen.. then have a look at a globe.. guess what??? ALL OF THIS STUFF.. is US!!!! Everything is us.. there is nothing that you are really truly separate from.. there may be a illusion of SEPERATION.. but we are every being on this planet.. we are the complex structures we create.. So to answer your question.. from a perspective of totality.. we can do whatever the hell we want too.. body wears out?? fine.. whatever.. we regenerate.. we create a new reality and start you over from the point you want.. Last edited by themaster; 12-14-2009 at 06:19 AM. | ||||||
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12-14-2009, 06:36 AM
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Which statement sounds more limiting here? That we can choose when we die? Or that we set a timeline in stone to die on this day.. and that clock can't be changed ever!!!! Quote:
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That we are born with a date/time to die set in stone.. that cannot be changed! I might agree we are born with a date in mind.. but we always have the option "free will" to change anything and everything here in our own realities! Also in your spiritual information list there.. you treating time linearly.. time is a illusion.. birth, death, your 7th birthday, the big bang = all right NOW!!! Please don't misunderstand me.. I would just like to say that many of you have made limiting statements.. and I offer a correction to this.. We are a unlimited being.. there is nothing we can't do.. there is no rule we can't break..Many of you have also made reference to the idea of karma.. I must first off say that karma is not a lock-in system.. to my understanding karma is optional in your life.. to take it etc. Also understand that by my understanding We are in both the 3rd and 4th dimension.. and karma only operates in 3d.. it is defused or shutdown for 4d.. this is my understanding if I got it right So all these ideas involving karma should be defused since we are being pushed into 4d and eventually 5d Last edited by themaster; 12-14-2009 at 06:42 AM. | ||||
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12-14-2009, 06:41 AM
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Who told you suicide is wrong? You must have heard that in church. Not everyone is raised christian. I was'nt. Thus, i am not bound by such beliefs. Then I also dont belive we can live forever and ever in hell or heaven. Of course the bible dosnet say forever either. That was just a poor translation of the greek word eon. or eon of the eons, no matter. It is up to you to decide how long you will live, and what the quality of the life you choose. Choose wisely. |
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12-14-2009, 06:43 AM
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Destiny only exists to the extent that you are not aware. If you are not aware of choice, you cannot make a choice, and therefore, you choose by default. Having said that, there is no maximum allotted time you are allowed to stay incarnate in a given body. This may be hard to believe, but there are worlds where the bodies simply do not age, and anytime an incarnation ends on those worlds, it is a consciously deliberate act. There were times on this planet in the distant past where beings lived for upwards of 900 years long. Of course, this is all fantasy to some. You are always creating your reality, but for your conscious self to take part in this, you must become aware that you are doing it. Our collective belief in age as debilitating causes that reality to corroborate itself. If one was truly and perfectly in balance (a rare person indeed) they would not age unless they desired to. On the other hand, if one is out of balance with oneself, one is NOT creating their reality deliberately, and their imbalance will eventually, given enough energy, attract circumstances by which their physical apparatus will cease viability, quite without their conscious consent. | |
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12-14-2009, 06:49 AM
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According to my teacher bashar there is one person on the planet older then the age of 500.. (by that I mean human ) and lots in the 200+ years of range.. exact stats I don't remember.. Quote:
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12-14-2009, 12:05 PM
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The Master yes i know you are only advising from your point of view. yes,i also know that time is an illusion,but im still on a newbie phase many times i let myself be stuck in the 3rd dimension,but i plan to get into the 4th the more i can hihihi well i must say that is hard for me to grasp that concept:that we are born with a date in mind,but that we can choose not to go in that date? i never thought of that. as i believe in reincarnation,and red many things about it,what was caught by my Intuition,and felt right for me was that...we always choosed the time of death " a priori". hmmm when i was born i was a premature.(of only 6 and a half month and i was born with my twin too). as i was only 1 pound of weight,i had many problems,and one day i even had a cardiac arrest.my heart stopped.but i came back. also i had lots of other health problems,but "miraculously" i survived.going against all doctor´s predictions that i was going to die pretty soon. does this tells me that i was born with the specific date to die ( at birth),but that i came back again,for some reason?? |
