Did Birth Happen To Us Or Did We Choose To Be Born?

[Free]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

LOL, the bolded part made me laugh. Now, who is being defensive here?

All I said was there was a lot of good evidence to support the idea of voluntary birth, because you said there was more evidence that we did not choose.

Please understand, I wasn't attacking you. I just wanted to see if you were aware of said evidence, and if you were, if you had a good explanation for why it was bad evidence as opposed to being good evidence. But, rather than addressing the evidence I pointed out, you decided to conclude that anyone who disagrees with you is "defensive" and has a "strong ego".

I mean, if you only want answers that agree with your beliefs, that's fine, but please post it in your thread. For example, "I don't believe we choose our birth, please, only people who agree with my beliefs post in this thread." Then you will get the answers you clearly want to hear. There is a difference between research and opinions, unless your research is only *ON* opinions, in which case, you should mention that more specifically. Some people base their opinions on evidence, rather than solely on their beliefs.

Best of luck.

-You are attacking the truth.
- I and we all should respect people's opinions as much as the opinion of the expert, if not more
- the name you or we choose influence our psychie.
bless you.

[Samuel Poon]

That was a good post Anagogy

[rei]

i agree with Samuel. wonderful post Anagogy and it seemed pretty non-offensive to me (offensive in terms of attack-and-defend; whether it comes across as insulting depends on how secure we feel in our view, which is personal and subjective - it didn't feel insulting to me but my beliefs are pretty flexible). i also didn't see any disrespectful content in that post.

there's a difference between 'truth' and beliefs/opinions. what's true for Joe may not be true for Sally. if a person is not inviting perspectives that go against that person's belief system, he or she should make it clear from the beginning that there is a single right answer implied.

if this planet is a reality of free will, that involves the notion of choice. to me, it's only logical that a sense of choice is also involved in circumstances of birth. just because some (not all) don't remember making the choice, that is not a valid reason to say it didn't happen.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Samuel Poon

That was a good post Anagogy

Originally Posted by rei

i agree with Samuel. wonderful post Anagogy and it seemed pretty non-offensive to me (offensive in terms of attack-and-defend; whether it comes across as insulting depends on how secure we feel in our view, which is personal and subjective - it didn't feel insulting to me but my beliefs are pretty flexible). i also didn't see any disrespectful content in that post.

there's a difference between 'truth' and beliefs/opinions. what's true for Joe may not be true for Sally. if a person is not inviting perspectives that go against that person's belief system, he or she should make it clear from the beginning that there is a single right answer implied.

if this planet is a reality of free will, that involves the notion of choice. to me, it's only logical that a sense of choice is also involved in circumstances of birth. just because some (not all) don't remember making the choice, that is not a valid reason to say it didn't happen.

Thanks guys, I appreciate your support.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by themaster

Well, let me put it to you this way.. we created this reality yes? (now you may not agree but that's okay.. just listen and see if you can resonate with this idea)

If we created this reality of limitation.. (it is limiting isn't it?? we have ideas of disconnection and connection?? (also called positive and negative.. and in this understanding let me say that Positive energy = integrative energy and negative energy = segregative) the limitation to that idea is the disconnection.. because when you think of unlimited/infinity these ideas sound shall I say beautiful.. unlimiting )

Then wouldn't it be useful to have a system to guide us through a game of limitation.. that's where EGS comes in.. to put it bluntly it's very simple..

As were poking around in the dark.. (which is where we really are.. in terms of all this reality out there ) what feels good is the direction of truth and light.. and what feels bad is in the direction of more darkness..

Just to clarify, we are just discussing feelings connected to inner beliefs yes? We're not discussing instinctual feelings in situations e.g. feeling fear (negative) when actually in a threatening situation? Why do we have beliefs? Are beliefs meant to be true or are they just to feel good. Are beliefs there to live accordingly? Personally I do not judge the truth of my beliefs because they feel good. It felt good to believe in Santa but it wasn't true. The truth can be positive or negative. There is no need to feel bad about negative truths if you feel good about yourself.

I know that sounds simple.. or stupid.. but that is the truth (or one of them from my understanding )

It cannot be false if you believe that.. if you believe that you are a "human being with limited capabilities" then that is true for your reality..

However I'm suggesting this idea to you..
I am positive that I am a human being with unlimited capabilities

Maybe we have different ideas on what limits we have? I see limits such as 'we can't fly' 'we can't walk on water' 'we cannot run at 100kph' 'we cannot survive without food and water' etc. What "unlimited capabilities" do you have that makes you so positive?

Maybe you can even sense here.. how I took your negative statement and just made it a positive one.. you tell me your reading this.. when you read this statement did you feel good.. did you feel a jolt of the positive?
Then why don't you evolve spiritually?? I'm suggesting a positive mindset.. a optimist.. I'm suggesting a unlimiting mindset?? not one where we tell ourselves.. were small, stupid and petty.. obviously..

