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Old 11-30-2009, 07:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I find myself wondering, is the world intended do be nice?
Frustratingly enough, I see quick fixes to all problems, but end up feeling like the robot in Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, smart but intended for simple tasks.

Is the universe/human experience a hostile experience?
Myself, I have endured hardship and I like to say that it builds character(/avatar?)
but in recent times the randomness of painful experiences seem not quite as elegant as before. Now its just cruel.
I am not sad or sorry or judgmental, but as faith would have it, I am able to see the system, but it seem to have an increasing amount of twists to it as the mechanics of it becomes obvious.

My question is, the powerful entity that is the original you, when the game becomes dull because of you (avatar) realizes/becomes aware of the system and is able to understand what comes next, will the real you:
a)Add a twist.
b)Help you out(not work against your wishes)
c)Do nothing
etc

Oh, and one more thing, are you able to have any realizations, growth or benefits of any kind without the co-operation of the real you?
Also, why is it easy to manifest enormous specific negative experiences, and so very hard to manifest positive ones?
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Old 11-30-2009, 08:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Is the universe/human experience a hostile experience?
My experience tells me that at the core of experience... is something that is far beyond (or perhaps before) words... but words like beauty, peace, and love point toward it.

Wiser men than me hold different opinions.

In one of Carlos Castaneda's books, Don Juan explains to him that the basic nature of the universe is predatory.

I have a hard time arguing with the wisdom of Don Juan, but we may be talking about different things.

I also like the idea that tough experiences build character... but the specifics of our definition of 'character' might become important here...

Pain seems to be universal... but it doesn't necessarily always become suffering (in the Buddhist sense)...

E.G. Some mothers consider the pain involved in pregnancy and labor to be a gift that allowed them to bring something beautiful into the world... other mothers hold it over their children's heads for the rest of their lives...
"I was in labor with you for 36 hours!"

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My question is, the powerful entity that is the original you, when the game becomes dull because of you (avatar) realizes/becomes aware of the system and is able to understand what comes next, will the real you:
a)Add a twist.
b)Help you out(not work against your wishes)
c)Do nothing
etc
  • On what level have the mechanics become obvious?
  • Have you nothing left to learn?
  • Is there another way you can look at it?
  • If there was, what would that be like?
  • Are you willing to enjoy experiencing the world in a different way?
From my personal experience, every time I think I have things all figured out, something new finds its way to me and turns the perceived universe on its ear.

I think the deeper aspects of you will support you in anything you sincerely decide to do (with energy, effort, and engagement).

You will find support in making the world a paradise... you can be a Personal Development genius like Steve or Tony Robbins... or you can be a spiritual genius like the Dalai Lama.

On the other hand, you can find support in creating Hell on Earth... you could fill the void left by Saddam Hussein.

I encourage towards the first path...


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Oh, and one more thing, are you able to have any realizations, growth or benefits of any kind without the co-operation of the real you?
Also, why is it easy to manifest enormous specific negative experiences, and so very hard to manifest positive ones?
Depends on what you mean by 'the real you'

People ususally don't accomplish much without rapport with their deeper mind (subconscious/unconscious/id/etc.)

I think the difference in simplicity of manifestation is a matter of perception.
  • You might not appreciate the majesty you have already manifested
  • For people practiced in their given field or area of life... it becomes difficult not to positively manifest what others would consider the impossible
  • What many people call 'negative experiences' or 'negative manifestations', I call learning experiences... or feedback
For example, I was practicing Karate once (maybe more than once)... and a very good friend punched me in the mouth...

He apologized profusely!

Through bleeding lips... I thanked him.

He had taught me a priceless lesson... don't block with your face!



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... end up feeling like the robot in Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, smart but intended for simple tasks.
There's nothing wrong with simple tasks... when you are really paying attention... they can be the most rewarding!

keep smiling,

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Old 11-30-2009, 09:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Your reality starts with your belief systems. I see all of creation is neutral and meaningless. This simply means that you create the meaning and each event can be seen as positive, neutral or negative, there is no inherent built-in meaning to the events around our life. There are many arguments you could throw at me but when you really think about it, all events can be seen as any of the above three and all of their different shades.
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My question is, the powerful entity that is the original you, when the game becomes dull because of you (avatar) realizes/becomes aware of the system and is able to understand what comes next, will the real you:
a)Add a twist.
b)Help you out(not work against your wishes)
c)Do nothing
etc
You're assuming that the "powerful entity" is somehow separate from you. That it has ideas and plans that you don't have or might not like. Is that really what you believe? If so, I'm not surprised that you have the experience of, essentially, being a pawn.