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12-14-2009, 07:39 PM
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It wouldn't be very much fun to be re-inserted into the game.. would it? From a higher more clear perspective?? to play the game.. you must return to your semi-original perspective Still you will note many, many people have stories of life after death and remembering's.. they were given a clue/a remembrance of where they went.. cause they chose to or by default.. It's my understanding that the place you go when you die.. isn't that much different then when you dream.. all the same place.. is what I gather.. I don't say for sure So what was I saying? Ohh.. yes your descriptions of death as a baby.. are probably accurate, you may have died.. but from that perspective.. death has to be very weird or at least not have the human stigma of bad It's my understanding were more tuned in, turned on etc. when we're a baby.. it's my understanding if I got it right until about the age of 5 we can actually see guides, inner self, extra spiritual information.. and then we choose to "shut it down" to participate in this reality does this tells me that I was born with the specific date to die ( at birth),but that I came back again, for some reason?? If you spend some time really studying reality Aka.. watch the news.. or just google.. you will find millions of stories.. of.. "the doctor said I was going to die of _____" but I found the lord, I used this crystal, I went to see this healer etc. and had a miraculous healing..Those are people who were committing suicide via disease.. and decided to change their life around.. there's no difference in this story and your baby story.. or that time you didn't cross the bridge that was going to collapse I tell you.. we all have free will, we all get to choose.. and even if we don't get to choose consciously in this life as "anagogy" states.. you get to choose from a place of death.. and you might reload the second before you died.. or whatever you choose, there is no death.. that is a illusion.. and a great game being played here in the 3rd dimension (I personally.. like the game.. I say again my goals are to change the rules)A lot of people fear death.. one of the things is they fear death is.. LESS then what we are.. according to my teacher(s) it is MORE then what we are.. when really listening to information on any subject.. I highly suggest using the information system called.. "Emotional Guidance System" When a old person starts to age/decay according to my teacher they our activating there body to leave.. you even wonder why some old people.. look older than others?? I’ve met a few 80 year+ olds in great health.. they care about their body’s take care of it etc. they allow it, to go old.. but they want to live.. death is a choice.. and even if a old person doesn’t realize it.. when they want to leave they activate that in themselves from higher up or not.. (in this aspect I could agree that there may be a timer.. a switch to go off.. to get you out.. but I clearly say we have choice.. we are all in our own realities.. and we allow ourselves to break our own rules all the time and for the record.. we do break our rules all the time! )According to my teachers the stages of old and birth are relatively the same.. both the baby and old person.. may not fully “be here” in that they may be more like dreaming.. a return to what we are It’s also my understanding per my new teacher.. that you cannot LEAVE earth without recollecting all your energy back from other people.. according to him.. you will have a rough leaving.. a longer over-stay as you go around and have to recollect your energy from people you had problems with/gave it too  This scenario fits in above.. with my grandma’s leaving this year.. which took a month or two Last edited by themaster; 12-14-2009 at 07:53 PM. | |
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12-14-2009, 09:15 PM
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Which statement sounds more limiting here? That if I jump off a building, I'll be caught by an angel and float away to heaven? Or that gravity will do what it does and pull me to the ground, smashing my body to pieces and ending my physical life?  | |
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12-14-2009, 09:56 PM
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12-15-2009, 08:23 AM
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@The Master, or anyone, hi..... can you elaborate on the 'recollecting of energy' you mentioned? What are the principles of energy dispersion and what is the conscious vs unconscious ways of managing energy and what of backtracking to rectify pre-conscious energy spills? Thanks for the many enlightened responses here, appreciated. |
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12-15-2009, 09:17 AM
