Truth?

[Uplift]

Stoked!!! According to 'The Secret' and heaps and heaps of like Spiritually based teachings, all we have to do is be clear and identify what we wish to change, then use our unique imaginations and minds to create and picture our desired outcome. With faith in our true nature and Spirit, our Truth, we then pour ourselves carefully into our dream, our vision, checking along the way that we stay focused and on target. We then give our full attention and action to the situations Spirit presents us, co creating the desired outcome. We get to marvel at, enjoy, and be inspired by the amazing ride, and finally be stoked beyond our wildest dreams by the awesome outcomes. All these type of teachings tell us its that simple, anyone can do it, be a master at it, now! My point has been, why promote teachings like 'The Secret' and Unlimited Bliss and Oneness, declare it is our reality, and then claim we are helpless to do anything, and must accept our fate because it is reality. Why try and change a situation, then say it is impossible, and that the situation is a law that must exsist or else? If one dart aims at target it has a good chance of hitting it, if a million darts aim, one is bound to hit it, as long as they are thrown. What would stop us trying? Probably fear of failure. What if...

[ethereal]

Because the easiest way to help end suffering and raise the world's consciousness is to raise your own consciousness, and by doing so you automatically raise mankind's consciousness.

Yes, we can try visualizing world peace all day long, but it must be put into the right context of raising consciousness rather than manifesting a certain outcome. Let's just say, there's not much "power" behind visualization and I-M when our unconscious minds (karma) are cluttered with negative thoughts/lessons that we have not yet learned or undone. We automatically intend/create negativity even though we are consciously thinking of positivity. It's like how one of the cast members of The Secret saying something to the effect of "what you think is positive thinking, is actually 5% positive thinking covering up 95% of negative thinking." It then makes sense to first work on ourselves before we work on the world, yeah?

There are various levels of truth, and you must live by the level you are currently at. At the very highest levels, yes we are all One and there is Unlimited Bliss. That however, is of the realm of the Avatars (Jesus, Buddha, Krishna) and beyond. Even then, those Avatars could not create whatever reality they want for everybody (for that would be violating free will of others), it was more like, they were a channel of God's Divine Will that "allowed" certain miracles to be done, according to karma and intention/faith (of everybody involved). We don't have a choice in creating them, as in "I want world peace and cessation of suffering, God -- make it so!"

We are changing our reality right now, every second. Each loving thought we have uplifts the whole universe, each negative one lowers universal karma. And each of us are working at raising our own consciousness, that's why we're here While wanting to change the world is a noble desire, it is still a desire nonetheless, born out of "wantingness" and rejection/denouncement of suffering, rather than out of love and compassion.

Hope this explains my views more clearly, I'm sorry I didn't clarify earlier. Many of the New Age spirituality teachings conveniently leave many of these concepts out.

[Uplift]

Ethereal, Ethereal, Ethereal, you just created your own outcome. Its imbedded in print. Your deepest limits and beliefs are your truth, your secret. The same with all of us, you can't fool yourself. You choose to make simplicity extremely complex, beyond the reach of most. Then you say Avatars and the like are above and beyond, yet simultaneously you know their desires, intentions and (that word again) limits. Even after you said you wouldn't say anything. Its your choice to change and control your mind or let it rule you. Spirit simply says we all have that choice, unlimited power and unlimited imaginations.

[Kiba]

Originally Posted by Uplift

By the way, Bill gates defied his teachers. Now he's the worlds richest man, who has virtually linked the whole planet. Anyone anywhere can have access to things like 'the secret'. He also donates more to ending suffering than any government anywhere. Then he met this guy Warren Buffet, and they formed this foundation... it's amazing, miraculous, awe inspiring. Lucky he ignored his teachers.

His company is something to be despised by a lot of computer geeks. We don't like their anti-competivtive practice, the inclusion of DRM in Window Vista, among other things. It is not a company that I would admire.

I don't like how he gain his wealth. I do, however like somewhat he do with it.

I admire hackers like Richard M Stallman who formed an entire movement dedicated to freedom for software users and developers everywhere. They may not be an example of rich boy, but they are certainally powerful human beings(As in their technical prowness) who decided to do good things.

I never stand for those who crack computers unethically(genrally being evil) and run botnet captured from innoccent users and even dared to called themsleves hackers.

[Uplift]

This morning I visualised a new school, with a whole new eduction system. Happy, stoked kids everywhere, confident and sure of themseves, inspiring each other, sharing creations. I was talking to the teachers about how amazing it is and you could feel their fulfillment. I won't say it was easy, with my ingrained ideas of the education system and our societies 'norms', but practise makes perfect.

[Uplift]

Tomorrows visualisation is a bit more imaginative (I hope). Something along the lines of a Middle Eastern girl, who attends an incredible new school in Sydney's western suburbs, winning a contract for a direct powered solar panel she invented, which does away with batteries. Due to overwhelming public demand, Prime Minister John Howard, and the visiting George Bush are spending two days at the school to gain first hand experience in the school's teaching methods, which are based on 'The secret style teachings. I will use a lot more light heartedness and sensory input than I did today. (This is not to say that I won't continue to work on my own individual meditation and visualisations.)

