Everybodies purpose is Joy?

[ssandra]

I have been thinking about this and I think it would be an interesting disscusion point.

I think that everybody has the same purpose, which is Joy.

It does not mean that everybody will do the same, because not everybody will experience joy from the same things.

If I like working with animals, I might say that my life purpose is to relief animal suffering or something like that. Why? Because when I am working on it, I feel joy.
Or, I like working with art, being creative. I might say that my life purpose is creating art. Why? Because when I am doing that, I feel joy.

Ok... lets discuss... Everybodies life purpose is Joy. Or to Experience Joy in Life.

[Anagogy]

Without joy, life would be empty and meaningless.

So I would have to agree, joy is the main purpose.

[themaster]

Love actually.. not joy.. joy is on the lower vibrational scale (I believe) and technically are purpose is to explore ourselves.. both the light and the dark.. both the love and the disconnection in this universe

[CGF]

Joy....Good question...

Is joy not simply a state which by its own existence is interpretable? I read with some acceptance the statements above; yet question the true meaning of joy. Fear, greed or indeed love may be observed equally as important motivating states, yet viewed with less relevance, a consequence of negative ascendancies some may argue. I would infer the predisposition of existence is in essence the need to exist, thus the need to satisfy hunger and thirst a like.

Does this then emphasise a cognitive process, or state of mind determining existence or is this simply a result in which the physical need is a prerequisite of eternal drive? I’m unsure…

[themaster]

Wow, that is a hell of a lot of ego

I choose not to answer your question.. too much philosophy/intellectualizing of simple concepts

[ttt]

Then everybody's motive is joy, but in order to have purpose someone has to have given it, why- in order to experience joy. so everyone's purpose is to experience joy, because experiencing joy will fullfill the purpose and bring more joy?

[themaster]

If you want to know the purpose of life.. according to one of my teachers Bashar.. everything here is "neutral" (with a slight, slight edge to the positive)

The real question is.. do you want to take yourself into the negative? Do you want to experience lack, fear, disconnection, who am I not? Or do you want to experience truth, a return to what I am, connection etc.?

And here's the killer question.. If you had to choose.. would you choose to experience this life on the positive emotional scale (joy, love, happiness) everyday??

(a lot of us talk the talk.. but we don't always walk the walk)

[aggie]

well...if you look at it from a christian perspective:

yes we are to experience joy...in everything, even strife and trials and tribulations.

joy of living and joy in believing there is eternal life, if you are so inclined to believe.

so you could be joyful all the time, everyday...without just experiencing what would be defined as joyful or happy experiences.

what are the old cliches....if it hurts, you know you are alive. it feels good when i stop banging my head on the wall....

but in a way it is true...it is about joy of appreciating what you have at a particular instant, in the now, if you will.

i honestly find joy in getting through a particularly trying day, doing my job, accomplishing what i need to do.

light and joy and happiness everyday....killer question....yeah, could we humans actually stand to have joy all the time...or do we need the gauge of misery in our lives, something to gripe about...?

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by themaster

Love actually.. not joy.. joy is on the lower vibrational scale (I believe) and technically are purpose is to explore ourselves.. both the light and the dark.. both the love and the disconnection in this universe

The thing is... I can feel love without joy, but I cannot feel joy without love. For me this means that joy is higher vibrational than love. But I maybe different for other people??

[themaster]

You could be right.. after all I don't know that for 100% fact only a spiritual teacher with advanced information would be able to dissect which one is on higher on the vibrational scale.. then again maybe they all can be the same on a vibrational scale.. and the descriptions we use here on earth are just useless

I honestly don't care But I was repeating spiritual information the way I thought I heard it

[PerDev]

I think JOY is a tool, Bliss is the purpose.

Originally Posted by ssandra

I have been thinking about this and I think it would be an interesting disscusion point.

I think that everybody has the same purpose, which is Joy.

It does not mean that everybody will do the same, because not everybody will experience joy from the same things.

If I like working with animals, I might say that my life purpose is to relief animal suffering or something like that. Why? Because when I am working on it, I feel joy.
Or, I like working with art, being creative. I might say that my life purpose is creating art. Why? Because when I am doing that, I feel joy.

Ok... lets discuss... Everybodies life purpose is Joy. Or to Experience Joy in Life.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by themaster

You could be right.. after all I don't know that for 100% fact only a spiritual teacher with advanced information would be able to dissect which one is on higher on the vibrational scale.. then again maybe they all can be the same on a vibrational scale.. and the descriptions we use here on earth are just useless

I honestly don't care But I was repeating spiritual information the way I thought I heard it

According to Abraham Love, Joy, and Appreciation are all pretty much the same vibration.