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| If we have complete power over our lives, do we also have power over our time to die? [/B] Yes we have personal power to decide when and where to die but that power is not available to common man. Suicide is wrong, we know that, i know that but find it an interesting aside that deciding ones own life is right and not taking charge of ones life is wrong but taking charge of death is wrong).But what im getting at is who HAS the power to decide our death? Free will surely negates the idea of destiny yet death seems to be destiny. Depending on circumstances,suicide is not wrong.One of my closest person committed suicide due to non curable disorder.I never felt bad about it. Death is real destiny but i have never experienced it yet. What if the body wears out before its time, is the person made to re incarnate here asap to complete the lessons? There is no incarnation.Be firm.Once the life force is spent,its going to vanish forever.If anything important has to happen,it has to happen now. |
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12-15-2009, 05:04 PM
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There is no wrong way to be k? Alright.. 2nd off let me say this stuff/idea is new to me.. but I'll do the best I can to explain from my point of understanding.. What are the principles of energy dispersion? We're all energy, yes??? This is my understanding spiritually.. we have a interface for this world.. and we our the way we are.. because when we chose to come here.. we took in/agreed to take in huge amounts of this world energy/ideas.. So understand before you came here.. You were a much enlightened, vibration to 2000000000x what you know now.. k?You follow me?? or lost? The second you got here.. as part of your agreements to play this game.. you began the childhood phase of slowing down.. that's what it really seems to be.. slowing down By age 5 or so you should have lost contact to your guides/angels/whatever.. most lose their spiritual/normal abilities (some do not relinquish) you also pull from your parents (if you were born after 1987 it's a little different) their beliefs and definitions about earth.. mass agreements on how it is here.. structures etc. (did you think you were just born into limitation?? that whole random cosmic accident theory? )(no like me and many others of ourselves.. we chose this limitation environment.. according to my teacher(s) many of us have been here before.. we our a master class.. in the amount of lifetimes we've spent on earth.. that's my understanding somewhat )So where was I? Ohh yah.. that which I described above can also be called energy Here's some analogy's maybe they'll help, maybe they don't.. You can't play a game of chess without getting your pieces.. see?? The energy/the limitation = the pieces When we interact with each other it is really like Neo seeing "the matrix" code.. (episode 1 ) we sometimes exchange energy (green code) we sometimes give away some part of our code to another.. and sometimes we take their code with us..So here's the general idea see?? You have all this limitation and in this game the general goal is to overcome that.. rise above it Find that which excites you.. and seek it out Experience is the thing we take with us..In your getting limited/experience of the negative.. you may have given your energy to someone in a fight "about your dream to be a astronaut" (random example) you might have created a situation.. where someone created a belief "that their not worthy of others respect" etc. and in that exchange.. you took their energy.. If you ever had what we call a psychological habit.. a idea like arachnophobia or neurotic etc. most of these were created by people/through people.. for example my teacher says.. that people that have to wear glasses.. were yelled at a lot at a early age.. they had to learn to hear through there eyes.. and that's why they had eye damage in the first place.. they shutdown/closed off their ears do to all the yelling.. These are the types of games/ideas in play is my understanding.. there is no WRONG way to release this energy.. can be done with a therapist.. with the ego.. with a examination.. or a forgiveness of self/others My teacher teaches some methods on the clearing of this energy and the ideas about it.. and even a system of indentifying your energy vs. the worlds.. So let's see here what I missed from your question.. Last edited by themaster; 12-15-2009 at 05:25 PM. | |
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12-15-2009, 05:05 PM
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| choosing not to edit smiley's now realized as causing image error 15/17/20 What are the principles of energy dispersion and what is the conscious vs. unconscious ways of managing energy? Conscious way = see above conscious way #2 = Declare your space.. that's what my teacher teaches.. all of us have a field energy surrounding our bodies called the 'aura'.. my teacher teaches a idea called "the rose" and reigning that energy in.. declaring it you and the outside area he calls "theater" unconscious way = I guess if you can program yourself with optimism that would be my #1 recommendation.. it's my #1 recommendation with LOA or without what of backtracking to rectify pre-conscious energy spills? forgiveness/healing exercises should work for this.. forgive yourself.. forgive others.. release anger, hate, limitation.. not liking yourself.. (many of us have self worth issues.. it's readily readable.. by how we smile .. notice that at least I smile all the time virtually )
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