[Uplift]

Amazing things happen! Since starting all this, amazing answers and directions are taking shape, and I'm writing this because I'm feeling really inspired, and grateful to anyone involved in this thread, and for this website. I noticed a post by Indy 107 in Intention-Manifestation (Awesome Video Lecture - IM), and ended up getting the DVD, plus another one called The Biology of Perception/The Physchology of Change... Piecing it all together. These really clicked with me, really got me fired up, helped me get a clear direction. Now I'm off to a workshop called PSYCH-K and I can envisage an awesome way for children to learn, that is fun, engaging, creative, exciting and result producing for them. Anyway, growth is occurring, answers are appearing, change is happening, in me, and where it leads...I love imagining it!!

[Glass Joe]

Way to be, Uplift. That's great!

I'm also glad to have joined these forums when I did.

[Melanie Peace]

Uplift - you have really hit the nail on the head. I HEAR you 1000%.

I have no answers; only the same questions as you.

I am a survivor of horror, as are many, I do not see this as a uniqueness (obviously it is not) - but I question the limits and the whys....

I agree with you - my heart hears you and I wonder all the same things. I have spent a lot of my life trying to read myself *better* - act myself better - shake off the horror - heal. So far - nothing has really worked and I've been at it for about 30 years.

Melanie

[Melanie Peace]

Uplift said:
I 've already said I've got my answer. We have suffering because some people want it. It's obvious. Look at the answers explaining, debating, reasoning, arguing, and even proving why we have to have it. Never once saying no we don't want it, its possible to have bliss and non suffering. Is it such a horrible state to imagine.
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I didn't WANT suffering. SHEESH. That is not an answer to any of this!

I said NO I DON'T want it - No I didn't want it.

I did NOT *bring it onto myself*.

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by Melanie Peace

Uplift said:
I 've already said I've got my answer. We have suffering because some people want it. It's obvious. Look at the answers explaining, debating, reasoning, arguing, and even proving why we have to have it. Never once saying no we don't want it, its possible to have bliss and non suffering. Is it such a horrible state to imagine.
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I didn't WANT suffering. SHEESH. That is not an answer to any of this!

I said NO I DON'T want it - No I didn't want it.

I did NOT *bring it onto myself*.

If you don't agree with Uplift, clearly you're pro-suffering. If you do, then everyone can be happy and blissful.

[AgentSully]

I struggle with all the questions of why there is suffering in the world. I think maybe we just can't comprehend how short our lives are on earth are and that our suffering while heavy and even horrific for some is Temporary.

I think the bigger question we all want answered is "Does God really exist?" We want to surrender to him, but our skeptical, analytical minds keep us from doing so.

Anyhow, to add a breath of perspective, take a look at this video on YouTube about a young girl who has created masterful paintings of God and claims to have seen God, Jesus and Heaven. She comes from an Atheist family. Maybe this happened to her to give some us the proof we need.

YouTube - CNN Report: Child Prodigy

I'll try to put the video right here. I don't know if it will work:
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Good luck to all on your paths and those who are suffering may you find healing and comfort.

Life Learning Today

[Liara Covert]

Hi Melanie Peace.

You may be interested in a book called, "A Spiritual Solution to Every Problem" by Wayne W. Dyer.

Dyer says, "We have been trained to think in terms of sin and punishment. These ideas disempower us by stressing that we are weak and wrong. The empowering way is to view trials as lessons and opportunities to choose differently [next time.] We can transcend the odious notion of being sinners cloaked in guilt, awaiting punishment. To access a spiritual solution to a problem involves focusing on the idea of a solution."

[Uplift]