I'll tell you what "I" did when I started to see how things work. I decided it was time to start hacking the system and finding the cheat codes. But, then, I believe that there are cheat codes and that I can hack the system, so the cheats and hacks are appearing for me.

Frankly, I got fed up with the "suffering to build character" crap a long time ago and changed the game. I didn't realise at the time that this was what I was doing, but looking back, I can see that it's exactly what I did. Turns out there are much more interesting and pleasant ways to build character. Suffering is always optional.

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Oh, and one more thing, are you able to have any realizations, growth or benefits of any kind without the co-operation of the real you?
Again, you seem to think that "the real you" isn't really you, and that you're more or less at the mercy of some being capable of cruelty (and kindness? or just cruelty?). I'm thinking that's probably not a very helpful belief.

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Also, why is it easy to manifest enormous specific negative experiences, and so very hard to manifest positive ones?
Habit.
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:32 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Boy Howdy Abitofzen, Henri J, and OlderWiser - all good answers and great advise.
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:13 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I'll tell you what "I" did when I started to see how things work. I decided it was time to start hacking the system and finding the cheat codes. But, then, I believe that there are cheat codes and that I can hack the system, so the cheats and hacks are appearing for me.
Nice analogy I like it

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I find myself wondering, is the world intended do be nice?
According to my teacher.. neutral with a slight .01% to the positive.. after all we are a being of positive energy even if we created duality and negative

Is the universe/human experience a hostile experience?

No, Based on your question.. you seem to think so

But this is a high stakes limitation game.. and many of us our limited.. not all

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I am not sad or sorry or judgmental, but as faith would have it, I am able to see the system, but it seem to have an increasing amount of twists to it as the mechanics of it becomes obvious.
This is a statement of judgment and limitation!

You are just describing all the mud you got all over you when you came here.. many of us here refer to these ideas as beliefs and definitions.. all of them are optional and can be cleaned/removed

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My question is, the powerful entity that is the original you, when the game becomes dull because of you (avatar) realizes/becomes aware of the system and is able to understand what comes next, will the real you:
a)Add a twist.
b)Help you out(not work against your wishes)
c)Do nothing
etc
Answer is

d)We have 'free will' here the higher you responds only to your 'free will' choices and to any past agreements you made here including your soul blueprint/theme and requests by the oversoul

(understand so were clear.. because you have 'free will' you can also clear your past agreements, soul blueprint/theme and likely requests by the oversoul..)

Does that clear things up ??

I highly doubt it.. yours is a ego of why's, how's and slightly judgment to the negative.. that doesn't serve you

(and this is my judgment or neutral word.. my observation of your energy )

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Oh, and one more thing, are you able to have any realizations, growth or benefits of any kind without the co-operation of the real you?
This question doesn't really make sense.. you can't have this experience without being a part of or a copy of "allthatis"

Even though you look around your room and you say.. TV, computer, water bottle, speakers.. text, font.. bold!

I'm here to tell you.. it's all you baby!!!

Everything is you... and even the experience of limitation is you!!!! Even the most negative energy is you!!! You are surrounded by yourself!!!

So even though your neighbor, friend.. mom, lover, whatever.. may have a different perspective.. including myself.. we're all still you.. we are the same being.. we come from the one.. and while we may have created SEPERATION.. we may undo that creation one day is maybe my understanding

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Also, why is it easy to manifest enormous specific negative experiences, and so very hard to manifest positive ones?
This is a belief and a statement of limitation.. which is what I believe was pointed out above..

The reason you feel this way or can see it this way.. was to be here! was to allow yourself to take on a lot of negative mud.. the negative mud game is ending most likely within all our lifetimes.. you should dig in and swim to the bottom get the full experience of it if you want.. or you could choose.. no limitation, unlimitedness, focus, adventurous, creative, masterful, playful..

Your choice your life..

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So my experience is from start to end an experience completely under my control, but belief that creations of my consciousness hold power over me and forgetting my place of origin has led me to believe that to reclaim seemingly lost power I would have to fulfill certain tasks to achieve being that which I am now.
And all words and teachings inside my reality are simply answers to problems thought to be outside and different from me. And ultimately everything comes from thought and the belief that milestones have to be reached is me
building and word shipping idols representing thoughts that has crossed my mind?
And when all is said and done, puzzling out the reality is looking back observing situation based reaction over time and the continuity of such stretching into the future and labeling overcoming meaningless creations and at the same time creating a future based on what I think I have accomplished.
Then all is possible, time does not exist, I have nothing to overcome, creation is happening always right now and Is not only simple but natural, so it is just as "simple" as I think it is.
In fact there are no limits other then self imposed ones....

I must say, this model seems a little more user friendly
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