Where did you get that idea that we are not small, stupid and petty? It's when we wake up and see that we are that we know we are growing spiritually.

I'm suggesting as a spiritual being you open up to ideas of unlimitedness...

Survival?? what has that got to do with it?? that is a mindset of old?? that is a mindset of fear?? the very word survival means.. I have no control over my life, reality etc.. I live a fear based existence.. cause any second I can be hit by a bus, killed by a virus of mass extinction, some murder can break into my home with a gun.. bam I'm dead..

WOW! Where did all that come from? Your mind is certainly active. I'm only looking at the basics of food, clothes and shelter which is common for us all.

That very mindset as you have noticed is being weaned off the world piece by piece.. it's not gone.. just currently losing more coherency

Here is some unlimited ideas for you.. maybe you'll note they feel good.. (maybe you just can't feel your that numb.. or maybe your really do believe this crap and by creating those beliefs your reality cannot be changed.. I'm not yet a expert on beliefs in my own reality.. )

What if death isn't really that bad?
What if we return to the game starting place when we die?
What if this is a high based limitation game and we do collect $200 when we die and pass GO?
What if fear of death is not a good way to live your life and you are surrounded by fears of it.. everywhere?

Fearing death is not a good way to live but we need this fear. It's a basic instinct. The rest will always be 'what if's'.

Understand that the word survival says to me.. you think we're all just animals.. and that when the power goes off the people will take to the streets and kill each other in movies like.. "The Stand" "The Road Warrior" countless others.. I say we won't..

Have you read 'The Way of the Peaceful Warrior?" I have a mindset more on this story line.

My statement reads neutral and observational.. that is the place I wrote it from and I would think some others would see it that way too.. but I will apologize you see I meant no offense.. If I say I love you.. will that make you feel better? Cause I do

I don't take anything personal. Should I have?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by themaster

I've seen at least one scientist working on it.. (there's probably more) in the videos called "The 5th Dimension" (since I keep the videos on my hard drive.. (I do believe) I can look up his name if you really want)

But really if you spend 50 seconds googling you probably find the terms "past life scientist" will give you lots of credible or close to it information.. you seem this is technically "Fringe" science.. meaning it can't be figured out and few work in that field.. cause it's consider laughable but there is truth out there if you want to find it..

But let me ask you a real question again.. and I didn't get a answer..

How can you personally account for 100% of the tales as being all lies?
Could you again not admit that at a minimum there is a 1% truth?
How many millions or billions of tales will it take to justify your disbelief?

Now you can simply say... hey I don't know - statement = neutral

But you could try this positive viewpoint

wow there's so many tales and so much research out there, there must be some truth in there somewhere... - statement = positive

I do think there is a truth in there but I don't presume to know what it is and close the door to other possibilities. The glaring truth I see is how awesome the mind is.

It is not my intention in this thread to have a argument Maguru, it is my intention to help you see the limitation statements you are making.. if this does not help there is no need to continue this conversation.. I would happily disengage

My only intention is to have a lively, intelligent discussion. It makes my day. I don't know you well enough to argue and win, so I don't bother with arguing.

[Free]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

But some people *DO* have memories of choosing these things. Have you read any literature on life between lives regressive hypnosis?

Check out books by Michael Newton, the breadth and consistency among his subjects is amazing, and suggests that we do, in fact, choose the circumstances of our birth. Read those books, and see if you can tell me, in all honesty, that that material was fabricated.

There is a ridiculous amount of good evidence supporting voluntary reincarnation if anyone cares to do the research.

Best regards.

if it were a choice everyone would choose to be extreemly handsome, prety and good looking; but in our reality there is extreem beauty but there is also average.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Free

if it were a choice everyone would choose to be extreemly handsome, prety and good looking; but in our reality there is extreem beauty but there is also average.

You are assuming everyone thinks the same way you do, and desires the same. In fact, this is most emphatically not the case. Especially when dealing with points of consciousness on the ethereal plane. On the spirit plane, one can look any way one desires. We had that there -- we came here for something different.

Souls physically incarnate for the spiritual challenges life offers, not to live a fantasy life where everything is perfect. This world was not intended to be perfectly evolved. If it was, there would be no spiritual evolution. However, even though Earth may not be perfectly evolved, it *IS* perfectly formulated for the purpose it was intended to serve, which is spiritual growth.

You see, it's the growth souls come here for. In perfection, there can be NO growth. Thus, we incarnate with challenges. We are ascendant beings, we come here to experience the beauty of spiritual expansion.

Also, remember that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[vartann]

What if this is a high based limitation game and we do collect $200 when we die and pass GO?

hey hey, no way, i am not giving up my life for less than US$ 1 billion ... i'll stick around here won't return to the Source before being RICH and able to show off out there