Hi Melanie Peace, sorry you are in pain, and sorry you were hurt. It's not your fault, not one fraction, don't ever, ever doubt it. Unless you consider existing being a fault. All I know is that I believe in Spirit or God, that is behind any possibility or creation or whatever. Whats left when anything, or everything is removed. No - thing before even the remotest idea of humanness...that anything springs from. All equal, never ending, every iota good, fearless untouchable, unshakable, self sustaining good. I believe that is our real nature, and have had experiences to make it more than just a belief based on faith. I believe that is our and anything's deepest true nature...non suffering, painless. And the gift or creation is freedom of the image, the particle, free choice to each infinite particle. Maybe anyway, because that bit I don't know, I'm still searching. But this is fact. Everyone has a choice, every instant. Look at all these posts. Fact... some people accept, argue for, fall into line for, even champion and parade themselves as experts on suffering, in writing. Thats why it exists. Some people let it. It's a con job. Karma, a paedophiles dream come true... 'hello little girl or boy, have you ever heard of a magic, special thing called karma. Let me teach you, it will be our little secret, our little spiritual lesson'. I asked this question because I see 'Spiritual?' people making counter Spiritual choices. Jesus says don't kill or harm, love thy neighbour, and christians get sucked into killing in God's name. Buddha freaks about insects being harmed, laments how he cannot rest while even insects suffer, and some con man turns it into karma, bushido, kamakasi, and sends buddhists into a frenzy dying and killing for Buddha. Spiritual whatevers rant about all equal, all loving, knowing, powerful, indescribable bliss, that is our reality, that we are a part of, and then accept, and explain (choosing) pain and suffering. You got stitched up because our culture accepts, and allows it. I'm serious, imagine a culture with totally different values, teaching methods, beliefs, and aims. Where non suffering was championed, extremely important. For some it's just easier not to. Just like it was easier to go along with hitler's ideals. One guy overpowers how many? Bottom line Melanie Peace. You made it, you are still here. For now, you have to love yourself, you have to save yourself. Society is too busy watching the grammy's and reading about karma. I've done that many courses, meditations, read books, prayed, visualised, talked to gurus, avatars, grovelled, begged, argued and finally realised even though it's not my fault, even though I was just an innocent little squirt of a kid, that the abuse caused patterns, scars, to form in my thinking. Just like someone who had fantastic things happen at that age, and sees life through different patterns and eyes. There's no other way other than for me to change the patterns. I'm Spirit. So are you. And the exciting thing is all of my other attempts have taught me heaps and heaps, and given some amazing outcomes, but have missed the mark as far as dealing with the scars of abuse. This PHSYC-K thing could be the one element needed to make the changes work. I hope so, I'll know in the next month or so when I do the course. But initially the Bruce Lipton and Rob Williams material is really interesting and encouraging... no exciting and inspiring. Please have a look Melanie Peace. You deserve healing, every little innocent kid does. A decent society would never let what happened to you happen. You are innocent. You are strong, or you wouldn't be here. You made it, all on your own, just a kid, all on your own. Good luck, my deepest, most sincere thoughts and prayers and Spirit to to you. But you don't need it, honestly, it's all inside you, it is you. Look at you. Be amazed at you. Scars can't hide you. Honour them, they served you well, kept you going, got you here, no one else did. Then let them go, no more pain.

[Uplift]

Hi Melanie Peace, sorry you are in pain, and sorry you were hurt. It's not your fault, not one fraction, don't ever, ever doubt it. Unless you consider existing being a fault. All I know is that I believe in Spirit or God, that is behind any possibility or creation or whatever. Whats left when anything, or everything is removed. No - thing before even the remotest idea of humanness...that anything springs from. All equal, never ending, every iota good, fearless untouchable, unshakable, self sustaining good. I believe that is our real nature, and have had experiences to make it more than just a belief based on faith. I believe that is our and anything's deepest true nature...non suffering, painless. And the gift or creation is freedom of the image, the particle, free choice to each infinite particle. Maybe anyway, because that bit I don't know, I'm still searching. But this is fact. Everyone has a choice, every instant. Look at all these posts. Fact... some people accept, argue for, fall into line for, even champion and parade themselves as experts on suffering, in writing. Thats why it exists. Some people let it. It's a con job. Karma, a paedophiles dream come true... 'hello little girl or boy, have you ever heard of a magic, special thing called karma. Let me teach you, it will be our little secret, our little spiritual lesson'. I asked this question because I see 'Spiritual?' people making counter Spiritual choices. Jesus says don't kill or harm, love thy neighbour, and christians get sucked into killing in God's name. Buddha freaks about insects being harmed, laments how he cannot rest while even insects suffer, and some con man turns it into karma, bushido, kamakasi, and sends buddhists into a frenzy dying and killing for Buddha. Spiritual whatevers rant about all equal, all loving, knowing, powerful, indescribable bliss, that is our reality, that we are a part of, and then accept, and explain (choosing) pain and suffering. You got stitched up because our culture accepts, and allows it. I'm serious, imagine a culture with totally different values, teaching methods, beliefs, and aims. Where non suffering was championed, extremely important. For some it's just easier not to. Just like it was easier to go along with hitler's ideals. One guy overpowers how many? Bottom line Melanie Peace. You made it, you are still here. For now, you have to love yourself, you have to save yourself. Society is too busy watching the grammy's and reading about karma. I've done that many courses, meditations, read books, prayed, visualised, talked to gurus, avatars, grovelled, begged, argued and finally realised even though it's not my fault, even though I was just an innocent little squirt of a kid, that the abuse caused patterns, scars, to form in my thinking. Just like someone who had fantastic things happen at that age, and sees life through different patterns and eyes. There's no other way other than for me to change the patterns. I'm Spirit. So are you. And the exciting thing is all of my other attempts have taught me heaps and heaps, and given some amazing outcomes, but have missed the mark as far as dealing with the scars of abuse. This PHSYC-K thing could be the one element needed to make the changes work. I hope so, I'll know in the next month or so when I do the course. But initially the Bruce Lipton and Rob Williams material is really interesting and encouraging... no exciting and inspiring. Please have a look Melanie Peace. You deserve healing, every little innocent kid does. A decent society would never let what happened to you happen. You are innocent. You are strong, or you wouldn't be here. You made it, all on your own, just a kid, all on your own. Good luck, my deepest, most sincere thoughts and prayers and Spirit to to you. But you don't need it, honestly, it's all inside you, it is you. Look at you. Be amazed at you. Scars can't hide you. Honour them, they served you well, kept you going, got you here, no one else did. Then let them go, no more pain.