Joy/Appreciation/Empowered/Freedom/Love
Passion
Enthusiasm/Eagerness/Happiness
Positive Expectation/Belief
Optimism
Hopefulness
Contentment
Boredom
Pessimism
Frustration/Irritation/Impatience
Overwhelment
Disappointment
Doubt
Worry
Blame
Discouragement
Anger
Revenge
Hatred/Rage
Jealousy
Insecurity/Guilt/Unworthiness
Fear/Grief/Depression/Despair/Powerlessness

[alsy]

Originally Posted by ssandra

The thing is... I can feel love without joy, but I cannot feel joy without love. For me this means that joy is higher vibrational than love. But I maybe different for other people??

Interesting you mention that. I have experienced something similar.
The OP title is pretty much an Abraham Hicks teaching. I have been undecided on weather it is a universal truth or not, and i do not necessarily think that everyone consciously wants joy. Some seem to think other things are high up on the scale, such as peace, or love. I think each one has its purpose, and guessing that perhaps some other specific aspects might just be part of their evolving , path or particular make up that requires love above joy, or whatever the aspect or case may be.

At least at this time, i think it is the highest purpose for me personally.

I think all these focus things are really just a "way" for creating thought, that creates whatever the emotional experience is that we are seeking.


One other perspective i would like to share is to look at it from an eastern energy perspective. ie the Chakra system, that views energy centers at different sections of the body.

As i remember it, the 2nd Chakra known as the Sacral energy center, is around about where the sexual (or slightly above) the sexual organs are. Among other things that apparently relates to joy. The sense i have had with that Chakra is the feeling of life, or life force. The Chinese philosophy model looks at an area very near to the 2nd Chakra (but may be slightly higher) as being the energy source point in the body. Those who know Qigong , and Tai Chi, will know what i am talking about. Interestingly, there is something remotely similar in the Pilates exercise system as focusing the "Core" point for that exercise system.

Without the life force, the bag of water and minerals would just return to the earth.

I am speculating an idea that perhaps full Joy is like the experience of life within ourselves as unimpeded flow, and in a way that every molecule is aligned in that same flow. In other words, there are no contradictions of any thoughts or beliefs in our alignment of the moment. All thought, feeling, and emotion is aligned in the same direction. Contrast that to something i have experienced in the past of trying to hold two contradictory ways at the same time. It was literally tearing me apart inside. It is completely unlike joy.
With joy however, everything seems in that moment, harmoniously aligned.

I hope that makes sense.

[GuideMySpirit]

Joy is on a higher level than love, at least unconditional love which is the highest type of love there is, from what I know. But Joy is for sure higher, its closer to enlightenment than love is.

You can love people unconditionally but it does not mean you will always be in Joy, so Joy is the next level that a person can attain in consciousness permanently. And there are a few levels after it...haven't you guys read Steve's article on this lol?

If everyone's purpose was Joy, what happens the level of Peace and Enlightenment? They can all be attained so I don't think Joy is the purpose in life at all, its just a state of being that you can attain, and keep going.

Levels of Consciousness

[Diandra25]

for me,i feel that my purpose is Love.

if I love,then there is nothing more absolute.all the rest is relative.

what is Higher than love really?

when you reach that level of knowing that we are all One,you will love all and everyone,cause you will be really ...loving yourself.other+s will mirror that vibracional state of unconditional love,back to you..

this is what it is,for me,the Purpose.

and if you look within,you will see that Love embraces everything...joy,bliss,happiness,peace,enlightment ,etc etc....you can infact feel joy but i think that joy is temporary....love is eternal.

[James81]

It sounds like that's your purpose.

Everybody has a different purpose though.

[DerekMB]

Originally Posted by alsy

Interesting you mention that. I have experienced something similar.
The OP title is pretty much an Abraham Hicks teaching. I have been undecided on weather it is a universal truth or not, and i do not necessarily think that everyone consciously wants joy. Some seem to think other things are high up on the scale, such as peace, or love. I think each one has its purpose, and guessing that perhaps some other specific aspects might just be part of their evolving , path or particular make up that requires love above joy, or whatever the aspect or case may be.

At least at this time, i think it is the highest purpose for me personally.

I think all these focus things are really just a "way" for creating thought, that creates whatever the emotional experience is that we are seeking.


One other perspective i would like to share is to look at it from an eastern energy perspective. ie the Chakra system, that views energy centers at different sections of the body.

As i remember it, the 2nd Chakra known as the Sacral energy center, is around about where the sexual (or slightly above) the sexual organs are. Among other things that apparently relates to joy. The sense i have had with that Chakra is the feeling of life, or life force. The Chinese philosophy model looks at an area very near to the 2nd Chakra (but may be slightly higher) as being the energy source point in the body. Those who know Qigong , and Tai Chi, will know what i am talking about. Interestingly, there is something remotely similar in the Pilates exercise system as focusing the "Core" point for that exercise system.

Without the life force, the bag of water and minerals would just return to the earth.

I am speculating an idea that perhaps full Joy is like the experience of life within ourselves as unimpeded flow, and in a way that every molecule is aligned in that same flow. In other words, there are no contradictions of any thoughts or beliefs in our alignment of the moment. All thought, feeling, and emotion is aligned in the same direction. Contrast that to something i have experienced in the past of trying to hold two contradictory ways at the same time. It was literally tearing me apart inside. It is completely unlike joy.
With joy however, everything seems in that moment, harmoniously aligned.

I hope that makes sense.

I like joy too. Never considered joy but in reading through the thread I realize it is something I have been working towards: Total Joy. Love has always scared me, especially the way people seem to demand it at times, being quick to bring it up. At least I can say I'm not ready for 'love' yet, and bliss is not my style, as that seems to relate more to ignorance. Joy though, that's something else I think entirely. More related to enlightenment. I imagine it like a spectrum. At one end of the spectrum is like the negative things in life, but its more like a path to walk or a description of one or things not to do. Things like hubris or ignorance - learned and unlearned - The goal is to move as far down the spectrum, towards the good things, as I can manage.

[yoopersmith]

This was the jist of "the message" from several sources...we are all here to be happy or joyful.

This doesn't mean that there is NOT sorrow and pain...you have to roll with those too...but the general outward purpose of all humanity seems to be working towards more JOY and learn to accept pain and sorrow with peace.

...not saying this is the truth mind you...just my point of view.

[Guru Shakti]

What a good conversation! I have to agree that Joy is such a wonderful state of being. We all want to feel Joyful! But, Love is a higher vibration! In our modern world few people allow themselves to ever get to the point in a relationship where they feel (true) Love!

We mistake that fluttering, excited feeling for Love. But, that excited feeling is really a very deep rooted fear. Once people get used to each other and begin to settle into the relationship, that is when the relationship begins to open to be in real love!

Unfortunately, no one teaches us this. We think, once the butterflies and fire works wear off. That means, we are falling out of love. But, the truth is, we were just getting ready to have real love for the first time.

So, Joy is wonderful! But, I believe that our true purpose in life, is to open to love, stay in our marriages, and discover what it means to really love another person. And of course, let the love bloom throughout your life!

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by Guru Shakti

Unfortunately, no one teaches us this. We think, once the butterflies and fire works wear off. That means, we are falling out of love. But, the truth is, we were just getting ready to have real love for the first time.

Welcome to the conversation. It has been very interesting to read everything so far.

I disagree with your assasment here though. I believe that everybody who at least participates in this conversation knows and feels the difference of being in love vs love.

Originally Posted by Guru Shakti

So, Joy is wonderful! But, I believe that our true purpose in life, is to open to love, stay in our marriages, and discover what it means to really love another person. And of course, let the love bloom throughout your life!

Why would you say the true purpose in life is to open to love, stay in marriages (i disagree with this one here btw ) and discover what it means to really love another person?

What do all these things make you feel.. ? I´m betting the answer is joy

And that is my point. It seems as all roads lead back to this one. I am not discounting love at all. I love love I think it is the greatest feeling there is. And yes, I believe that in a vibrational scale it probably can be higher or as high as joy. But I also believe that your passion, your purpose in life forms itself around joy, not love. People who love sports and make a living out of it do so because they feel the joy of doing so, not the love.

[young]

As subtle as it may seem, everybodies purpose is to find themselves.

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by young

As subtle as it may seem, everybodies purpose is to find themselves.

Which would lead to experiencing....? Joy!

[young]

Originally Posted by ssandra

Which would lead to experiencing....? Joy!

Yes. There is a joy that has no opposites.